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09-08-13 22:27 #12848
Posts: 154All this writing reminds me of my experience with a girl I took-out of Arena. Her name was Irina, and she was (20) and beautiful dark-hair.
But man, I had the worse experience with her. She was mad throughout the whole 2hr session. And she said, if I wanted her to stay, it would cost 1000usd for the whole day. The worst part is that when we were about to have sex. She told me she was a lesbian and couldn't do it; after I had already paid! I called her out on it. She then quieted down, but after wasting 90minutes arguing in the nude. She did give me bareback BJ, which wasn't bad. She also gave me herpes: type-1. I lucked out on not catching the second strain.
So, out of curiosity, would any of you have paid her the thousand?
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09-08-13 17:52 #12847
Posts: 558Thanks for the detailed and informative report.
Perhaps because I've been away from this forum for a while, I had never thought of Cyprus as a p4p destination. Just didn't know the scene existed.
What I knew was that Cyrus was one of the popular destinations for Ukrainians. Indeed, I was invited by the Ukrainian girl I took to Moldives in 2011 to join her and her friend on vacation in Cyrus for 3 weeks this past May, but because I was about to leave for Asia at that time, I had to pass.
I have to wonder similar scenes exist in the Med coast of Turkey where Ukrainians frequent because a beach vacation with night time thrills sounds great to me.
Glad to be back here to prep for my upcoming trip to Kiev for the first time in over a year.
Originally Posted by LilJoey [View Original Post]
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09-08-13 09:53 #12846
Posts: 95Interesting points you made AColonizer
AColonizer,
I think what you're talking about and the word you are searching for in English is "sucker". You are essentially telling everyone don't be a sucker. P. T. Barnum once said (mind you I'm paraphrasing) there is a sucker born every minute and there is some truth to that.
With regards to respect, men must respect the limits and prices a girl asks for. We have the option to move on if we don't like her price or the service she provides. I mean how does the old saying go,"Fool me once shame on you, fool me twice shame on me."
If a girl gives bad service, let the free market work itself out, eventually the girl who continues to give bad service will not have repeat clients.
The girls who give clients good service will get more clients.
If the girl who gives bad service wants to continue to compete in the market, she eventually will have to step her game up or move to a place where people don't know her reputation.
I disagree with you with regards to your complaining about consumer rights in relation to prostitution. There are laws in place to protect these women from violence. Violent pimps (most pimps are male) , violent clients and other criminal elements. Read Iceberg Slim's book and I sure your view will change.
Many of the Temperance movements in Britain and in the US were aimed at stopping men from drinking. Why? Men were beating the hell out of their wives when they came home from the pubs and they were savagely beating prostitutes. Jack the Ripper wasn't killing well to do, upper class women, he was killing prostitutes in the East end (White Chapel) for Christ sakes.
Laws are not created in vacuum there usually is a historical precedence and context of how and why we have the laws that we have.
A "decent society" is normally judged on how it protects the weak from the strong, the few from the many, those who do not have, from those who have much.
Therefore, we will always have laws protecting women who are in this very old and I would say noble trade. Let's face it, we men need this trade to flourish or we would be even more savage than we already are.
With regards to women asking too much, it"s all about relative value. What might be too expensive for you or me, could be completely reasonable to some else and they are willing to pay the price.
I agree that in relation to monthly wages, the cost of living in many East European countries the asking prices of some of these girls have certainly got out of hand. You do make a very valid point and observation there. Having said that, I would say if these girls live in the capital city, the cost of living is borderline criminal and insane.
Clement you make some bang on observations. Sometimes it's just easier and less of a headache to just pay for it. No feelings, no broken hearts, just sex with a beautiful woman.
Interesting post AColonizer. Thanks for sharing your thoughts, you definitely have a different way of thinking of things.
Cheers,
Slavophile
Originally Posted by AColonizer [View Original Post]
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09-08-13 01:03 #12845
Posts: 1233Originally Posted by Starchild2012 [View Original Post]
Barba
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09-08-13 00:54 #12844
Posts: 1233Originally Posted by CanadianBoy [View Original Post]
Nope, never been to Lugansk.
Just came back from Kiev and Kharkov. Great fun as always. Indigo and Caribbean is two fun clubs that I can recommend.
CB, let us hook up when you arrive in Kiev. I go there more or less every month.
B
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09-07-13 21:04 #12843
Posts: 69Kiev 11-13 October
My PM system is working and I got a flight for Kiev. So PM if you like to hook up, or have some nice girls that you think I like to meet.
With best regards.
OwaRunner
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09-07-13 16:31 #12842
Posts: 50Sex is money
Ofcause money matters. It is the driving forve behind all. But I just say please do not think all girls are like this, cause they are not. It is too not the point being made in the post I replied too
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09-07-13 13:29 #12841
Posts: 1178We almost wrote the same matter, I could say we wrote the same post. Except for one word: respect.
I am usually a very loyalty and respectful man and I know what is the difference between the feeling called respect and the conformism called respect. And in the specific matter of P4P, unfortunately I always realize "more respect for a sex provider" always means "more fierce is her bargaining". Maybe we are talking of two different words, but the result of that so-called "respect" is always the same: be the loser in the P4P game. Most men don't realize that because they don't rationalize their P4P game into a material profit. But women do that for natural instinct.
Sure you are a good monger. Sure I am not good as you. But I would like to do something more. I try to avoid Eastern girls become as Western girls because Western men don't realize 100$/first hour is pure madness. I repeat, again and again, what my first super Ukrainian prostitute said to me years ago (already) she was paid according the time and not according the service, and in that working time she had to do everything a customer / a group of customers wants / want: she was just an object in the hands of unknown people, and she agreed that, knowingly. This was the real system of Soviet prostitution with Slavic customers. In fact, when Slavic prostitutes come to Western countries, the sex and the men are so mild as much as their work becomes also a pleasure, and even Slavic prostitutes find men willing to pay any amount: what a woman can ask more?
Therefore, I wonder:
- a Western man should be glad to pay money for a good sex, why there is no prostitute glad to refund money when the sex is less than usual? Maybe the so-called "respect" works into one only direction?
- why in Western countries the Law protects prostitutes (and their managers) and doesn't protect the customers (and their right to a good service without cheating)? Western governments have respect for their own taxpayers?
My friend, I never see respect in the real world, I always see a battle between winners and losers.
Originally Posted by Clement Mic [View Original Post]
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09-07-13 13:19 #12840
Posts: 72I am not degrading women at all, it is just the way of life, it is human being.
And I didn't talk only about money! I said they all want something!
It can be your time, money, gifts, support.
It depends on the woman, and how you talk to her, but they all want something!
I respect women, but that is just the truth.
And if you think that it is not the truth, then you better look around again, take time to think and you will see I am only right.
Most the women I had in my life are freebies, I had long and short relationships, so I know what I am talking about.
And I am a good looking man, it is easy for me to get girls especially in Ukraine.
But sometimes it feels great to just pay for sex, and avoid all the troubles.
In bad situations, a girl can easily break up with you or let you down.
But when you have money, and everything is made easier, you are all in a comfortable situation, it happen less.
So at the end, money matters a lot. As sad as it is, money matters even more than your brain (to get women).
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09-07-13 12:35 #12839
Posts: 47Originally Posted by El Cubanito [View Original Post]
Just wondering about your comment on Dniprotrovesk, I will be there at the end of this month I would be greatful if you could expand and share and advise any tips to pick up places and p4p!
Thanks
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09-07-13 12:29 #12838
Posts: 47Originally Posted by Danish Traveler [View Original Post]
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09-07-13 12:05 #12837
Posts: 434Originally Posted by Danish Traveler [View Original Post]
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09-07-13 10:43 #12836
Posts: 50Could we please stop writing such degrading words about women. First of they are not true. At all Clement Mic and other who written similar before. Women come in a lot of different forms. And most women, most women in Ukraine too, can not be bought with anything. Second reason you should stop writting such bullshit is. That most people on this forum love women. Not just to have sex with them, but we love flirting and being with them too. They have another perspective on things than us men. Now go and wash your mouth with soap.
And I do not mind sex with money at all. It is perfectly ok. But please do not think all girls in Ukraine can be bought. Only a few percentage are avialable. Like women everywhere, most ukrainian girls look for love and lasting relationships. Not all, ofcause.
Treat girls here with respect and understand their culture. And believe me you can have the hottest girls in Ukraine.
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09-06-13 22:38 #12835
Posts: 72All women in this world want something from you, and that is sure!
If you think she is with you only because she has feelings for you, then you are totally wrong.
They all want everything from us, it can be money, safety, child, marriage.
But a girl will suck you dry until you have none, they will do everything to change you and make you her puppet.
No girl will stay with you only because she has feelings for you or whatever.
Ukrainian girls just care a little bit less about materials, because they have been living all their life in Ukraine, and they are not like our western girls who need this and that.
But marry to an Ukraine girl, then bring her to your country and see her changing in less than a year for sure!
That is why these days I think paying for pussy and getting what you paid for thats it, is not so bad!
Most people saying paying to get sex is weak don't know what they are talking about.
Most men with a girlfriend, meet her many times, offer her gifts, and then maybe sex, so whats the difference.
All girls want everything from you, and thats it, a working girl or not.
So I respect working girls, because at least they give the exact prices and do not play with us!
It is just the human nature, we are all greedy.
But a real man got to have his game right, and pay the less possible, or spend the less possible time with a girl to get what he wants, sex.
That become easier and easier with experience, it is all about methods.
Sex is really like a contract, you need to use your skills as much as possible to get it signed!
Or you just pay and thats it.
I used to only have sex with freebies and few p4p.
But these days I like p4p more than I used to.
Also p4p can take care of your * better than a regular girlfriend sometimes.
And that come from a man who get easy pussy and fucked a ton of beautiful Russian girls
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09-06-13 15:06 #12834
Posts: 1178Hello,
I sometimes come back here and I read the same or worse purposes. I choice this post just because it is the first one I read in Ukraine thread. The question is always the same and it concerns all aspects of life: women, jobs, governments, religions, etc. I try, again, to rationalize this matter and to avoid all our efforts are ephemeral as the beers in a pub.
If a man wants or can have sex in exchanging of money, then he finds that only. If a man wants or can pay huge prices for P4P, then he pays that only. And P4P means any relationship between a man and a woman through which a man gets something by a woman in exchanging of something else, and vice versa: the Latin said "do ut des". There are very few relationships in human relationships through which there is no a material exchange, such as cash, cock, children, or prostitution, fuckingfriendship, marriage. Who is looking for a real feeling or something transcendental, then he will be always sorrowful to never find that.
Any human relationship is subjected an implicit or an explicit bargaining. If a man has to pay huge prices for a prostitute or a girlfriend or a wife, then that merely means he has no or very small bargaining skill. Therefore he shouldn't be glad to pay huge prices even for a fantastic woman, because he shows he is a very weak man.
Originally Posted by Uoykucf [View Original Post]