Kyiv

[LuisVega11]

I have read last report and my jaw drop.

Is easy to understand why foreigners AR left with the garbage in Kiev and ugly pussy for 100 and more dollar.

- first 400 450 gryvna are paid by local for ugly girl. Certainly I won't go to Kiev to fuck any of this. Check: http://www.kiev-x.in/viewforum.php?id=1 and see what locals fuck for 500 1000 range gryvna.

- in Kiev three things count:

1- Money.

2-Game.

3-Aspect.

If you luck 2 3 you need tons of money to fuck nice girl, and for nice I 'm not talking about what some posts have shown in photos recently. Girl I would not even call 6 in Kiev. 7-8 are top model in my country or USA. 9-10 are girl you cannot find in other country. Those 7-8 in any western country in Kiev are barely 6,5. So when somebody write I fucked a 9 for 2000 gryvna it means is meter of judgement is pretty low and is 9 is a 6 maximum 7.

Forget top model, instagril, the best in Kiev. Most of them will laugh at you even for 100 dollar hours. They earn 10000 dollar month minimum from various sponsor travel etc. They not care of your 100 dollar.

- going to Kiev to deal with prostitute is totally useless. That nobody still as understood this is out of my mind, to succeed in Kiev need great daytime, something special the girl will value, be present often. And have the capability of spending money.

- as somebody said if you not succeed to fuck in your country regularly in Kiev you won't fuck any girl worth a trip. Sure you can fuck ugly girl, like most Turkish do nowadays. But is it worth? With 1500 euro you can fuck at home 8 hours for 200 hour and I'm sure better escort than Kiev.

[Member #4722]

Spent some time at the Atlas Weekend festival there were so many beautiful girls there. Whoever says the beautiful women have left Ukraine is crazy. I think there are about 100,000 people there about 30% of which are very attractive women. This is probably for the younger crowd but for me in 40's I did meet some nice girls for friendship that could turn into more.

Met a girl off Mamba that I had wanted to see last summer and it did not work out but I was very attracted to her and so I made sure to lock her down early in my trip. She looked as good as photos (I was surprised since she had her weight listed as many that she was chubby but she lost some weight she said and had a nice body with small tits but skinny and beautiful face. Had a really nice unrushed session with her for 70 USD and plan to see her again in my trip. Got BBBJ and kissing so that was nice. She is 22 YO.

I had written before that I wanted to try anal but with a big dick I could not get any girls to go for it. My friend met a girl on Tinder and she met us after a night of drinking for breakfast. This girl was in 40's and noty very attractive but had a decent body for this age and she was coming on to me and I was horny so I ended up fucking her she took me in the ass no problems and I fucked her hard for basically free (a couple drinks). Would not repeat she is a crazy girl but the sex was really good I must say.

Met a Girl that I had reported about last summer and maybe it was my fault as I was tired and had not slept well but it seemed awkward with us even though we had communicated throughout the year and I was excited to see her. Gave her $100 USD for what I was expecting to me more like a date sex dinner back for more sex but after 20 minutes of lousy sex she gave an excuse that she had to meet her friend and would be back in 20 minutes and I knew this was not true and of course she gave me an excuse. I have deleted her number.

As it was July 4 and I am American I was now disappointed with nothing to do and really bored and I am well under budget for this trip. I knew there are no clubs that are crowded on Tuesday night so I decide to try out Rio. Since I had already had sex and sometimes cannot perform a second time so soon I was just going to get drunk and get some private dances. I would have to say Rio is a really nice place. Drinks are not too crazy expensive, the managers are eager to assist you and I saw out of about 50 girls that there were only about 2 that I found unattractive (but I would fuck every one of them! Some really pretty girls there. I had a nice seat and saw all the girls come through and dance three at a time on a side stage. And then every 20 minutes two girls would come by and give a short dance presentation at the table. One of these girls was named Masha she was tall and really beautiful great face and body. Took her for two-song dance (500 H) and she let me touch everywhere besides pussy but no real connection. Then I asked the manager if he had any redheads and he pointed to this girl Anya and I told him to get here for me when she was done on stage. She was probably below average for the girls there but petite and still very hot. When she comes over she did not have red hair but reddish brown. But I asked her for private dance and she was really good and I could tell we were connecting and I got three dances from her (1500 H). She was completely nude and kissed with tongue so I started to get excited and now wanted to take her back. I did and she was amazing in bed. No BBBJ but she did BLS (this happens sometimes I don't understand why one is ok and the other isn't.). I spent a lot on the night but like I said I was way ahead on budget and it was a special occasion but this girl was a firecracker and got two loads out of me. I can count on one hand how many times I have come three times in one day since I was sixteen. So even though I spent a lot of money it was well worth it to me as it's hard to find such a pretty girl that gives a great session even for 300 USD where I live. But probably won't be going back to Rio soon as my budget took at hit last night!

Will report more if anything interesting happens.

[Volpone]

Bob,

You have to stop thinking in USD. You are not in the USA.

In Ukraine, they use UAH, and in Ukraine, 5,000 UAH per month is a decent salary. Many girls live on that, even supporting a kid. 10,000 UAH per month is a very good salary.

Locals pay 300-500 UAH. These girls either have a few regulars, or are real pros and have sex 10 times per day. You probably do not want these girls and in any case, as a foreigner, they will never let you pay only 500. However, 1000 UAH is reasonable.

They will try to squeeze every cent from you. BBBJ is usually included as part of the service. So its the "taxi."During the day, you can be guaranteed they did not use a taxi.

The newbie is right Steevie69. Pros in Kiev usually don't do BBBJ. And if they do it, they will increase their price of 25-50%. Some of them won't do it for even 100 US. Kiev is not a good destination for BBBJ.

What concern the Non-pros, BBBJ is not always included. It really depends on each girls. Anyway Non-pros are hard to find on Mamba now, I mean real non-pros, so good luck for the newbies hunting non-pros on mamba.

About the price that locals pay, everyone can pay that price. I paid that price. 450 UAH for 1 hour with a girl. I am not Ukrainian. You just have to know a bit of Russian. However the quality is most of the time low and that's just wasting time.

[BobSmith1]

Thanks once again for setting all these parameters for me. I need to start thinking and calculating like locals and maybe pay just a little more than locals. I know I ain't going to pay as little as locals but hopefully not too much more. I started just cold approaches in mall. I think I'll just imply that we can be friends of benefits. Imply I don't think I can be too explicit? Can I? I mean in the mall? There was a blonde approached me I think she is from church or something. She wanted to continue to talk but just just couldn't understand English much. There are many who don't. It's hard. My friend has a little online marketing thing so he can hire someone to work so she can make money for you while you pay them a little while get her in bed too. I think that's the most ideal situation. What business can we run here even very small business. If I pay $400, I make $600,that's still a little gain plus pay her salary too. The "I'm her boss" figure can alter how she see you. And "you got a business here" also alter how she see you too. Both bring some more respect?

Have any of you gone to church here? Is there Mormon here? Mormon got a lot of girls even in USA.

[Rrralf]

Will be in July 17-18. Do anyone have recommendation where I might find beautiful incall girl that does CIM and COF? I Do not want to pay more than $100 for one hour.

Any help is appreciated.

Where is the best place to look for these kind of girl. Is there anyone in Kiev that would be interested to share a girl (threesome with two guys and one girl).

[Stevie69]

Bob,

You have to stop thinking in USD. You are not in the USA.

In Ukraine, they use UAH, and in Ukraine, 5,000 UAH per month is a decent salary. Many girls live on that, even supporting a kid. 10,000 UAH per month is a very good salary.

Locals pay 300-500 UAH. These girls either have a few regulars, or are real pros and have sex 10 times per day. You probably do not want these girls and in any case, as a foreigner, they will never let you pay only 500. However, 1000 UAH is reasonable. Girls from GIA, which are top quality, start at 3000 UAH and half goes to the house. So, independent girls, even the highest quality girls, start at 1500 UAH. Of course, finding them and coming up to an agreement takes more time and effort, and they have to be more careful too, given that they do not have drivers and protection. Whether that security is worth 50% to the girls, I do not know; it depends on the individual girl.

Sometimes it is smarter, for you and the girl, to meet beforehand at a public place, for a coffee. I usually do that. If I do not sense any chemistry, or if she is not the girl in the photos, I MIGHT give her 50 UAH and send her home. I say "might" because it depends on how I feel. I figure, I already paid for the coffee and although they might argue that their time is worth money, but mine is too, and if I calculate my hourly wage, my time is worth about 1300 UAH per hour.

They will try to squeeze every cent from you. BBBJ is usually included as part of the service. So its the "taxi."During the day, you can be guaranteed they did not use a taxi.

I think they guy below gave her 30,000 UAH, not 3,000 USD. I would have to check, but either one is insane! 3000 USD would be almost enough to live for the whole year! 30,000 UAH enough for 6 months.

Whether you live in Europe or North America, you can get perfectly beautiful companions at home for 200-300 USD per hour. If you are happy paying that much, just stay home. The beauty of being in Ukraine is that, if you focus on independent semi-pros, it is almost like a regular pick up, except that you can sweeten the pot and guarantee the outcome with a little money. They 1000 or 2000 UAH you give them actually helps them in life.

Am I the only one who can negotiate a decent price? I will be back again this summer for a couple of weeks. It will be my third time this year, so I doubt much has changed. The only difference this time is that it will be warmer and the skirts will be shorter.

$200 is 10 times of what locals paying? 4 to 5 times of foreigners? So it should be 500 uah for locals? 1300 uah for foreigners? So far I only asked for BBBJ. I just did 1 today 1000 uah from mamba. She is young big tits but face not really pretty and a little fatty too. But 1000 uah 1 HR BBBJ. I'm sure 500 uah went to her pimp. I just want to go through this once to get a feel. Next Ill target better quality but I still doubt that you will hit model types for less than $100. If I don't ask for BBBJ, most said $60 is fine BJ with condom. When I asked for BBBJ, they +$30 more. So far, that's what I get. But I think offer them a monthly type of deal maybe more realistic. $350 a month and pay them weekly. I guess if you pay them $350 all at 1 time, they may just leave and don't come back. Consider a stranger just gave you $9000 usd, I may as well just leave.

I was wondering what quality of that girl the other guy was willing to pay $3000 a month? Well if she is very top notch she knows she could make that in Dubai.

And talk about deals, if you stay here for long enough especially in winter time. There maybe some kind of deals say like the top notch may settle in for 2500 uah for a BBBJ. Now summer time, a lot of tourist come here competing with each other especially some only come here for 1 or 2 weeks, if they don't get it they may offer higher price to get it.

[Member #4722]

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[DramaFree11]

$200 is 10 times of what locals paying? 4 to 5 times of foreigners? So it should be 500 uah for locals? 1300 uah for foreigners? So far I only asked for BBBJ. I just did 1 today 1000 uah from mamba. She is young big tits but face not really pretty and a little fatty too. But 1000 uah 1 HR BBBJ. I'm sure 500 uah went to her pimp. I just want to go through this once to get a feel. Next Ill target better quality but I still doubt that you will hit model types for less than $100. If I don't ask for BBBJ, most said $60 is fine BJ with condom. When I asked for BBBJ, they +$30 more. So far, that's what I get. But I think offer them a monthly type of deal maybe more realistic. $350 a month and pay them weekly. I guess if you pay them $350 all at 1 time, they may just leave and don't come back. Consider a stranger just gave you $9000 usd, I may as well just leave.

I was wondering what quality of that girl the other guy was willing to pay $3000 a month? Well if she is very top notch she knows she could make that in Dubai.

And talk about deals, if you stay here for long enough especially in winter time. There maybe some kind of deals say like the top notch may settle in for 2500 uah for a BBBJ. Now summer time, a lot of tourist come here competing with each other especially some only come here for 1 or 2 weeks, if they don't get it they may offer higher price to get it.

Sorry, these girls are not going to give deals. They have so many guys after them you would not believe it. As far as Top Notch girls there just is not that many of them, with the exception of the computer and 99% of the profiles are fake. You are dreaming if you think you can get a girl for $100 night. It is easily attainable in Germany or many other countries. As far of Ukraine Guys paying 4 times, they do get a break, but not that much, sorry, just not true. The girls prefer local guys, they do not need foreign guys. There are plenty of local guys running around with money.

[BobSmith1]

$200 is 10 times of what locals paying? 4 to 5 times of foreigners? So it should be 500 uah for locals? 1300 uah for foreigners? So far I only asked for BBBJ. I just did 1 today 1000 uah from mamba. She is young big tits but face not really pretty and a little fatty too. But 1000 uah 1 HR BBBJ. I'm sure 500 uah went to her pimp. I just want to go through this once to get a feel. Next Ill target better quality but I still doubt that you will hit model types for less than $100. If I don't ask for BBBJ, most said $60 is fine BJ with condom. When I asked for BBBJ, they +$30 more. So far, that's what I get. But I think offer them a monthly type of deal maybe more realistic. $350 a month and pay them weekly. I guess if you pay them $350 all at 1 time, they may just leave and don't come back. Consider a stranger just gave you $9000 usd, I may as well just leave.

I was wondering what quality of that girl the other guy was willing to pay $3000 a month? Well if she is very top notch she knows she could make that in Dubai.

And talk about deals, if you stay here for long enough especially in winter time. There maybe some kind of deals say like the top notch may settle in for 2500 uah for a BBBJ. Now summer time, a lot of tourist come here competing with each other especially some only come here for 1 or 2 weeks, if they don't get it they may offer higher price to get it.

[Stevie69]

Well, maybe she is not a pro, or even a semi-pro, and maybe she does not like you. It happens!

Found 1 tall slim blonde on mamba but she said:"I'm sorry I am not interested in you But Wish you all the best And find perfect Ukrainian girl". I don't assume they are ho's so I usually write to them as wanting to have a meaningful normal relationship until they suggest $$ instead. Anyone with skills to change this situation? She is a little bit taller than me I know that. She didn't say she want sex on her ad.

[Stevie69]

Just 2 days! That is a hard play. You may have to pay $100 USD indeed. What do you mean by "beautiful", sweet university student, or playboy bunny looking with fake everything?

Will be in July 17-18. Do anyone have recommendation where I might find beautiful incall girl that does CIM and COF? I Do not want to pay more than $100 for one hour.

Any help is appreciated.

[Stevie69]

You mean the "asked" not offered", right? Well, trust them, and if a different girl shows up, send her home. However, $200 USD is like 10 times the real price for locals, 4 to 5 times the price for foreigners. I have a friend who works full time as an administrative assistant, and she makes $240 USD per month! You might as well pay them 30,000 UAH per month and a $3000 USD Ipad, like the guy below.

I have contacted a few backpage gals. Some offered $60, sum offered $100, sum offered 2000 uah not really pretty. 1 offered $200. They sent me real photos via viber. The $200 look like real model. Should I trust them? Once you ordered the gal, there is no return? I gave them nearby address then I go down to check her out, is that ok? If not good, can I return? Mamba gals, no real actions yet. All just talking.

[Butch145]

Hello,

When I did research on here I listen to a few suggestions.

I Joined mamba and I also joined Ukrainedate site.

Mamba I upgraded to VIP with no pic and only pic I would give when they responded to me. My game plan was 3 hours for $100 USA and BBBJ. I had probably around 20-25 numbers of girls in that price range. That worked great for me.

Ukrainedate you aren't going to find sponsors but girls who will show you around and possibly more. For me I had a few prepared for the meeting, just encase one one or two disappeared. First date nothing but site see and so on, but on 2nd date got her into bed. That's what worked for me. Also I used Airbnb to find a place to bring girls over, figured it would be easier than hotel.

Someone else used Seeking arrangements to get a few girls setup but I figured that was way to much money to spend in Ukraine.

It was a great experience and wish you guys luck on your trip to Ukraine.

[Danish Traveler]

Yes, that is what it means. You can not get topgirl for less than 100 dollars if you do not speak one word russian. Learn it! Sponsor is very common in Russia and Ukraine where the pretty girls have a rich lover who pays her rent and give her shoppingmoney.

Ukraine girls know their worth.

1 of mamba girls said:"I do not care about a single meeting, I'm looking for a permanent lover of the sponsor". How should I reply and still trying to get her do what I needed? My friend hired 1 assistant to work on his online marketing and pay her $350/ month and of course that girl became his GF now. She cook and clean up but not very pretty tho.

I haven't read everything on this forum but I remember 1 USSR dude who speak russian got a blonde 18 for only 2500 uah but she now need 200 euro. That girl is hot. Ya you can say 200 euro is worth it with that quality. Can he share her contact? Message me ok? But if you can't speak russians, does that mean getting girls with that quality at 2500 uah not possible?

[BobSmith1]

Found 1 tall slim blonde on mamba but she said:"I'm sorry I am not interested in you But Wish you all the best And find perfect Ukrainian girl". I don't assume they are ho's so I usually write to them as wanting to have a meaningful normal relationship until they suggest $$ instead. Anyone with skills to change this situation? She is a little bit taller than me I know that. She didn't say she want sex on her ad.