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I read here somewhere someone saying that girls perform better in good luxurious apartments. Can you guys vote for this / put your opinion and experience here.

The most important for the girl are two factors: money she makes, and feeling safe.

Luxurious expensive looking apartment may make her think that you are willing to spend more, and if she's a pro, and you are drunk, then she can apply a few extortion tricks: charging for extra services, watching time closer and asking for payment while extending the stay.

At the same time, go cheaper than average, and some of the girls may not be comfortable, even if it's clean, and cut the stay short by toning down the delivery of goods.

What is luxurious anyway? For some of us $150 exorbitant. For others $400-500/ night hotel room is ordinary.

I do $50-100/ night for downtown AirBnB, preferably 2-bedroom. I do not consider it luxurious, would rather call it decent.

In my experience girls are more relaxed when accommodations are adequate. It is easier to melt the ice with new acquaintance, or keep overnight for free a young semi-pro student or out-of-town visitor, that otherwise would go to a dorm, sharing everything with a roommate. Certain level of comfort helps with newbies. Again, hardened pros perceive luxury from expected budget assessment point of view.

[DramaFree11]

Not true.

I read here somewhere someone saying that girls perform better in good luxurious apartments. Can you guys vote for this / put your opinion and experience here.

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Just to clarify. I'm retired and have been for many years, with income from investments. (When I turn 70, I'll start to receive my pension). That's why I can spend 90 days in Kiev each summer. Also, I don't have a permanent home, so I am always living in hotels or short-term apartments (or my tent when I am camping).

Living a dream! And I mean it in the most sincere way.

What a solid execution of a well coordinated plan!

If available financial resources are not endless, then optimization goes along few parameters: visit duration, room and board, frequency and length of stay with ladies, diversity of sources and time spent on procurement.

Ability to make balanced decisions based on prior experiences is the most valuable asset.

And yes, you can grind your way to finding a $50/ hour jewel using agencies or independents on ukrgo, but it does take time and is thus only worth it for those planning to spend a lot of time in Kiev. Also, I speak intermediate Russian (somewhere between B1 and B2 level) which helps.

Yet another surprise, not a native speaker having measurable degree of relatively long-term success. Wow!

Going through agency girls at $50-70/ shot is rather entertaining. Hunting in the wild is even more satisfying.

If success rate is defined by getting laid, then I am at 30%, simply because with some I am happy even without the so-called ultimate prize, and do not push hard for "closing the sale". It is so much fun in slowly getting more and more intimate, while watching the face expression and body language of the lady, how she anticipates the next move, and becomes more and more comfortable, more feminine, more and more beautiful. I do not like those that play too much, fortunately Kiev has enough straightforward representatives of the opposite gender.

As far as getting the phone number and then later on meeting the girl that you just met for the first time in your life, - my chances outside of Kiev are rapidly shrinking, especially in the target category of specific interest, where they could have been my daughters and already even granddaughters. Legally.

In Kiev there is no prejudice in that respect. When I ask, I get the phone number 70-80% of the time, and meet later on with most of them. It can be a cute long-legged student having her coffee at nearby cafeteria, a young MILF in Rio (no problem getting a phone number there), gorgeous 27 yo stylist doing my manicure, impeccable girl at the cashier register selling champagne and sandwiches at the Theater buffet during intermission, Supermarket liquor section, subway, - too many opportunities to continue here.

Bottom line: it is possible to find a jewel, even more than one, and then cherish the time spent together again and again.

I tried fishing in the civilian pool, but I found it awkward to bring up money as a way of enhancing my attractiveness to younger women. Whereas professionals have no problem discussing money openly. I'm still open to civilians, but am still unsure how much to offer. I give the jewel 4000 uah for 3 hours and simplest would be to offer a similar amount to civilians, though certainly I could go lower. Maybe 3000 uah, since I could sustain 3000 uah / day long-term, in case the girl travels with me (though I have my doubts about the wisdom of this).

And rightfully so. If you get tired after 4 hours together, then even 2-3 days side by side could be too much.

I definitely can't afford 10000 uah / day long-term, which is why I didn't go the Gia girl route from the start. I like the idea of being able to convert any girl I see into a regular, so very important that the price I start with can be sustained long-term.

Good thinking here too. There is one girl who I pay $300 for each session regardless of duration - 4 hours or 14. That is difficult to sustain indeed. Understandably she is eager to meet, and I am the happiest person in the whole world with her in many ways. Trust level is amazing. She never asks for money. It would be difficult to imagine though renegotiating our terms. Hence starting at mutually acceptable rate is paramount. Expenses add up very quickly over there.

Incidentally, someone questioned why anyone would want a girl for 3 hours. No, I don't engage in vigorous intercourse for 3 hours straight. I just enjoy having a pretty young girl in bed with me several times a week, assuming she has a pleasant personality. Summer in Kiev is my only time for easy access to girls 30 to 40 years younger than me, Less than 2 hours and I would feel rushed. Beyond 4 hours, I would get tired of the girl. So 3-4 hours is perfect.

Some like it much faster. For myself, if there is chemistry - 3 hours is minimal, and 4 is golden. 2 is rushed. Shower for her or Jacuzzi together, conversation and foreplay with a pleasant partner may take hour and a half easily. Relaxing afterwards - 45 minutes to an hour. I also like my own privacy, and try having a separate bedroom for longer term visitors. This allows me to sneak away to Rio around the corner, while Dame-du-jour is in the arms of Morpheus (except good mannered Ukrainian girls do not like sleeping along.

[Stevie69]

I do not know whether this is correct; the figures are very variable, but it is in the right ballpark. . It would further have to be reduced by the proportion of sex workers who are infected. Furthermore, it also depends on whether you are intact or circumcised. Anyway, in Ukraine, the prevalence of HIV is about 1%. Generally, sex worker have about 10 times the rate of the general population. So, assuming this rate of 1/2600 is correct, the actual chance of getting infected is about 1/26,000 of a chance of a life sentence. A condom is a small price. However, if it breaks, there is no need to panic too much. There are next day drugs, like the morning after pill.

By the way, 1/26,00, if we accept this figure, does not mean that you would have to play 26,000 times to win. You might win on your first try, o not wing after 26,00 times, if you can get that high. There is a probability distribution, likely Poisson.

So, is it a major threat? Well, no, but given that it is for life, it is.

Risk of getting infected with HIV through unprotected heterosexual vaginal sex with a girl infected with HIV is only 1/2600 as statistics have shown, if I remembered correctly. I think in reality the figure might be even lower than that, since it is very likely that some guys infected with HIV were too proud to admit that they were homosexual. So HIV should not be regarded a major threat when mongering. However I personally still wear condom every time to further minimise the risks.

[Visal]

I read here somewhere someone saying that girls perform better in good luxurious apartments. Can you guys vote for this / put your opinion and experience here.

[Jymondor]

Hi,

10 days to come to Kyiv, preparing last minute issue. One of them is contacting GIA in order to book meeting in advance.

I try to contact them by email several time but no answers yet (69escorts@googlemail.com , onlinecary@gmail.com , uagirls@ukr.net).

I would prefer to call them when arriving.

Any advice?

Regards,

LOL7.

Call them and ask to add your phone number to their Telegram. They are fairly prompt on Telegram.
Or add contact on Telegram from your phone:
Username: @gia77
Phone: +380 94 712 40 90

[Lookoflove7]

Hi,

10 days to come to Kyiv, preparing last minute issue. One of them is contacting GIA in order to book meeting in advance.

I try to contact them by email several time but no answers yet (69escorts@googlemail.com , onlinecary@gmail.com , uagirls@ukr.net).

I would prefer to call them when arriving.

Any advice?

Regards,

LOL7.

[Tinny2000]

What is GIA?

Do you use hotel or Airbnb? Are you allowed to bring girls?

I assume you know Russian or Ukr to play day games?

My big concern is I don't speak Russian or Ukraine.

I am in the process of moving from German FKK to Kyiv. I have been mongering in German FKK since 2006. Hundreds of the girls. I like the business model of the large FKK like Sharks, World or Oase. Sharks is my preferable club now.

Now I am in Kiev for my #3 venue. Stick to GIA (report will follow soon).

I cannot say what is better: FKK or Kiev. The point is that that this is incomparable things. Totaly different types of pleasure. FKK is visual distractions, possibility to have three or even five girls per day if you want. Younger and better-looking girls. In general better technique. However, things are rather mechanical, more business-like.

If you can afford GIA, this is more predictable. You may expect good looking girls with the great level of service. However, technical skills, in general, are far from being called professional. But I am OK with that because I get from GIA girls real GFE..

[DramaFree11]

Thank you for the clarification. I think this is great way to live you life and better deal you can negotiation with the ladies is even better.

I was just commenting that for a newbie your strategy probably will not work. The budget will not be enough and if they stay outside of the center, probably will not be fun, but if I was in your shoes I would do the exact same.

Good luck.

Just to clarify. I'm retired and have been for many years, with income from investments. (When I turn 70, I'll start to receive my pension). That's why I can spend 90 days in Kiev each summer. Also, I don't have a permanent home, so I am always living in hotels or short-term apartments (or my tent when I am camping). So the $130/ day in Kiev was not in addition to ongoing living expenses but rather was ongoing living expenses. Add airfare of $125 to get to Kiev from Spain via Vueling and then $117 to get to Bulgaria via UIA after finishing in Kiev.

And yes, you can grind your way to finding a $50/ hour jewel using agencies or independents on ukrgo, but it does take time and is thus only worth it for those planning to send a lot of time in Kiev. Also, I speak intermediate Russian (somewhere beween B1 and B2 level) which helps. And no, I'm not giving out photos or contact info of the jewel I found this way. She was trouble to find and I'd prefer to keep her to myself. Sorry!.

[Jymondor]

Correct about the adventure, but in Kiev, there are many things to do and cheap, most nights of the week the city is dead, Friday is OK, the rest of the nights there is zero nightlife. Germany, Mexico and Russia is alive with energy and night life, this just can not be said about Kiev.

Ground game is still there, but that is not for everyone. (A lot of time and effort, to be successful).

The question is meaningless, as the two experiences have nothing in comparison.

German FKK is like all inclusive resort tourism of a very special kind. There is nothing like Artemis or Sharks in full swing. Countless naked girls leading sheepish men to rooms, where you can be in heaven for a period exactly numbered (time wise and money wise). It's the closest you can get to a Roman orgy (if ever there were any) in modern times. But at the same time it is Fordism for fucking.

Kyiv is an adventure. You travel individually. You can meet girls who give you almost everything for not a lot. You are a traveller, and not a shopper. There is no assembly line for orgasms. You have to walk the outside world.

German FKK in my experience is past its heyday, and so may be Kyiv. For both places there is now a mythological past, a paradise lost. In Kyiv the adventure is still going on, and so it is in FKK (albeit with CBJ, which is like Eve's apple with Glyphosat).

I would always choose Kyiv. Now is the best time to go. The next few months till October can be glorious. Ukraine is such a great country. Tough, but tender.

I am in the process of moving from German FKK to Kyiv. I have been mongering in German FKK since 2006. Hundreds of the girls. I like the business model of the large FKK like Sharks, World or Oase. Sharks is my preferable club now.

Now I am in Kiev for my #3 venue. Stick to GIA (report will follow soon).

I cannot say what is better: FKK or Kiev. The point is that that this is incomparable things. Totaly different types of pleasure. FKK is visual distractions, possibility to have three or even five girls per day if you want. Younger and better-looking girls. In general better technique. However, things are rather mechanical, more business-like.

If you can afford GIA, this is more predictable. You may expect good looking girls with the great level of service. However, technical skills, in general, are far from being called professional. But I am OK with that because I get from GIA girls real GFE. As you know, this stands for Girlfriend experience. Do you expect professional sex skills from your girlfriend? I don't. Maybe just opposite: if the girlfriend is too skilled this might raise a question. The session with GIA girls is much more passionate than in FKK. Usually, I took girls for 4+ hours that makes the session feel like a date. Of course, Kyiv venue is one girl per day.

I think I am tending to like Kyiv model better than FKK since I am planning my next trip to Kyiv as soon as business permits and build no plans for Frankfurt. However, I am not going to discontinue my FKK adventures. I will try to alternate them with Kiev. Different experience, different chemistry, different pleasure. But I guess that Grman FKK and Kyev are the best places for mongering around the Globe.

Moneywise Kyiv is slightly more affordable than FKK, but marginally.

[Kozerog]

Just to clarify. I'm retired and have been for many years, with income from investments. (When I turn 70, I'll start to receive my pension). That's why I can spend 90 days in Kiev each summer. Also, I don't have a permanent home, so I am always living in hotels or short-term apartments (or my tent when I am camping). So the $130/ day in Kiev was not in addition to ongoing living expenses but rather was ongoing living expenses. Add airfare of $125 to get to Kiev from Spain via Vueling and then $117 to get to Bulgaria via UIA after finishing in Kiev.

And yes, you can grind your way to finding a $50/ hour jewel using agencies or independents on ukrgo, but it does take time and is thus only worth it for those planning to send a lot of time in Kiev. Also, I speak intermediate Russian (somewhere beween B1 and B2 level) which helps. And no, I'm not giving out photos or contact info of the jewel I found this way. She was trouble to find and I'd prefer to keep her to myself. Sorry!

I tried fishing in the civilian pool, but I found it awkward to bring up money as a way of enhancing my attractiveness to younger women. Whereas professionals have no problem discussing money openly. I'm still open to civilians, but am still unsure how much to offer. I give the jewel 4000 uah for 3 hours and simplest would be to offer a similar amount to civilians, though certainly I could go lower. Maybe 3000 uah, since I could sustain 3000 uah / day long-term, in case the girl travels with me (though I have my doubts about the wisdom of this). I definitely can't afford 10000 uah / day long-term, which is why I didn't go the Gia girl route from the start. I like the idea of being able to convert any girl I see into a regular, so very important that the price I start with can be sustained long-term.

Incidentally, someone questioned why anyone would want a girl for 3 hours. No, I don't engage in vigorous intercourse for 3 hours straight. I just enjoy having a pretty young girl in bed with me several times a week, assuming she has a pleasant personality. Summer in Kiev is my only time for easy access to girls 30 to 40 years younger than me, Less than 2 hours and I would feel rushed. Beyond 4 hours, I would get tired of the girl. So 3-4 hours is perfect.

[Michi T]

If it was me I would avoid Kiev just not that good and if you do not have local contacts even worse.

For me, Kiev is amazing! Wooohooo! No idea with professional girls. But local girls, talking on the street in daytime is so easy.

PS: If someone in Kiev and want to meet for a drink today or tomorrow, let me know asap

[DramaFree11]

Correct about the adventure, but in Kiev there are many things to do and cheap, most nights of the week the city is dead, Friday is OK, the rest of the nights there is zero nightlife. Germany, Mexico and Russia is alive with energy and night life, this just can not be said about Kiev.

Ground game is still there, but that is not for everyone. (A lot of time and effort, to be successful).

The question is meaningless, as the two experiences have nothing in comparison.

German FKK is like all inclusive resort tourism of a very special kind. There is nothing like Artemis or Sharks in full swing. Countless naked girls leading sheepish men to rooms, where you can be in heaven for a period exactly numbered (time wise and money wise). It's the closest you can get to a Roman orgy (if ever there were any) in modern times. But at the same time it is Fordism for fucking.

Kyiv is an adventure. You travel individually. You can meet girls who give you almost everything for not a lot. You are a traveller, and not a shopper. There is no assembly line for orgasms. You have to walk the outside world.

German FKK in my experience is past its heyday, and so may be Kyiv. For both places there is now a mythological past, a paradise lost. In Kyiv the adventure is still going on, and so it is in FKK (albeit with CBJ, which is like Eve's apple with Glyphosat).

I would always choose Kyiv. Now is the best time to go. The next few months till October can be glorious. Ukraine is such a great country. Tough, but tender.

[TeFab456]

The question is meaningless, as the two experiences have nothing in comparison.

German FKK is like all inclusive resort tourism of a very special kind. There is nothing like Artemis or Sharks in full swing. Countless naked girls leading sheepish men to rooms, where you can be in heaven for a period exactly numbered (timewise and moneywise). It's the closest you can get to a Roman orgy (if ever there were any) in modern times. But at the same time it is Fordism for fucking.

Kyiv is an adventure. You travel individually. You can meet girls who give you almost everything for not a lot. You are a traveller, and not a shopper. There is no assembly line for orgasms. You have to walk the outside world.

German FKK in my experience is past its heyday, and so may be Kyiv. For both places there is now a mythological past, a paradise lost. In Kyiv the adventure is still going on, and so it is in FKK (albeit with CBJ, which is like Eve's apple with Glyphosat).

I would always choose Kyiv. Now is the best time to go. The next few months till October can be glorious. Ukraine is such a great country. Tough, but tender.

[DramaFree11]

If it was me I would avoid Kiev just not that good and if you do not have local contacts even worse.

1. Moscow: my favorite.

2. Tijuana.

3. Germany.

No experience in Asia not for me.

I went to Germany (FKK, oase, Sharks), Thailand, and Tijuana MX. Generally, my preference is FKK Thailand Tijuana. I like Germany because it is pretty safe and everything is in order. In particular, there are a lot of pretty girls (though most of them are from Romania, which I don't care).

I also know many people like to go to Ukraine. I'm hesitant with it since I know neither Russian nor Ukrainian. But on the other hand, Ukr girls are very beautiful and it is a mysterious country.

What will you choose between Germany FKK and Ukraine? Any comments?

Thanks!