Kyiv

[PhotoSlider]

Hi PhotoSlider,

1. There was a discussion about GIA and its set up on here going back 6 or 7 years ago.

2. And they do monitor what gets posted on their girls.

1. Thanks for the reference, Jojosun. Interesting reading. Whoever manages GIA now is doing OK due to competition, they also must to try harder in order to retain the talent at sufficient level. Not outstanding, but not too terrible nowadays.

I wouldn't call GIA the best option. Far from that. Perhaps 4 minus on the scale 1 to 5. They are expensive no matter how you look at it, but that's not the problem. They are not available 24 x 7. Phone dispatchers do not seem to enjoy what they are doing at all, there's also soviet style "I don't care. You will pay anyway" attitude towards serviced customers.

Girls short the time previously agreed upon. Not all of them would take your breath away with their beauty. Some are simply GND, cute student, no more. Not all are dressed properly, even when requested. Both dress, and lingerie. Advertised services are not always provided. BBBJ, DFK and other options declined with silly made up explanations based on personal preferences or simply being lazy. Some of the girls had skin problems, not repulsive, but definitely not consistent with the portrayed image of exclusive goddesses taking tired experienced travelers straight to heaven.

Same old, no matter where you are. Kiev or somewhere else on the planet. Dream is sold online, - it's up to us to believe it or not, and up to every girl to perform convincingly. Maybe 50% of GIA girls I would ever return to, considering the available alternatives. Nothing new. I have been more content with 1800-2000 UAH 24 x 7 call girls for a quickie. Certainly had better value in terms of price / quality ratio with old acquaintances, when doing more than few hours.

Despite the above complaints, at least one GIA girl has been an amazing actress. Brings a smile to my face every time I think of her. We did very long and happy time together. There is no substitute for a great looking 20 yo, having a real orgasm.

2. GIA surely moderates their own multiple websites. They lie there routinely, everybody does in Sales. It seems few years back they also monitored and even had laughable attempts to affect opinions of ISG regular participants. Perhaps they still monitor ISG, but shifted their efforts towards controlled environment of gia dot la and such.

[Jojosun]

I The question was about skill of those who manages them. Not even dispatchers on the phone or email. Decision makers above everybody. Who decides on how to run the shop? General manager of the team so to speak.

I would expect they are local. Still am curious. Not in a critical way though.

Hi PhotoSlider,

There was a discussion about GIA and its set up on here going back 6 or 7 years ago.

http://www.internationalsexguide.inf...-Escorts/page9

And they do monitor what gets posted on their girls.

http://www.internationalsexguide.inf...-Escorts/page3

[PhotoSlider]

Definitely, GIA girls are homegrown. Not necessarily raised in Kiev but in Ukraine.

I didn't ask about girls. The question was about skill of those who manages them. Not even dispatchers on the phone or email. Decision makers above everybody. Who decides on how to run the shop? General manager of the team so to speak.

I would expect they are local. Still am curious. Not in a critical way though.

[PhotoSlider]

Nice, the redhead is cute. Sorry the other girls are marginal, but looks like you are having fun!

Hi DramaFree11,

Thanks for sharing your point of view. Post or point to your positive reports, if there are any. Preferably with pictures of high-end models you and your friends had for peanuts while traveling all over the world. Contribute to the Forum in the meaningful way, if you care about mongers safety, satisfaction and best bang for the buck!

Not a long time ago respected members Rog123 and MagicSheep listed here great places they visited. Not countries, - locations, such as cities and towns. Very enlightening! Please post yours, be more specific, if you could.

[PhotoSlider]

1. Definitely, GIA girls are homegrown. Not necessarily raised in Kiev but in Ukraine.

2. This is an agency. Girls are not permitted even exchange phone numbers with the customers and they follow that rule.

3. I asked one GIA girl whether management knows how long was the session, or not. She answered they know. She didn't want to share any details. But I guess that GIA management is watching girls at their phone locations. One girl in Moscow while ago told me that her management watches girls that way. The girls must keep the phone with the turned ON location service all the time. So I would assume that GIA could employ the same technology.

4.I hope we can trust that agency and the privacy will be kept. However, I never use my business phone for the mongering. I have an unlocked phone and SIM cards for all countries I hunting girls.

1. True.

2. False.

3. What a "great" suggestion for GIA management! Too bad you can not delete it.

4. Obviously. Good precaution. I do not use neither my business nor personal. Have 2 mongerphones, and a stack of SIM cards).

[Jymondor]

I am not talking about protection. AFAIK they are protected by police at some level, and about 50% of what we pay goes to all sorts of overhead. My question is about business processes within GIA. There is good decision making by some experienced people. Is it homegrown Ukrainian, or someone imported with education and exposure to external markets?

Another question: does GIA read ISG? Girls or management? I certainly hope noone spills anything outside of
our Forum.

This is an open website Forum. Anybody can find the site.

A3

Definitely, GIA girls are homegrown. Not necessarily raised in Kiev but in Ukraine.

This is an agency. Girls are not permitted even exchange phone numbers with the customers and they follow that rule.

I asked one GIA girl whether management knows how long was the session, or not. She answered they know. She didn't want to share any details. But I guess that GIA management is watching girls at their phone locations. One girl in Moscow while ago told me that her management watches girls that way. The girls must keep the phone with the turned ON location service all the time. So I would assume that GIA could employ the same technology.

I hope we can trust that agency and the privacy will be kept. However, I never use my business phone for the mongering. I have an unlocked phone and SIM cards for all countries I hunting girls.

[PhotoSlider]

I posted a report on a Rio girl and within an hour she had contacted me asking about what I had written. Someone in the club told her. Assume anything written on this forum could get back to the source.

Thank you for the warning. I suspected that much. Did not hear the same about GIA yet.

AFAIK GIA girls do not work at Rio, and vise versa, but they communicate. I took one of the GIA girls to Rio, because she tried having an attitude) and I was drunk. Her friend was not working that night.

I suppose, plausible deniability is the way to go. Trying to keep it neutral and anonymous enough.

[Member #4722]

I am not talking about protection. AFAIK they are protected by police at some level, and about 50% of what we pay goes to all sorts of overhead. My question is about business processes within GIA. There is good decision making by some experienced people. Is it homegrown Ukrainian, or someone imported with education and exposure to external markets?

Another question: does GIA read ISG? Girls or management? I certainly hope noone spills anything outside of
our Forum.

This is an open website Forum. Anybody can find the site.

A3

I posted a report on a Rio girl and within an hour she had contacted me asking about what I had written. Someone in the club told her. Assume anything written on this forum could get back to the source.

[Mexican Lover]

Hi,

Well I would suggest that try your luck on a girl-to-girl basis. Often you can call and ask the operator, but when you are wiht the girl, it really comes down to the "vibe" you have with the girl.

No guarantees, but you try and worse case scenario, she may say no.

Thanks for the report.

I have a stupid question.

In some massage places, you can pay extra to get "kiss".

But the webpage does not explain if it is the girl kissing your body / you kissing the girls' body / mutual lip / mutual french kiss.

I am of course looking for french kisses.

I have read a few websites from massage salons, none of them give an explanation.

Can you share the contact of the apartment (website? Where you paid 1000 UAH?

[PhotoSlider]

...$15-25 an hour? Easily? In Kiev? Not likely. Very few girls are lucky like that...

Very few girls are lucky to earn that much. That's why prices are still competitive, and gentlemen keep traveling to Ukraine. Some have adequate fun returning with elevated spirits, some feel misguided, cheated and deceived. Such is life.

Every Ukrainian girl is dreaming about making $15-25/ hour or more on a consistent basis, and they are spreading rumors, trying to force prospective buyers of their commodities to think that way.

Reality is far from that. Some work as city tour guides, translators, webcam models, travel companions. Most of the time it is short gigs here and there in constant pursuit of reliable male provider for their manicure spa and other ongoing expenses, because we do want our ladies to look great, don't we? That is why girls juggle short-term customers, cancel cheaper dates in favor of more lucrative ones, and try to hook up with longer-term sponsor without forgoing the daily hunting routine. One of the best GIA girls explained it matter-of-factly: "I will visit you from time to time when you are here. And when you are away, and I need money, - I simply make a call".

Moments of fun and glory do not last that long for these ladies. Up until 25-28 on average, depending on self-discipline. It is similar to life in professional sports, and by that age they either have to have a reliable sugar daddy, or get married, or gain sufficient financial freedom by having private residence and certain bank account. Not a simple task for a young person.

[PhotoSlider]

...I don't know who are those people. But I know they have very powerful support (the roof) at the very high offices, because GIA has exclusive right to work openly in spite this business is illegal in Ukraine. I bet you that fat chunk of money we pay to the girls go straight to these high-end offices.

I am not talking about protection. AFAIK they are protected by police at some level, and about 50% of what we pay goes to all sorts of overhead. My question is about business processes within GIA. There is good decision making by some experienced people. Is it homegrown Ukrainian, or someone imported with education and exposure to external markets?

Another question: does GIA read ISG? Girls or management? I certainly hope noone spills anything outside of
our Forum.

This is an open website Forum. Anybody can find the site.

A3

[Jymondor]

My post's are mostly to target the guys that are on budgets, looking for top level girls or in Kiev for a short period of time, they will probably be real disappointed and do not want them to be taken advantage of.

In my experience moneywise the best options are FKK in NRW. Say Acapulco in Velbert. 35 Euros entrance and 40 Euros 1/2 hrs with the girl. There is a selection there for any test. Much less upselling than in Hessen. I cannot guarantee the wedding night at 40 Euros, but I managed many good sessions there. I quit visiting NRW for the Frankfurt clubs. More $$ but much better facilities in terms of staying. Better wellness, better food, better main area. Girls are totally naked and this is important to me too. In NRW girls wear at least something. But not a huge difference in the lineups.

I keep trying affordable options in Kiev. I am sure it is possible to find acceptable variants.

[Jymondor]

Kristina's face improves significantly when her eyes are right next to you. IMHO Kristina's body is better regardless of the distance).

Bingo! This is exactly the reason why I stop hunting beauties. As you pull girl's face closer to your eyes impression totally changed. Face lines and proportions do not matter anymore. Smiling eyes is that what you see. If girl's eyes do not smile while kissing the chance of good date is low. I've been in the situations when I start kissing real beauty but her eyes are dead, the face looks not as beautiful as from the distance. Kristina is the perfect example how much better the face can look if it is closer. Also, kissing Kristina I don't see her teeth. She definitely needs the brackets.

There's more fish in the sea though, not only these two, even at GIA. And yes, they try to screen the talent. I also admire certain freedom they give to their employees. Girls are not forced to work against their will, desire to earn money makes them to. Smart management. I wonder who established business processes there?

I don't know who are those people. But I know they have very powerful support (the roof) at the very high offices, because GIA has exclusive right to work openly in spite this business is illegal in Ukraine. I bet you that fat chunk of money we pay to the girls go straight to these high-end offices.

[PhotoSlider]

...Alexa looks way better than Kristina. But time with Kristina was much better than with Alexa...

You nailed it, man! Agree on all points in your post, including the criteria for selecting escorts.

Alexa is cute. Kristina's face improves significantly when her eyes are right next to you. IMHO Kristina's body is better regardless of the distance).

There's more fish in the sea though, not only these two, even at GIA. And yes, they try to screen the talent. I also admire certain freedom they give to their employees. Girls are not forced to work against their will, desire to earn money makes them to. Smart management. I wonder who established business processes there?

[DramaFree11]

I agree about Rio / GIA, they are the best options in Kiev, but when you add in your travel expenses then they both start getting very expensive and I fell there are countries with better options. If you can afford them, then it is a good option. My post's are mostly to target the guys that are on budgets, looking for top level girls or in Kiev for a short period of time, they will probably be real disappointed and do not want them to be taken advantage of. There are many Sams in Kiev and if you are not careful you can be taken advantage of very quickly.

As far as how much girls can make in Kiev you would be surprised, how much ex-girlfriends and here friends were making, in the dating industry. There is a lot of lonely guys out there.

I spoke to GIA / RIO girls. There is screening there with many candidates for one position. Also, GIA / RIO girls publically show their faces. Not many girls can step over that.

Many Ukrainian girls work abroad. But they cannot work in EU countries legally.

$15-25 an hour? Easily? In Kiev? Not likely. Very few girls are lucky like that.

I cannot say for all. But I pay top dollars for my convenience. I don't want any obligations or any relationships longer than the paid time of the session.

I cannot go to any country to find nice looking girls at the affordable price. My destinations dictated by the business needs..