Kyiv

[Me and You]

I don't mean to be me. half.

T very GF.

Very cold in Kiev but in day time is sunny. Night time very hard weather. I met already 4 girls. 3 from Mamaba first one, beautiful 9 with green eyes good sex but not very GFE. Covered BJ. Second one is tall blonde 9 a very GFE bbj cim. Third one I met last year in Caribean. I bed her last night after a long way. A 10 super beautiful well educated and interesting girl. I brought her some gifts with me. And I gave her $ to make some shopping. Today a very GFE 8 girl bbj Cim and a strong anal.

Good time until now and no surprises. I think it is a low season for girls so it is a chance to find beautiful girls with reasonable prices. Usually I don't pay more than 100 $ may be extra for anal if requested.

Usually I look the semi pro or normal profiles and not the pink ones with hight green indicator of chatting on Mamba (a probable agency or Salon). Photos will follow after I go back home.

[Climaxnow]

I can't believe that: 300/400$ for what? For how many hours? Are you a pimp with that kind of story? Has somebody forgot there is a global crisis and all kind of workers are happy to work for half money than three years ago?

I don't mean to be smart but $300/400 for a girl that stays overnight seems fair to me. Assuming Knight scored a 9 or 10, that comes out to be about a hundred an hour. I just can't imagine a quality girl giving it up for half.

How does one find these $50 an hour models in Kiev on a one week trip?

[AColonizer]

I can't believe that: 300/400$ for what? For how many hours? Are you a pimp with that kind of story? Has somebody forgot there is a global crisis and all kind of workers are happy to work for half money than three years ago?

100% you need boots LJ. I've been out here a while and even with boots you're slipping all over. They do a remarkable job cleaning the snow from the roads and pavements, but even so the damp, and occasional thawing of snow (even at. 15c the direct sun and a bit of rock salt can cause some melt) means there are frequent pools of sheet ice. Take a scarf to wrap around your face if you plan on walking outside for longer than 2 or 3 mins, it's been a bit windy and humid a couple of days which is a lethal combination in. 20c temps.

Not much new info but I've been doing some research on some of the lesser visited places in the centre. I convinced a Nosorog girl to see me outside the club, so that's a possibility. Another night saw a visit to Solid Gold. Again I was the only punter in there during my half hour in the place. Also went to the two clubs attached to hotels Ukraina (Velvet) and Dnipro (Millennium) , and Penthaus on Red Army Street with the infamous dwarf in the fake lift which goes nowhere.

Here's a table of my findings:

CLUB ENTRY PRIVATE DANCE TAKE OUT COST.

Nosorog (all venues) 100 200 (promo) and / a.

Solid Gold 100 300 $400.

Penthaus 100 300 $300/2500.

Dnipro 100 400 $400*

Velvet 100 500 and / a.

In Velvet only 1 of the 7 girls was doable, really there's no reason to visit here ever. Had private dance been 200Hrv I would have taken a dance and given my number to Emma, but I had a tea, stayed to watch all 7 girls dance and left spending 120 Hrv.

In Penthaus I went to takeout one girl specifically. I bought the girl a drink and then just as we were discussing her leaving she said she had to leave as the guy she plans to marry (a punter) had just come in. She was not lying. Poor guy, she was very willing to leave and told me he has been in 3 times this week and would not be in tomorrow if I wanted her. So he is engaged to Kristina and he still has to pay to see her in a nightclub! I was annoyed at the time, but sought solace at Rio in the arms of Veronica. She was quite good, owo, we got on well but I did not send SMS after getting her number, just don't have desperate need to see her again.

Solid Gold. Supposed to be $400 for 3 hours and $500 for longer. $300 option for 2 hours was not offered.

In the event after $400 I took Vika and she stayed until morning and did everything. I should not pay this price but advantage with such a quiet club is girls are fresh, eager to please.

Dnipro I went with friend for whom I was a guide. 7 girls here too, but not great lineup. But the little man was in the mood for more action, and I justified paying over the top with telling myself I would get another 19yo eager to please and an extra $100 saved the walk or taxi to Rio, another entry price and probably a drink and another hour of my time til I could leave Rio with a girl. I asked Devochka the cost of takeout to confirm prices were same as my inspection visit last year, but she said discuss with lady. So I said let's go and she said $500. Stupidly I said "no it's only $400" instead of opening with $300. She immediately agreed $400 and I stipulated 4 hours. Once back at the apartment she really got into the sex but denied OWO or DATY and kept trying to stop me touching her. So the outcome was I banged my nuts off, didn't respect her, made her stay til I emptied my load for a 4th time (after a 30-min snooze between rounds 3 and 4 because she was that boring and uncooperative!)

[TheKnight]

how is the weather? I know it's very cold, but is there a lot of ice and snow on the sidewalks of downtown Kiev? I will be arriving in Kiev for the weekend on February 17th, and am trying to travel very light, so I don't want to bring extra footwear or boots unless I have to. Are the sidewalks in downtown Kiev safe to walk on with dress shoes? Or do they have ice and snow all over them, and maybe it's advisable to wear boots or something with some traction on the undersole?

100% you need boots LJ. I've been out here a while and even with boots you're slipping all over. They do a remarkable job cleaning the snow from the roads and pavements, but even so the damp, and occasional thawing of snow (even at. 15c the direct sun and a bit of rock salt can cause some melt) means there are frequent pools of sheet ice. Take a scarf to wrap around your face if you plan on walking outside for longer than 2 or 3 mins, it's been a bit windy and humid a couple of days which is a lethal combination in. 20c temps.

Not much new info but I've been doing some research on some of the lesser visited places in the centre. I convinced a Nosorog girl to see me outside the club, so that's a possibility. Another night saw a visit to Solid Gold. Again I was the only punter in there during my half hour in the place. Also went to the two clubs attached to hotels Ukraina (Velvet) and Dnipro (Millennium) , and Penthaus on Red Army Street with the infamous dwarf in the fake lift which goes nowhere.

Here's a table of my findings:

CLUB ENTRY PRIVATE DANCE TAKE OUT COST.

Nosorog (all venues) 100 200 (promo) and / a.

Solid Gold 100 300 $400.

Penthaus 100 300 $300/2500.

Dnipro 100 400 $400*

Velvet 100 500 and / a.

In Velvet only 1 of the 7 girls was doable, really there's no reason to visit here ever. Had private dance been 200Hrv I would have taken a dance and given my number to Emma, but I had a tea, stayed to watch all 7 girls dance and left spending 120 Hrv.

In Penthaus I went to takeout one girl specifically. I bought the girl a drink and then just as we were discussing her leaving she said she had to leave as the guy she plans to marry (a punter) had just come in. She was not lying. Poor guy, she was very willing to leave and told me he has been in 3 times this week and would not be in tomorrow if I wanted her. So he is engaged to Kristina and he still has to pay to see her in a nightclub! I was annoyed at the time, but sought solace at Rio in the arms of Veronica. She was quite good, owo, we got on well but I did not send SMS after getting her number, just don't have desperate need to see her again.

Solid Gold. Supposed to be $400 for 3 hours and $500 for longer. $300 option for 2 hours was not offered.

In the event after $400 I took Vika and she stayed until morning and did everything. I should not pay this price but advantage with such a quiet club is girls are fresh, eager to please.

Dnipro I went with friend for whom I was a guide. 7 girls here too, but not great lineup. But the little man was in the mood for more action, and I justified paying over the top with telling myself I would get another 19yo eager to please and an extra $100 saved the walk or taxi to Rio, another entry price and probably a drink and another hour of my time til I could leave Rio with a girl. I asked Devochka the cost of takeout to confirm prices were same as my inspection visit last year, but she said discuss with lady. So I said let's go and she said $500. Stupidly I said "no it's only $400" instead of opening with $300. She immediately agreed $400 and I stipulated 4 hours. Once back at the apartment she really got into the sex but denied OWO or DATY and kept trying to stop me touching her. So the outcome was I banged my nuts off, didn't respect her, made her stay til I emptied my load for a 4th time (after a 30-min snooze between rounds 3 and 4 because she was that boring and uncooperative!)

[LilJoey]

I am in Kiev this week. Any wingman?

BeeDiddy, CheekyDancer, Me and You, when you were in Kiev, how is the weather? I know it's very cold, but is there a lot of ice and snow on the sidewalks of downtown Kiev? I will be arriving in Kiev for the weekend on February 17th, and am trying to travel very light, so I don't want to bring extra footwear or boots unless I have to. Are the sidewalks in downtown Kiev safe to walk on with dress shoes? Or do they have ice and snow all over them, and maybe it's advisable to wear boots or something with some traction on the undersole?

[Maxilian]

I am in Kiev this week. Any wingman?

Just arrived in Kiev. Checked in a bit late. Tomorrow perhaps.

[Vostro000]

I really want to go to KIev but am a bit worried since I can't speak Russian, How safe is it if you don't speak the language?

[Me and You]

I am there on the 12th if you fancy a beer.

I am in Kiev this week. Any wingman?

[CheekyDancer]

Anyone going to Kiev next week? Would be interested in "exploring" with a wingman.

I am there on the 12th if you fancy a beer.

[LilJoey]

Hi Liljoey,

I was in Madrid at the end of November. I was in "vive club" very close to santiago bernabau stadium. It was Saturday night and there were around 30-40 girls. Half of them 7/8. Ukranian, Romanian, brasil, spanish and cyprus. I tried one ukranian one Romanian and one cyprus. Sex was good. All of them were kissing and oral without condom. The price is 110 euro for one sex. May be high but I think worth to it. Entrance is free. I didn't drink alcohol but a bottle of water was 10 euro. You don't need to buy drinks for girls. They are walking or dancing around the bar you just go and talk to them to be sure about their services. The rooms available in the club. Not very fancy but quiet ok.

No need to pick up the girls to hotel. That is what I like.

People told me club vive is the best in madrid about this concept. If you have any further questions, I am happy to help you. I read your Kiev reports everyday with pleasure and planning to go there this spring.

Take care.

Regards,

Naykan

Just so you keep perspective and appreciate the low prices possible in Kiev, the "Vive Madrid" club price you referred to as "110 Euro for one sex" ($145 USD) is the price there for a half hour session, while an hour session would be 200 Euro ($263 USD in today's exchange rates) in that high priced club. By comparison, in Kiev there generally is no half hour sessions for outcall escorts and the price for an hour With a hot girl can be as low as 600 UAH ($75 USD / 57 Euro) , and a standard amount in Kiev for many girls is 800 UAH ($100 USD / 76 Euro). [Some ads in Kiev for girls at 400 UAH ($50 USD / 38 Euro) per hour, but it's not likely to be a hottie of 7 or above, so I won't consider it. ]

So compare!

200 Euro / hour = Vive Madrid Club, Madrid

120 Euro / hour = Factory Air, Madrid

57 Euro / hour = Kiev girls (mamba, top-modals, etc)

76 Euro / hour = Kiev girls (mamba, top-modals, etc)

So if you liked club Vive Madrid with its high prices, you're going to love Kiev where the girls are hot and the prices are a third of the cost of what you paid in Madrid.

LJ

[BeeDiddy]

Anyone going to Kiev next week? Would be interested in "exploring" with a wingman.

[LilJoey]

Interested in model types and have mongered lightly around the globe. Price is not that important but beauty (model types meaning beautiful face and body. Sometimes like voluptuous sometimes little skinny). ******* I got hit on mamba by two seemingly non-pros. Nothing in their profile suggests semi's as well. Carried out lengthy conversations and now have a date with both of them on 2 different evenings. Yikes! Haven't had a freebie since before marriage and don't really care for freebies in general. Time and emotional issues (the only area my SO services well). One of them is hot the other is very pretty but plump (would never pay for that) , what do I do? Need my evenings to hit the model type pussy but prospect of sex with someone who is into it for sake of sex is quite tempting. Both want lingerie and I have dropped multiple hints on seeing them in it and they both haven't said no but have been coy! HELP!

You want to know what to do with the two mamba freebies? Don't give them a moment of your precious evening time in your short Kiev weekend, because they will cock block you from having sex with the beautiful working girls you came to Kiev for. Only meet with these two mamba freebie girls during the daytime, work your magic, invite them for the lingerie session like you suggested, and if you don't get into their pants right away, cut them loose and tell them you will see them again next trip. Remember dating freebies is at the expense of fucking working girls who don't waste your time. You need to balance how much time you are willing to give a potential freebie girl, against how much time you need for the p4p with Kiev's hotties, lest you leave Kiev all backed up and blue balls. LOL

Very sound advice from my old friend LJ and GT also. But bear in mind some genuine girls have day time jobs and cannot meet in the day. I met my last 2 GFs on Mamba. 100% genuine freebies. Met first girl in the evening, didn't have sex first night, we parted around 0130 and I went to Rio as I recall. Second girl bedded on first night!

Well, ok, Bunty5269, since it will be worth it for other newbies to read, and in deference to the comment by TheKnight, I will revise my answer to you as follows:

If you are as good looking and smooth talking as TheKnight in chasing devushkas, then you may spend some of your THREE evenings in Kiev on your hopeful freebies too, if they are truly not available during the daytime (when it is easier to go shopping with them as GT suggested). But try to bring things to a head in the early evening, so there will still be time for p4p at Rio, if your freebie refuses sex on that date. Don't let her cock block you completely from having sex at all that night. You only have three action nights in Kiev during your weekend there.

Therefore, if you do meet with freebie date in the evening, make it as early in the evening as possible, and try to conduct matters so that you can find out by no later than 9:00pm or 10:00pm if you are getting into her pants that night. I would caution you to keep your eye on the clock, because you will need to get into Rio club by no later than around 10:00pm in order to effectively monger there in your first visits.

There is an advised procedure described in detail in prior posts, which you should read, for how to conduct yourself at Rio in order to find a date in Rio that is most likely to be a GFE. Please note that it necessarily takes some time. Please also note that the closing time at Rio strip club is at 5:00am, and most girls will want to return from your apartment to the Rio club to collect their share of money. Because of this a 3 hour minimum date with a Rio girl must usually begin by 2:00am. Generally, you will find that after 2:00am, many of the girls in Rio will say that they cannot stay with you for the full 3 hours as they must return to the Rio club by 5:00am, or they may say it is too late for a date because they must go home at 5:00am to get sleep before whatever they have to do the next day (some attend university during the day). It has been sometimes possible for one of us mongers to get a Rio girl to agree to stay at our apartment past 5:00am, but that is the exception, not the rule. So after 2:00am in Rio, you will be faced with the choice of being short-changed on the time because you will have to pay $300 even though you will only have 2. 5 hours or 2 hours (depending on how much time is left until 5:00am from the time you leave the Rio club with the girl to go to your apartment) , and if you don't wish to be short-changed on the time, and you can't get the girl you found to agree to stay with you longer than 5:00am, you will go home empty-handed from Rio, blue balls and cock blocked by the freebie girl with whom you improvidently used up important mongering time earlier that evening.

Only guys like TheKnight can breeze into Rio at 1:30am and scoop up a hottie and have a three hour date or longer, (either because he left by 2:00am, or he got the girl to agree to stay after 5:00am). He knows lots of the girls from before, has done the research and interviewing on many of them already in the past, so he knows a fair number of girls that are good for him already, and he is in a position to strike immediately if one of his previous Rio conquests is available. You are in a different position, this being your first time. And you will need sufficient time at Rio prior to 2:00am, to adequately view the line up in as many of the three bars as you choose to, and try out those girls of interest to you with interviews and private dances, in order to decide whom to proposition about coming home with you, and then find the one that will agree to come, as that too is by no means a given.

There's no doubt that a freebie conquest is sweeter to most guys than a p4p session. Statistically, if you have unlimited time to hit on freebie girls, you will eventually succeed in scoring a certain portion of times. But you don't have unlimited time in Kiev, and so statistically, you can certainly fail to score in three nights of hitting on freebies. In this scenario of limited time, choices have to be made, and you have to place your bets where you have the greatest likelihood of a score within the allotted time period.

[TheKnight]

This was a kick in the pants I needed! I am now looking for Rio hotties in the forum, along with Dlux and Buddha Bar.

B

Very sound advice from my old friend LJ and GT also. But bear in mind some genuine girls have day time jobs and cannot meet in the day. I met my last 2 GFs on Mamba. 100% genuine freebies. Met first girl in the evening, didn't have sex first night, we parted around 0130 and I went to Rio as I recall. Second girl bedded on first night!

[Naykan]

BB, I was asking you for a pointed reason. I will be in Madrid for the evening of Monday, February 20. If 50 Euro / hr girls who are 8's or 9's are available for p4p in Madrid, I would like very much to know where and when! That a guy who works and lives in Spain can get student girls and young mothers for p4p at the rate of 50 Euro / hr, doesn't help a visiting monger on a short visit without further specifics and direction. One needs need to know specifically where to go (if there is a club, bar or brothel where these young students / mothers are available for 50 Euros / hr) , or the internet address (if there is a website where they advertise). Otherwise the vague assertion that it's possible for somebody who lives there is not applicable or useful in practical terms.

Failing more specifics about cheaper p4p in Madrid, I need to follow the info available on the Madrid thread on this forum, and will probably go to Flowers Park or Factory Air clubs where the asking price is around 150 Euro per hour but can sometimes be negotiated downward, especially if booking longer than 1 hour. Or I will try out some of the website girls like on photoescorts. Com who are good looking enough to meet my standards (8's or above) even though they are asking 150 Euro / hr. And I will see if the pics are accurate or bait and switch like in Kiev. There are a number of places mentioned in the Madrid thread where you can get girls for 50 Euro for half an hour. But that translates into 100 Euro per hour. And they don't look so hot. Most internet escorts in Madrid who look really good are seeking 150 Euro per hour. My impression has been that for really hot girls on the level of an 8 or 9, prices are significantly higher in Madrid than what is possible in Kiev, where internet escorts are advertising prices of 400 UAH ($50) or 600 UAH ($75) per hour (whose pics may admittedly be fake) and Rio strip club girls are available at $300/3 hours ($100 / hr rate). So please teach me and show me the way to find the hotties in Madrid at lower prices than Kiev or Warsaw. I will truly be glad to be corrected in this matter.

Yes, Poland is very interesting to me too, and some of the gals on odloty. Pl and other websites asking 150 zloty / hour ($50) are pretty hot. I don't know if the pics are accurate or fake like in Kiev, though. Warsaw and Krakow are definitely on my list of places to check out.

Hi Liljoey,

I was in Madrid at the end of November. I was in "vive club" very close to santiago bernabau stadium. It was Saturday night and there were around 30-40 girls. Half of them 7/8. Ukranian, Romanian, brasil, spanish and cyprus. I tried one ukranian one Romanian and one cyprus. Sex was good. All of them were kissing and oral without condom. The price is 110 euro for one sex. May be high but I think worth to it. Entrance is free. I didn't drink alcohol but a bottle of water was 10 euro. You don't need to buy drinks for girls. They are walking or dancing around the bar you just go and talk to them to be sure about their services. The rooms available in the club. Not very fancy but quiet ok.

No need to pick up the girls to hotel. That is what I like.

People told me club vive is the best in madrid about this concept. If you have any further questions, I am happy to help you. I read your Kiev reports everyday with pleasure and planning to go there this spring.

Take care.

Regards,

Naykan

[Hbengkok]

My brother works in Spain. He tells me he gets student girls and young mothers for 50€ all the time. He also tells me that you can get plain Chinese women for 20€ in Spain.

With a 40% unemployment rate amongst people younger than 30 years old, cheap p4p can now be found in Europe. One doesn't need to go to Rio de Janeiro or Bangkok.

Plus Spain has lots of brothels everywhere.

What you say about Poland is interesting. Girls are beautiful and passionate there. With their economy doing pretty well, I was expecting a rise in prices.

Like Liliejoy said, you must be specific about where to get those women / girls, bro. Maybe smaller cities not in Madrid? Or street girls?