Kyiv

[KY694]

Day 1.

My first date was with a blonde semi pro or non pro. Very very slim. Around 172 cm tall. Look 24-27 years old.

She does not speak any English. We could not communicate well but she did not show frustration. Good attitude.

We started with a lot of cuddling and kissing. I liked it a lot.

Blowjob was only covered. She kissed very well and we kissed a lot.

(Details on the Fetish, skip next few lines if you don't like kissing:

She used her tongue to massage my tongue everywhere. We sucked on each other. She even push her tongue deep into my mouth. She satisfied every single fetish I want in a kiss).

69 with her was very fun. She is a sensitive girl. Every time I hit on the right spot, she has this involuntary contraction of the ass muscle and legs. (just 1-2 contraction as a reflex, not the continuous contraction in orgasms). I have to say it is very fun to watch.

That's one reason why I like semi-pro / non-pro: they are sensitive and they don't need to fake it. Pro in FKK have to take so many guys in a day, either they are not sensitive anymore, or they don't let you touch their sensitive parts.

Sex was good. I kissed her in every positions whenever possible. I love her kisses.

Agreed on 3000 UAH for 2 hours, it was only 1-1. 5 hours. But it was late (3 am). We were both tired. I am fine with the shorter time. And for me the kissing well worths the 3000 UAH.

The problem with this girl is that she does not speak English at all. Whatever I learned about Russian is not good enough to sustain a small talk. It was an kinda-awkward silence while she was waiting for taxi.

Note to myself, it is a big plus if the girl knows English, I am willing to pay more UAH to date someone who knows English.

Day 2.

Chat up with another girl on mamba. She told me she was a semi-pro: university student but part-time escort. From the photo she sent, she may not be a stunner, but she is cute. I also feel like she is going to be a nice girl. More importantly, she wrote in good English and only take 1000 UAH / hour + taxi. Wanting to try someone who speaks good English, I opted for her.

She said she is 19 years old. It matches her baby face and the fact that she is still in Uni. She looks like 17 when she smiles with her baby face.

I got a lot of french kissing from her. Very sympathetic girl.

She was a working girl, I did not go down on her. It was basically kiss + BJ + sex.

She has big boobs, when I sucked on one of the boobs, she took initiative to suck her other boobs.

She worked hard to ride me. I was thinking if she is going to break the bed. LOL. I did not want to stop her and I cum in the condom pretty soon.

Sex was only 20 minutes. I cummed too fast.

Then she said "excuse me" and started violently rubbing her own clit until orgasm a few minutes later. I was stunned. I joined in with kissing and touching while she helped herself.

For the rest of the one hour, we talk about her life, university, dorm life with other girls, her ex, problems for girls in Ukraine.

I was touching her naked body the whole time. It was a good decision to book someone who speaks English.

It was a nice hour and I paid her tips rounding up 1300 or 1400 UAH in total.

After that, she proposed to walk with me. That was very cute and nice of her to offer that. We ended up walking around Kiev for almost an hour, she showed me the local shops, her favourite restaurants and whatever came to her mind. No touching or holding hand whatsoever during the walk. Just respectful friends. It was a good evening.

Day 3.

I decided to use the agency service. Just to try different things.

I got a number before my trip. But you can also find different numbers on websites.

http://relaxkiev.com/eng/

http://intimportal.net

Go for the numbers which are used by multiple girls, they are agencies. You can text them all on viber and asked them to send you photos. Multiple different numbers may belong to the same agencies, but only one number will send you photo then. Just ask for the photo first, no need to commit for a booking at this stage.

The dispatcher I asked is helpful and nice. Good service.

You will get photo from the dispatcher, but faces are not shown. 2200 UAH for an hour. Prices vary depending on the agencies, but I heard that 2200 UAH girl are basically the same as 2000 UAH. Small price difference does not guarantee better quality.

I asked for 3 girls for me to choose 1. Turned out they thought there were 2 men and we would take 2 out of 3 or something.

When I said I only want 1, at first they were confused and then annoyed.

The dispatcher probably woke them up at 2 am and made them get ready for me.

In hindsight, I should have given some tips to the girls I sent back. The girl I picked was upset because I made her friends unhappy. It is better to stay at girls' good side.

Out of the 3, only one of them I found cute (the one I picked) 7-8/10, the other 2 were fairly average 5/10, not worth 2200 UAH.

I like her body. No huge boobs, I am not interested in huge boobs anyway. But she has a tight body and natural standing boobs. Slim and nice butt. Probably 21-25 years old.

No French kissing, no pussy-eating, no fingering, basically blowjob and fuck only. I did not ask for deep throat or anal. I was not interested, but I imagine the answer will be no also.

She started with a covered blowjob. I wanted to kiss her body first, but she does not speak any English, so I gave up arguing with her.

Turned out the blowjob was great. In FKK, I would count myself lucky to get a 5 minute BJ continuously. Here she gave me an at-least 10 minutes BJ, maybe even much longer.

She closed her eye when we were in missionary style. (I don't feel like staring if she sees me) I had the luxury to stare at her flawless cute face for the whole time. It was very enjoyable.

Compared to the two girls before, she is obviously a professional. She grind her pussy on me when we fucked, it was so hot. She rode me well and she can also do this trick of pussy muscle contraction. She was good, I was hard but I could not cum. In the last 15 minutes, I was banging her in doggie style. I sweated so much (it is winter, imagine how hard I worked) that her back is complete wet from my sweat. In FKK, the girl will either push you away if you cannot cum after a long time, or complain about it, or at least give you a bitchy face. To be honest, 30 minutes of non-stop hard pounding, it is fair for the girl to complain that she is tired. But with this girl, she did not show the slightest dismay. I appreciate the professionalism there.

In term of skills, I cannot complain much. Yet, personally, I found myself not so much into pro girls. After this night, it was clear to me that I should focus on mamba and tinder.

[KY694]

Happy New year everyone.

I am a newbie and it was my first and only time in Kiev.

First of all, I got a lot of help on ISG, thank you so much. And therefore I am also writing these reports aiming to help newbies like myself.

If you are veterans in Kiev, you may want to skip my posts from here. Newbies please continue.

To start with, I was genuinely confused if Kiev is a heaven or not after reading this forum. There were people who loves Kiev, also some who thinks Kiev does not worth a trip on ISG.

There were posts which say Kiev is heaven, you will get model-type non pro for a cheap price; There were also posts which say Kiev is hopeless, go to Germany where it will be easier.

After my trip, I think the best way to conclude it is that it really depends on what you are looking for, how long will you stay and efforts you will put. Your personal preference determines if Kiev is heaven or a boring place for you.

If you are having a long-term stay in Kiev OR rich OR handsome OR speak Russian OR spending a lot of time working on girls on mamba / in malls / cafes, you significantly increase the quality of your game. Someone who travels to Kiev 10 times, doing 5 hours of work for each trip, will sum up to 50 hours of homework. If you are a one time tourist, of course it is hard to do comparable amount of work. Let's face it, girls prefer handsome / rich / long term / Russian-speaking sponsors. That's normal.

Frequent travellers to Kiev will have all the advantages the rest of us won't have. Please do not expect the same good experience as the veterans on ISG / Kiev forum.

Having said that, these conditions are NOT necessary for a good trip. I went there one time for a short time, I am not rich nor handsome and I had a good time.

Okay, You may not get a 10 for a 1500 UAH. But If you spend time to work on your game, you will have a good time for a fair price. More importantly, you will get semi-pro / non-pro that are rare / impossible / expensive in places like Germany. Let me explain below.

Tinder.

If you are good looking / looking for long term, Tinder may be useful. Tinder is after all a face-based matching service. You may use fake photo of some handsome dude, but I did not do that and won't do that. I got some matches and replies. But they are mostly sharks for money.

Girls may mention things like they need to go to beauty salon, don't have work, only serve you alone as your GF.

I was quoted 30 k -60 k UAH per month from some hotties. And at least 3-4 K UAH / hour if it is not long term.

One of them asked for 4 K plus 1 gram of drug for 2 hours. HAHA.

But in turn, they provide long term sponsorship and agree to only see one guy at a time.

Think about it, if you are a girl looking for sponsor, tinder is going to be more work (swiping instead of waiting for messages) than mamba. If you are a girl on tinder, you are looking for a higher reward than mamba.

A lot of these girls have been to Dubai, get spoiled by Arabic guys who pay them 30 K UAH for a week.

If you are rich or seeking long-term sponsorship, Tinder is a very good platform.

If you are using iphone, you can move your GPS to Kiev using the debug function of xcode. Then you can use tinder before your trip. Yes, it means you need to connect to your mac if you want to use tinder. Take 5 minutes a day to swipe.

My experience: Got some hits, but less useless than mamba, but I did not pay for VIP on tinder.

Badoo.

I got some girls genuinely wanted to make friends. I spent hours flirting, that was fine. But as soon as they see your intention, there are no ways to get them to meet. If you are good looking, have time to spend for flirting and want completely non-pro, badoo is for you. It may be easier and less expensive than Tinder, but girls there may not want a sponsor at all. It was a time wasted for me.

There are some genuine girls there. I hope you don't lie and take advantage of them. I will curse you A Ho.

Take care of your hobby, but always be a gentleman.

You can find their insta profiles on badoo. Sometime you can guess if they are up for paid sex on insta.

My experience: very good for making friends, potentially very good for non-pro. UA Girls are quite friendly. For me, useless in term of mongering.

Mamba.

For me, mamba was a painful learning curve. I wasted too much time on it (addicted to checking out girls' profile) without much reward at the beginning.

Some members say you should do your homework a month before. It is completely not necessary. Most girls ignore you anyway if you are not in Kiev. For non-pro and some semi-pro, yes you probably need longer time of homework. If you search a month in advance, your contacts may not be available anymore by the time you reach Kiev (they delete their profiles quite often also). I think 2-4 days homework before your trip is okay, max 2 weeks before your trip (I think I started checking mamba almost 2 months before my trip, LOL, Gosh, stupid me).

You have to purchase the VIP, it helps A LOT, I did not do that at the beginning and wasted a lot of time. Painful lesson learned. It is important to message girls who has unread mails in their inbox, it is even more important to be able to see if the girls want sponsors or not. Just buy a 30 days VIP until the last day of your trip. The VIP is cheap, like 15 USD.

The girls care a lot if you are in Kiev or not. They get so many messages per day, they don't want to talk to someone who will be there next month. In my first 100 messages, I stupidly mentioned that I am not in Kiev now and I will be there in a few weeks. No one replied me. If you are not ready for a meeting soon, they (semi-pro or pro) are absolutely not interested! Don't let them know at the beginning. Get their phone numbers first before they see yours. Some girls ignored me as soon as they see my phone number (not +380 of course).

First, Go for girls who wants sex or wants a sponsor or wants a 50 years old guys. These girls have the highest response rate and it is very easy to get a few phone numbers. I know, I know, they may be pro with fake photo. But it is good to have a few contacts at hand and get an idea of the price range, so that you are not so desperate. Then expand your search to other girls who look more like semi-pro or non-pro. Other girls will ignore you more often. I like mamba, they give you a bar telling you how often does the girl reply.

If you know Russian, writing in Russian will help a lot.

Don't mention the price until you are pressed for it. Better if the girls tell you what they want.

If they tell you to name a price, you can tell a range (E. G 1500-2000 UAH / hour, 3000 UAH for 2 hours, depends on her look and services).

Girls who are online all the time with high response rate are probably pro. Of course, it is not a rule.

[Ross123]

I haven't been to Kiev for a few months, so wasn't aware that Mandarin had closed, probably being somewhat out of town it was never busy, so wasted a journey getting to the place to find out that it had shut down. The adjacent disco club seem to be still open.

Some said that it might open again others said no, my guess is that it will probably remain closed as the place was never that busy.

[PhotoSlider]

Does anybody know why there is only one GIA agency in Kiev?

I think, for our brothers, the selection is too small. Don't you think?

There can be GIA, HIA, IIA, JIA, KIA, LIA. And so on looking at how many women in Kiev are in this sex business?

Must be pipeline capacity on consumer side:

On average GIA employs 30 providers. $150-210 range for the first hour, and $500-800 for 24 hours. How many customers are in this market niche? Doubt there's enough to saturate GIA, and generate demand for additional competitors or franchises. Whenever I call, there are waiting and willing GIA ladies. Cash flow dictates the numbers.

Those of us, even with sufficient funds, feeling GIA selection is limited, may always diversify into the wild world of numerous cheaper (or not) agencies, that do not have quality assurance in place.

GIA does have its own challenges, but to a much lesser extent. Its resources are managed for sure.

Another reason for being the only one of a kind must be the nature of protection. The word says it's police or something equally powerful. Perhaps it is convenient to work with single entity, instead of multiple shops.

There must be other closed supply channels for high-rollers at different levels, GIA is tried-and-true and easily available.

[Coyle]

Does anybody know why there is only one GIA agency in Kiev?

I think, for our brothers, the selection is too small. Don't you think?

There can be GIA, HIA, IIA, JIA, KIA, LIA. And so on looking at how many women in Kiev are in this sex business?

I am not OK with paying for extra curriculum activities, not even in the heat of the moment. Prefer to get it complimentary, as the action unfolds, and do not negotiate beforehand, during or after. My philosophy is simple: I do whatever the lady likes on her own terms, certainly within the reasonable limits, aesthetically speaking. Fortunately, at some level, ladies in Kiev like what they are doing, especially if treated nicely.

GIA for 24 hours currently starts at 15000 UAH, that's $22/ hour, plus paying for food, drinks, and optional entertainment, and I'm fine with these extra-expenses. That's better than gambling with random beauties from "relax" portal while finding an escort companion to go to Theater, and then paying 3-4-5 times $70-80/ hour for god-only-knows-who = $200-300 for few hours and maybe 3-4 shots. GIA's progressive scale definitely makes sense to me, but it's not for everybody. I do not do this for mating (as critical as it is), communication is important, and Kiev excels in that department.

Even not the very best GIA girls justified the investment. It is better than Rio for my needs.

I also hear that mamba can be sometimes comparable in quality for significantly less money, and much more time spent during courtship.

Agree. GIA has certain quality assurance.

[PhotoSlider]

Arrived in Kiev, people are getting ready to celebrate the New Year. Decided to stop by Darling Disco next to Arena City to check out the local talent before getting some supplies at the Billa Market nearby. Only five girls working, all shapes and sizes available but couldn't find anything to tickle my fancy. A couple of months ago, prices were 1900 & 2300 depending on the girl, now the administrator said prices are 2000 & 3000 depending on the girl. I highly doubt the more expensive girls would give any better service.

You said it yourself: Holidays! Supply-demand ratio on the market is not in your favor.

You are also correct in stating that more expensive doesn't necessarily mean significantly better. IMHO, here is what it means: if you take 10 girls, your chances for enjoyment might be somewhat higher, but not proportionally to the cost. 1500 UAH is better than 800 for sure, however 1500,1800, 1900,2000- are all the same. 3000-5000 may have more expensive clothes, manicure + iPhone X. And poor performance, as they may not be interested in repeat customer, - quite often more expensive ones are interested in ditching the trick as quick as possible in order to get to fishing again.

[UrbanCowboy22]

Arrived in Kiev, people are getting ready to celebrate the New Year. Decided to stop by Darling Disco next to Arena City to check out the local talent before getting some supplies at the Billa Market nearby. Only five girls working, all shapes and sizes available but couldn't find anything to tickle my fancy. A couple of months ago, prices were 1900 & 2300 depending on the girl, now the administrator said prices are 2000 & 3000 depending on the girl. I highly doubt the more expensive girls would give any better service.

[PhotoSlider]

This is marketing trick. GIA does not want one-hour bookings. They want longers stays. Four-hour stay ranged between $87 and $138, which is still high but bearable.

If you switch to the Russian language, you will see prices in UAH. The range between 7500 and 12000 UAH per 4 hrs. Today USD = 27.8 UAH. I guess you could buy it for 1:26. It makes $72 to $115 per hour. This is not too bad if you are OK with the basic service. But CIM will add $38 USD and GREEK $77. Ridiculously overpriced comparable with indy or "hidden" agencies...

I am not OK with paying for extra curriculum activities, not even in the heat of the moment. Prefer to get it complimentary, as the action unfolds, and do not negotiate beforehand, during or after. My philosophy is simple: I do whatever the lady likes on her own terms, certainly within the reasonable limits, aesthetically speaking. Fortunately, at some level, ladies in Kiev like what they are doing, especially if treated nicely.

GIA for 24 hours currently starts at 15000 UAH, that's $22/ hour, plus paying for food, drinks, and optional entertainment, and I'm fine with these extra-expenses. That's better than gambling with random beauties from "relax" portal while finding an escort companion to go to Theater, and then paying 3-4-5 times $70-80/ hour for god-only-knows-who = $200-300 for few hours and maybe 3-4 shots. GIA's progressive scale definitely makes sense to me, but it's not for everybody. I do not do this for mating (as critical as it is), communication is important, and Kiev excels in that department.

Even not the very best GIA girls justified the investment. It is better than Rio for my needs.

I also hear that mamba can be sometimes comparable in quality for significantly less money, and much more time spent during courtship.

Agree. GIA has certain quality assurance.

[PhotoSlider]

...Booking GIA you pay huge extra for the predictable girl and predictable service. It doesn't mean "better girl" or "better service." It means no gambling.

And "better chance" to have her as one of your true girlfriends if chemistry is right. Happened more than once. GIA treats girls as human beings, not as milking machines. It leaves them the right to decide. Good business model, generating enough money for everybody on the provider's side.

Call girls arriving from web portals are closely watched. Often their phones are checked. Freelancing is out of the question most of the time, even if you get their phone number.

[Jymondor]

GIA, I was looking at prices. Prices now range from $200-300, for one hour. That is insane price to have sex with a average girl. You add in Travel Expenses, then you run into crazy prices. Be careful.

This is marketing trick. GIA does not want one-hour bookings. They want longers stays. Four-hour stay ranged between $87 and $138, which is still high but bearable.

If you switch to the Russian language, you will see prices in UAH. The range between 7500 and 12000 UAH per 4 hrs. Today USD = 27.8 UAH. I guess you could buy it for 1:26. It makes $72 to $115 per hour. This is not too bad if you are OK with the basic service. But CIM will add $38 USD and GREEK $77. Ridiculously overpriced comparable with indy or "hidden" agencies.

Booking GIA you pay huge extra for the predictable girl and predictable service. It doesn't mean "better girl" or "better service." It means no gambling.

[DramaFree11]

GIA, I was looking at prices. Prices now range from $200-300, for one hour. That is insane price to have sex with a average girl. You add in Travel Expenses, then you run into crazy prices. Be careful.

By the way, I fucked Ksyusha twice. The first time she was very proud and independent and the last time she gave birth to a child.

And if the first time I saw discontent on her face when my sperm accidentally hit her in the eye now she works as an African on the plantations of the southern states. Because she needs to feed her child. I had her in the mouth and fucked her hard in a doggy pose and much more and made her lick and suck my balls. She seemed to me more submissive. Obviously she values her work in the agency.

[NorskKing]

We all have very different tastes, and it is very personal. And we cannot judge each other for our tastes.

We will never agree on one rank list comparing Kiev, S. America and Germany.

I can't agree more on this. I have similar impression on FKK and my taste in girls also similar. People have to experiment more to find out what they like, and since one likes something, does not mean that everyone necessarily will. I have been too Kiev once on business visit. I never try street action. My experience was average (sorry, did not remember to post that report here). I also think that the sex price / GDP ratio is way too much here. But probably I haven't tried it all.

[KY694]

I know only one agency in Kiev. This is GIA (KEA is the same). It is significantly overpriced over market average, but girls are good and service is predictable. Do you know another reputable agency in Kiev other than GIA?

Other agencies are unforunately not as "reputable" as GIA. The quality can be more unpredictable I am guessing.

But you can ask the agency if they can send you 3 girls for you to choose 1.

I did that (the 2 other girls were not happy, maybe you can pay them a small tips to stay on girls' good side).

The rate is 2000-2200 UAH per hour.

It may not replace GIA for you, but it is an alternative.

I am not an expert in the agency game tho.

Other bros on this forum are real warriors. Let them tell you more.

[Tomek123]

I know only one agency in Kiev. This is GIA (KEA is the same). It is significantly overpriced over market average, but girls are good and service is predictable. Do you know another reputable agency in Kiev other than GIA?

This is because they are obviously forced to pay a lot of corrupt officials for the opportunity to work. Prostitution is outlawed in Ukraine. So the sum of these bribes as we understand is automatically included in the cost of the girls. If prostitution had become legal then in the same Kharkov it would have been 3-4 agencies such as Gia and maybe even better and cheaper. And even in Poltava or Chernigov. But this is still impossible.

[Tomek123]

I don't feel Gia is significantly over priced. I enjoyed my sessions, the girls were really into it. I suspect that even seasoned Kiev mongers scan the site regularly for just the right girl. If an escort like Ksusha comes fresh out of the gate at 19 sucking dick bare back full of raging teen hormones, who in their right mind would not pay that extra Benjamin for the convenience?

By the way, I fucked Ksyusha twice. The first time she was very proud and independent and the last time she gave birth to a child.

And if the first time I saw discontent on her face when my sperm accidentally hit her in the eye now she works as an African on the plantations of the southern states. Because she needs to feed her child. I had her in the mouth and fucked her hard in a doggy pose and much more and made her lick and suck my balls. She seemed to me more submissive. Obviously she values her work in the agency.