Kyiv

[Member #4243]

Firstly to nile for your strange comment yes I do seek alot of info on these boards but I would hardly call 4 trips to frankfurt / 1 to zurich / 1 to berlin / 1 to cologne and dusseldorf the dreamer or whatever it is you are trying to imply that I am.

Anyway liljoey I will attempt to give you some intelligent feedback on your comments. Firstly the reason I am being so precise about what I can and cannot spend in Rio is because as you know I am still hoping to do this trip around end of March / April so with all my

Savings I have an exact budget of 2600 pounds english. To cover daily living expenses / appartment rental 70us / nite / whizz air luton / and 7 loads of take out at Rio. The 50 dollar plan would be ideal but you mentioned a figure of 600 uah which I think I may just be able to.

Meet. This in itself is good news as the Rio expenses barrier may have caused me to forget Kiev altogether. Mamba for me is a definite no. Due to not knowing what may or may not arrive at my door and also telephone calls etc. I always like a set up where I can see.

The girls first then choose. The whole point of going to Kiev for me is to find a type of beauty not commonly found in fkk clubs and also the whole Kiev experience is quite adventurous for me. Anything less than 7 encounters would deem the trip uneconomical for me.

As 7 take outs by 2 hours of quality time with the babes equals 14 hours making the voyage to Kiev breakeven in terms of money invested versus quality time with the girls. Also the reason why I cannot do a whizz air to koln as a stopover is simply because I will just

Not have the energy to do such a stopover. A normal trip is tiring enough for me as I have been recovering from some medical problems the last few years.anything longer than one day or night in fkk land would cause my budget to go through the roof. For now there are just two issues I need some feedback on? Out of seven nights for what possible reason

Might I not be able to take a girl out if I have a nice attitude and dollars as you said I may not be able to meet my 7 night take out goal? Finally having explained that I am in Kiev for real Russian beauties and mamba is not for me other options such as dlux / buddabar.

Agencies such as gia etc. None of these offer the same bang for buck as Rio does in terms of girl beauty levels and price compared / ie 300 dollars or 200 pounds for 2-3 hours versus very high nightclub rates or girls that are not as attractive in the escort agencies.

To put it bluntly having studied this forum I have concluded Rio is by far the best place to go to in Kiev and that is my main reason for coming to Kiev. what other options would you seriously consider LJ? (with relations to making it 6 nites instead of 7 i could do 6 nites with one of them being an allniter for 400 hence saving 200 dollars for drinks etc on other nites?)

[LilJoey]

Ok so far I have stated I wish to visit Kiev for a new location and beautiful Russian and ukranian girls as a change to fkk land. In order to make the trip worthwhile I have come to the conclusion that 7 nights with 7 take outs for 3 hours at Rio would be the way to go.

Rio for its convenience and ease for a first time visitor to Kiev and hot babes. I am a mature student in the uk and before embarking on such a trip I have to account for and budget for every last dollar or uah I will spend. I do not have the luxury of being able to.

Throw an extra 100 dollars or 3 or 400 uah on unplanned expenses should they arise. For this reason I need to have a very clear idea of what I will or be expected to spend on extra's in Rio club. At the moment I have put aside a budget of around 50 dollars or approx.

500 uah to cover entrance, dance. One tip. 2 soft drinks. This times 7 visits to the club would amount to approx 350 dollars or around 200 pounds. This amount I can budget for and would deem acceptable for a few hours of fun in the club before I take a girl out.

However after reading some recent reports it seems you may need to tip 100 twice / buy girls drinks / possibly need to have more than one dance and that a drinks bill can reach 500/600 uah. Even though I don't drink alcohol the daily extra's total could easily be

Increased to 70 dollars into 7 visits this would amount 490 dollars or approx. 330 pounds. This is where the problem arises for me. Not only do I not have a budget to cover such an amount the whole economics of a visit to Kiev and Rio start not to add up when you

Break the costs down as compared to other destinations. I DO however want to visit Kiev and I DO love the Russian type girls AND there are dirt cheap flights from england. The advice I need from members especially liljoey is would my initial 50 dollar plan to include.

One 100 tip / one dance / entrance / soft drink not only work but be accepted by the management within Rio or even better is it possible to pay the entrance, have 1 or 2 soft drinks and take the girl of your choice out with NONE of the extras already mentioned.

Again a big thankyou for all feedback

I hadn't seen this post when I wrote my initial response. You have noted some of the factors that show that $50 is not sufficient for functioning optimally in Rio on any given evening, even if everything goes right, because you will need additional than 400 UAH, in order to also buy yourself a soft drink, and possibly the girl a drink. You yourself have noted this, so why are you back to asking if it's possible to do it with 400 UAH per night at the end of your post?

The answer is no $50 which is 400 UAH will not suffice. That's only enough for the entrance, a tip to one manager, and one private dance. It will cost a little more for a soft drink for you. And a little more for a drink for the girl which MAY come up, but not always does. So a better estimate of the cost per night is a minimum of around 500 to 600 UAH. Then of course as you yourself noted, it may be necessary to go to a different room to see the line up there if the first line up doesn't present what you are looking for, and there may be the need for a second or third private dance.

I think that if you are so limited by budgetary concerns, that you should NOT dismiss the mamba. Ru and top-modals. Com options from daytime consideration. These options will allow for sex with a girl for possibly an hourly rate of 600 UAH ($75) or 800 UAH ($100) with discounts for multiple hours possible. Although it will take time and you may have to send away those girls whose appearance is not to your liking, it is probable that with some persistence you will have a hot ukrainian girl coming to your door, and the sex will be good. This sex will cost much less than at Rio and will lessen the strain on your budget.

I would also recommend that you lessen the number of nights you do take out at Rio to lower than 7 nights, so that you can have a better time of it on the other nights you do take out from there. What this means is that you should let yourself spend what is necessary to get the girl you want at Rio on the initial nights you go there, with the understanding that if the incidental costs are more than the minimums you budgeted for originally that you will simply eliminate one of the 7 nights for take out and the $300 take out fee plus the 600 UAH ($75) incidental fees associated with that 1 night at Rio will then be available to distribute over the other 6 nights there to pay for excess incidental costs. 6 great sex experiences (if you are lucky) is also a very good trip. The tension in your budget is caused by your straining to have 7 nights of take out. Just back it off to 6 nights of take out and you will be fine, it would seem.

Also, why not rent an apartment right next door or within 1 block of Rio, so that you can eliminate taxi costs, and it will not be too far for the girl to walk in high heels.

Lastly, I think you are making a mistake not considering the daytime stop in Cologne and a side trip to a nearby fkk in that area. You are familiar with the fkk experience. It is good and it is intense, far more intense than what you will have in Kiev. Even if you succeed in Kiev with all nights having a pretty girl come home with you, it is still much LESS sex than the same amount of time spent in the fkk. So the fkk is where you can stop off for the afternoon and bang 3 or 4 more girls until sexual exhaustion is achieved and get back to the airport for a 9pm flight to london gatwick on easyjet. Com. That's what I would do. The flights on wizzair. Com from Kiev zhulyany to cologne cost the same as Kiev zhulyany to london luton, so the only extra expense is the easyjet flight from cologne to london gatwick which is around 27. 99 Euro plus 11 Euro for 1 checked bag, or around a total of $55.

LJ

[LilJoey]

Again I hope to visit Kiev in the hope of finding the most beautiful girls as a change to fkk world. My budget will not allow me to do a combination fkk / Kiev trip so I really want to get this right. Although my trip is a way off still as thanks I will report fully with info for 1st.

Time Kiev visitors as a thanks. There are some fine details which may seem trivial but will make a big difference as I plan this trip; ; ;

1) I have read of large bills of 500/600 just for drinks. I don't drink alcohol. Given I will be in the Rio club for 2/3 hours and assuming I will be taking a girl out will the following spend plan within the club be suitable for my time in there; entrance + 1 private dance +

100uah tip (is one tip enough to one manager?) +2 soft drinks. This would come to around 50 dollars per visit to the club. Also are the entrance fee / dance / drinks etc paid in dollars or uah?

2) for a 3 hour "take out" am I right in thinking you need to put 1 hour aside for travelling to and fro the club giving you 2 hours quality time with the girls?

3) would I look odd visiting the club 7 nights consecutively taking a girl out each night or is this normal with men on vacation and similar?

4) I have read some girls do not like walking in the kreshtacik road area due to police etc / most flats for rent are near this road / is this a problem or would you as a rule be getting a taxi to and from Rio?

5) finally I am planning 7 nights in Kiev does Rio have a lively atmosphere even on a Sunday / Monday / Tuesday as well as the weekends especially in relation to number of girls present?

6) many thanks mohab

From the way you are writing and the simplistic questions you are asking, it seems that you have a difficulty assimilating the facts you know into a rational plan that incorporates adaptability to the known possible changing circumstances you might encounter. No amount of advice will assist you in actualizing a plan if you cannot adapt to the changing circumstances as they occur.

Bearing this in mind, there is a significant degree of likelihood that on some of the 7 nights of bliss that you are planning for in Rio, that you will fail to achieve your objective and will not take home a pretty girl from Rio those nights. Since you don't seem inclined to utilize the other alternatives in Kiev, this would likely mean no sex that day. It's hard to forecast what your Rio experience will be like, but this will be your first time, so plan to succeed, but be prepared for failure to occur sometimes, chiefly due to your seemingly rigid budgetary guidelines, and inability to see yourself adapting and deviating from those guidelines for the sake of scoring.

Mohab, you're not thinking clearly. You are proposing to go to Kiev and take girls from Rio on each of 7 consecutive nights at $300 a pop, and to spending no more than $50 (400 UAH) in Rio on the incidental other charges, because you consider bills of 500 or 600 UAH too large for your budget.

You seem to be aware that club admission is 100 UAH, that each private dance is 200 UAH, and that a tip to a manager should be 100 UAH. That's already the 400 UAH ($50) you have budgeted to allow yourself to spend, and you haven't even had a drink yet! But 500 UAH OR 600 UAH is too large a bill for your budget to accept. I assume you are aware of the likely cost of a soft drink or a juice or a tea or coffee or capuccino in the club might be anywhere between around $5 to $10, as you are not in a supermarket. So you will be in quite a quandary I suppose over whether to allow yourself to drink anything while you are there, or to exceed your budget and splurge on a Coca Cola.

But even assuming you can now see that your conclusion that 500 or 600 UAH is too large a bill for a night in Rio is a silly conclusion, although I have lost confidence that you will actually see this, what will happen if you want to see the line up in a different room where there is also another manager? I suppose you will have to not tip that second manager. And then what will happen if the girl asks for a drink? I suppose you will have to say "no" to her, because it will probably put your bill closer to 800 UAH or even 1000 UAH, and your budget simply won't allow that. So the girl will think you are a shit for not buying her a drink and she will certainly not go home with you.

Then since you have only budgeted for one private dance, you will not be able to have another private dance with a different girl, and you will have to invite the different girl to your table and speak to her quickly enough to be able to decide you like her and ask her to come home with you quickly enough so that she doesn't get the chance to ask you for a drink while in Rio. This is likely a disaster waiting to happen because you will not be availing yourself of the usual ways of checking out if a girl is good, since you are foregoing the private dance with her and you are hurrying the conversation to be able to get her to agree to come home with you before the issue of a drink for her comes up. This is not a relaxed and sensible way to choose a girl from whom you are trying to find out if she will be giving you a GFE experience. But who knows, you may have fool's luck on some of the nights and a good girl may fall into your lap.

Since it is not a guaranteed result that you will succeed in getting a good Rio girl to your apartment on all 7 nights, and because of the above considerations it is more than likely that you will not, it would seem even more important for a guy like you to listen to the advice about stopping off in cologne, germany on your way back from Kiev to london in order to even up the sex score and make up for any deficiencies that occurred in your Kiev trip in the arms of several fkk girls on that one day stop.

I must assume that before making your decision that your budget does not allow for an FKK stopover in Cologne Germany on your way back from Kiev to London, that you actually went on the websites for wizzair. Com and easyjet. Com and checked out the fare difference for your travel dates at the end of March 2012. If you had, you would have seen that it would involve less than an additional $50 in airfare to do the stop in Cologne. So it seems your inability to deviate from your budgetary decisions by even as little as $50 will again assure that you will fail to have even this final satisfaction of some good intensive fkk sex sessions, no matter what happens on your Kiev adventure.

Of course weekends are more lively than weeknights as in all the world over. Of course it takes time to travel from Rio to your apartment, so take a fucking taxi! What do you want the girl to do, walk a fucking half an hour in her high heels?

But the taxi from Rio will cost you 100 UAH. So there's your budget issue again. Maybe make an arrangement with a regular taxi driver to be your driver that you can call anytime at night if you need him, and then call and summon your own driver a few minutes before you are ready to leave Rio so he can be waiting at the nearby corner of the opera house for you and not directly in front of Rio so he doesn't get entangled with the taxi mafia in front of the club.

I could go on, but enough said.

You asked, is it normal to go to Rio for 7 consecutive nights in a row to take girls home for sex? Don't you know by now that none of us here on this board is normal? We are all sex mongers who enjoy fucking our way around different countries, so we would certainly be branded as deviates by the general population if they knew our purposes and intentions. Is it normal for a monger to go to Rio 7 nights in a row? But, of course! Welcome to the club!

LJ

[Nille Copenhagen]

Guy that keep repeating themselves every week might as well as copy & paste. Copy & paste, because its all been said months ago.

Y

I won't mention any names.

Here we go again,

Same story in all forums, poor student with a small budget, wants to

Travel the world, looking for the best pussy but is not willing not pay the price.

I would also like to know where can I get best pussies in town with my €50 budget. LOL

[Member #4243]

Ok so far I have stated I wish to visit Kiev for a new location and beautiful Russian and ukranian girls as a change to fkk land. In order to make the trip worthwhile I have come to the conclusion that 7 nights with 7 take outs for 3 hours at Rio would be the way to go.

Rio for its convenience and ease for a first time visitor to Kiev and hot babes. I am a mature student in the uk and before embarking on such a trip I have to account for and budget for every last dollar or uah I will spend. I do not have the luxury of being able to.

Throw an extra 100 dollars or 3 or 400 uah on unplanned expenses should they arise. For this reason I need to have a very clear idea of what I will or be expected to spend on extra's in Rio club. At the moment I have put aside a budget of around 50 dollars or approx.

500 uah to cover entrance, dance. One tip. 2 soft drinks. This times 7 visits to the club would amount to approx 350 dollars or around 200 pounds. This amount I can budget for and would deem acceptable for a few hours of fun in the club before I take a girl out.

However after reading some recent reports it seems you may need to tip 100 twice / buy girls drinks / possibly need to have more than one dance and that a drinks bill can reach 500/600 uah. Even though I don't drink alcohol the daily extra's total could easily be

Increased to 70 dollars into 7 visits this would amount 490 dollars or approx. 330 pounds. This is where the problem arises for me. Not only do I not have a budget to cover such an amount the whole economics of a visit to Kiev and Rio start not to add up when you

Break the costs down as compared to other destinations. I DO however want to visit Kiev and I DO love the Russian type girls AND there are dirt cheap flights from england. The advice I need from members especially liljoey is would my initial 50 dollar plan to include.

One 100 tip / one dance / entrance / soft drink not only work but be accepted by the management within Rio or even better is it possible to pay the entrance, have 1 or 2 soft drinks and take the girl of your choice out with NONE of the extras already mentioned.

Again a big thankyou for all feedback

[Prosal]

(a lot of alcohol interferes with my vitamins___lol)

Mixing lot of booze with a daily 20 mg Cialis pill is my high-energy diet in FSU. Works well for me. (wink)

[Mystery77]

To much Russian Vodka thats all I can say. Forgive. Any contacts that are fake or provide unfair encounters, usually I discard the numbers & delete the contact. So if I mention that & someone is interested in my contact meeting, ask sooner. I won't hold cannon fodder links for long (yes someone else may get different results). & I will not pass over friends, or a woman I'm interested in. Regarding escorts & all the rest, from time to time I can assist. Lets hope the law of reciprocation can play a part.

[Mystery77]

I'm afk this week. I want nothing but my telephone.

Do your own work.

A few months & this is like of course knowledge.

[Mystery77]

Again I hope to visit Kiev in the hope of finding the most beautiful girls as a change to fkk world. My budget will not allow me to do a combination fkk / Kiev trip so I really want to get this right. Although my trip is a way off still as thanks I will report fully with info for 1st.

Time Kiev visitors as a thanks. There are some fine details which may seem trivial but will make a big difference as I plan this trip; ; ;

1) I have read of large bills of 500/600 just for drinks. I don't drink alcohol. Given I will be in the Rio club for 2/3 hours and assuming I will be taking a girl out will the following spend plan within the club be suitable for my time in there; entrance + 1 private dance +

100uah tip (is one tip enough to one manager?) +2 soft drinks. This would come to around 50 dollars per visit to the club. Also are the entrance fee / dance / drinks etc paid in dollars or uah?

2) for a 3 hour "take out" am I right in thinking you need to put 1 hour aside for travelling to and fro the club giving you 2 hours quality time with the girls?

3) would I look odd visiting the club 7 nights consecutively taking a girl out each night or is this normal with men on vacation and similar?

4) I have read some girls do not like walking in the kreshtacik road area due to police etc / most flats for rent are near this road / is this a problem or would you as a rule be getting a taxi to and from Rio?

5) finally I am planning 7 nights in Kiev does Rio have a lively atmosphere even on a Sunday / Monday / Tuesday as well as the weekends especially in relation to number of girls present?

6) many thanks mohab

Guy that keep repeating themselves every week might as well as copy & paste. Copy & paste, because its all been said months ago.

Y

[Member #4243]

Again I hope to visit Kiev in the hope of finding the most beautiful girls as a change to fkk world. My budget will not allow me to do a combination fkk / Kiev trip so I really want to get this right. Although my trip is a way off still as thanks I will report fully with info for 1st.

Time Kiev visitors as a thanks. There are some fine details which may seem trivial but will make a big difference as I plan this trip; ; ;

1) I have read of large bills of 500/600 just for drinks. I don't drink alcohol. Given I will be in the Rio club for 2/3 hours and assuming I will be taking a girl out will the following spend plan within the club be suitable for my time in there; entrance + 1 private dance +

100uah tip (is one tip enough to one manager?) +2 soft drinks. This would come to around 50 dollars per visit to the club. Also are the entrance fee / dance / drinks etc paid in dollars or uah?

2) for a 3 hour "take out" am I right in thinking you need to put 1 hour aside for travelling to and fro the club giving you 2 hours quality time with the girls?

3) would I look odd visiting the club 7 nights consecutively taking a girl out each night or is this normal with men on vacation and similar?

4) I have read some girls do not like walking in the kreshtacik road area due to police etc / most flats for rent are near this road / is this a problem or would you as a rule be getting a taxi to and from Rio?

5) finally I am planning 7 nights in Kiev does Rio have a lively atmosphere even on a Sunday / Monday / Tuesday as well as the weekends especially in relation to number of girls present?

6) many thanks mohab

[LilJoey]

Got there at about 2:00 pm. Not too many girls. And best were gone already. Asked to girls come to my table, really hot ones. The manager knows that I want to go out with them but every time they send the girls that do private dance only. So it was already 4:00 am and about 4 other girls I asked to come with me said no because it's too late and they have danced all night. First I thought something happend to me and it is my fault for some reason but I asked some other guests and they said it's normal. Spoiled spoiled spoiled.

Before we have been with 4 girls and a friend to D:Lux and it was like always unbelivable what girls walking around there! I asked 3 hot ones but they wanted about USD 400 / hr. Too much.

All in all I just can say being everywhere in the world Germany is the best place. It was fun and I found some new friends. So I come back but not for this.

Dear Kirch,

I tried to save you from some mistakes I made in my past visits by writing about them in my prior posts. However, you may be one of those fellows that needs to learn things by experience, which is the hard way.

Getting there too late at 2am:

One of the initial mistakes is thinking of Rio as a typical strip club. Most of us do our regular clubbing or bars first, and then at the end of the night, we possibly hit a strip club at 2am to be there for the last hour or so until closing to put us in good spirits before heading home. At least this is how most of my friends feel about it. However, in normal strip clubs you are simply going there for the entertainment value of the dances.

It is very different when "mongering" at Rio strip club in Kiev, because your purpose is not simply to see pretty girls dance, but rather to find an approriate girl to take home and have in your bed that night. For this you need time to complete your investigation of which girls are available (waiting for the line ups in each room to appear) and your interviews of each candidate (including inviting them to sit at your table, speaking with them and private dance with them). All the while, other men are doing the same, so as girls get chosen by others your own pool of possible candidates dwindles. Also since the closing time is 5am, and the girls want to return to the club to get their money usually, this means that after 2am you will have less than the normal three hours with the girl, and if you want the three hours for the $300 you must pay, the girl may not agree to stay with you longer than 5am, and you will therefore either not be able to take her that night, or you will be forced to compromise on the three hours time period and agree to pay $300 for less than three hours.

Therefore, at Rio, by 2am you need to already be in a position to make decisions about which girl or girls to ask home with you, and have alternatives in mind in case they say no, for whatever their reasons might be.

What all the foregoing means is that, if it is your intention to "monger" at Rio, which means you are aiming to take a dream girl home with you, you must arrive at Rio early enough in the evening in order to leave yourself sufficient time for the processes described above (investigation and interviewing). [Also its worthwhile to leave Rio with your girl some time before 2am, to allow for the possibility that the girl might stay with you in your apartment longer than the exact alotted three hours if she likes you and she will still be able to get back to club by 5am]. Not to mention that the later it gets in the evening, the more tired out the girls will tend to get, which will affect how she might perform and act at your apartment.

My feeling is that one should get to Rio around 10 or 11pm, so that you can complete the investigation and interview process and be able to make the invitation home by around 1am, or at the latest by 2am.

So here's my third report for Rio. I called Sergej to reserve a table and I got there by 9:00 pm, not crowded at all. The VIP Manager approached me and invited me for the VIP area. Very nice and more private there but you have to consider one thing! Not all girls rotate in all areas. So I got to the restroom and saw Elvira. I asked here if she just arrived but she said she is there for 2 hours and don't dance the VIP area. So you have to walk around every once and a while. After having a bill of 2. 000 in the second night and yesterday a bill of 2. 500 the VIP Manager really likes me and did everything for me.

Wow! A 2000 bill and 2500 bill seems like quite a lot of bar spending. You must be doing a lot of drinking of high priced drinks there. I usually only order a green tea, or a cappucino, or a fresh juice, (a lot of alcohol interferes with my vitamins___lol) and some drinks for those girls I choose to buy drinks for, which will be for whatever they want within reason, like Bailey's or the like. I've never had a bill for my bar tab of over 1000, and many times get out of there with a 500 or 600 UAH bill. However, to each his own. If you enjoy drinking a lot of liquor, then of course it's ok. But just so you should know, the managers will like you even if you don't spend so much, as long as you give them a reasonable tip of at least 100 UAH each night when they assist you.

As for your observation that you have to look at the three separate line ups of girls in the club (the VIP line up; the upstairs inner and outer rooms line up; and the downstairs room line up) , yes, of course it is correct. But you would have known that from an even cursory review of the prior reports. So you learned from experience. Good.

Did you even make it to the downstairs room to see that line up, or did you only see the VIP and upstairs rooms line ups?

I saw Tanya and have to say that she is a really good looking girl with a nice body. But for me not the best in Rio. In Germany we have so many beauties working in FKK Clubs and they do everything that I still prefer this area.

TANYA and ELVIRA.

I must say that I am a very big fan of the FKK's in Germany. I have written on this very subject, and believe that FKK's are better than Kiev with respect to low unit cost for sex with a guaranteed high level of GFE service, whereas in Kiev this is something GFE service (including uncovered BJ) is not guaranteed with any uniformity, and depends on the girl individually and your own skills and rapport with her.

But in all my visits to FKK World, Oase and Palace in the Frankfurt area, or in Goldentime in Vienna, I have never seen a girl on the level of beauty possessed by Tanya at Rio in Kiev. Tanya is smoking hot. In my personal rating system I felt Tanya was a 10, whereas Elvira I would have rated as an 8, if not maybe a bit lower. Tanya's truly pretty and beautiful face, coupled with her slender sexy really nicely shaped body, had me mesmerized. It was only the fact that when I first met her, she said dancer only, that I stopped trying for her, and wrote her off, just as I wrote off the amazing brunette 10, Nikita, dancer only ice queen.

The question I would ask you is whether it was confirmed to you, that Tanya does do "take out" and will accompany a customer home to their apartment for sex. Shortly after she just started working at the club, Tanya said dancer only. I was told by Tanya later in the year that she would go out with a client, but only to a nightclub. However, on my last trip the manager at VIP room said she does go out with customers, which I assume meant to their apartments, so I put her on the Rio list. But it is unconfirmed. Can you confirm whether Tanya said she would come home with you? Or did you not even go that far to ask her?

Wow! You passed on Tanya and took Elvira!

It goes to show you how different guys have different tastes. Or maybe it is a case of opposites attract, as Tanya is a gorgeous blonde, of whom there are many of similar type in Deutchland, whereas Elvira is a black haired little spitfire with a petite body but cute tush, who reminds me of a gypsy type.

I actually also considered taking out Elvira. Good to know that she pleased you. So much that it seems you took her out twice. She must have been good the first time, or was it because the hour was late and there was little other choice? I'm like that too. I tend to start liking a girl and taking her out multiple times.

LJ

[CityHunter77]

Got there at about 2:00 pm. Not too many girls. And best were gone already. Asked to girls come to my table, really hot ones. The manager knows that I want to go out with them but every time they send the girls that do private dance only. So it was already 4:00 am and about 4 other girls I asked to come with me said no because it's too late and they have danced all night. First I thought something happend to me and it is my fault for some reason but I asked some other guests and they said it's normal. Spoiled spoiled spoiled.

Before we have been with 4 girls and a friend to D:Lux and it was like always unbelivable what girls walking around there! I asked 3 hot ones but they wanted about USD 400 / hr. Too much.

All in all I just can say being everywhere in the world Germany is the best place. It was fun and I found some new friends. So I come back but not for this.

Where in Germany do you recommend for Ukranian and Russian girls?

[Kirch]

Got there at about 2:00 pm. Not too many girls. And best were gone already. Asked to girls come to my table, really hot ones. The manager knows that I want to go out with them but every time they send the girls that do private dance only. So it was already 4:00 am and about 4 other girls I asked to come with me said no because it's too late and they have danced all night. First I thought something happend to me and it is my fault for some reason but I asked some other guests and they said it's normal. Spoiled spoiled spoiled.

Before we have been with 4 girls and a friend to D:Lux and it was like always unbelivable what girls walking around there! I asked 3 hot ones but they wanted about USD 400 / hr. Too much.

All in all I just can say being everywhere in the world Germany is the best place. It was fun and I found some new friends. So I come back but not for this.

[Mystery77]

Regarding strip bars here in Kiev & around. If a girl get a guy to buy a bottle of something more expensive. Does she get half the cost of the bottle or %

Places like Rio, Martin, Rhino, Arena etc

[Kirch]

So here's my third report for Rio. I called Sergej to reserve a table and I got there by 9:00 pm, not crowded at all. The VIP Manager approached me and invited me for the VIP area. Very nice and more private there but you have to consider one thing! Not all girls rotate in all areas. So I got to the restroom and saw Elvira. I asked here if she just arrived but she said she is there for 2 hours and don't dance the VIP area. So you have to walk around every once and a while. After having a bill of 2. 000 in the second night and yesterday a bill of 2. 500 the VIP Manager really likes me and did everything for me.

I saw Tanya and have to say that she is a really good looking girl with a nice body. But for me not the best in Rio. In Germany we have so many beauties working in FKK Clubs and they do everything that I still prefer this area.

There is a girl that is for a big 10! She is 20 years old, very skinny and just a beautiful Angel face. I forgot her name (to many Bacradi Cola). She is not going out! . I tried everything but she is doing only private dance. So I did a private dance only looking in her eyes. I told her not to undress and stop to dance. I said I want to go out tomorrow with her for a coffee and that I'm serious. She was thinking. Yes, no, may be. Like always. So then she said yes, may be on Sunday so I gave her my number. Let's see. She is an angel!

Then I asked for girl who is very very tall and kind of slim. She has a nice face but more like GFE face. I noticed that she looked all the time to me when she was dancing and she was so happy that I invited her to my table. She hold my hand and smiling all the time. She really liked me so I was convinced this is a perfect GFE night. So I told her I live right at the corner Kreshatic and Maydan. All the sudden she said "no, not good, sorry." For me the location is very good but the girls don't like it. The police is giving the a hard time so all the girls avoid this area by night. New situation, bad situation.

So I had 2 more girls at my table and a nice Russian guy. I had too many drinks and all the sudden it was 4:00 am. Still some good girls dancing there but I was tired so I decided one more time for Elvira. She was so happy I decided for her that she said I have perfect night with her. But she needs to drink something so she is better? . Ok, she ordered seven B52s! She drinked in about 10 minutes all of them! Then she said, let's go I'm ready. My good. And the night was good.

So tonight again. There are 2 more girls I want to try.

The sad thing about it. My friend has so many girl friends here and he has every night dinner and Karaoke with at least 3 girls at the same time. He doesn't pay, only for shopping, dinner, make up, etc. But anyways I'm stupid going to Rio every night having so many "freebies".