Kyiv

[Jonathan Pine]

First, have backup plans in case it doesn't workout with this 39 year old woman. You don't want to be stranded in Kiev by yourself. Before you go, arrange for plan be, see, the,.

Second, don't pre pay her hotel room yet. Yon can book it, but don't pay for it yet.

Thirdly, take her for a walk, maybe to a cafe, you'll need to know that she's genuine before you take her to an expensive restaurant.

Locals guys wouldn't simply take some girls to expensive restaurants without first having a sponsorship deal. No sex, no expensive dinner!

Just because you can afford a nice dinner doesn't mean you should. If you do that in Ukraine without demanding sex in return, she'll lose all respect for you.

It's a fucked up mentality I know. But you need to play hard ball with them. I learned it the hard way. Someone, I think it's Riina on the board says that if you accommodate them, you'll open yourself up for manipulation. Very well said. I'll also add that if you accommodate them, you'll bring out their worst behavior.

Treat them like dogs, if they lick your dick. Then you throw them a bone. If they don't play ball, kick them to the curb. Punish them. Now before anybody accuses me of being a *******, I can tell you I'm anything but. It's just the dynamics between local men and women. You must play hard ball with them. No mercy, make no exceptions. The only language they understand is strength.

And don't worry about offending them. Trust me, they're used to this treatment from local guys and expecting it from you. If you don't do it, they'll think you're a fool and will only try to extract money from you without fucking you.

Be tough, Michi! Now go score one for the team!

[Putologist]

But just to have a expensive dinner, give good tips etc. All of these are fine, but by the end of the day NO guarantee for a bang if she isn't a pro.

LMR is very wide spread among Russians / Ukrainians.

[Russel4339]

What does it mean for a first meeting? I western Europe I am always charming, opening the door, asking what the woman wants to eat and drink, listen to her, do not interrupt her, etc.

Would I have to act differently in Ukraine? Can you please describe?

If this is not a professional lady, by all means treat her like a woman would like to be treated (open the door for her, carry any bag for her, etc.). However, be decisive when it comes to decision making. Know where you are going to go for dinner and tell her (don't ask her). Don't take her advice on every time it is given. Take her hand when you want to (don't wait for that "perfect moment" Pay without hesitation and tip well (for the Ukraine). Take charge in restaurants and other situations (although this can be hard with limited language skills). All of these things show you to be in control, successful, and "manly".

[Russel4339]

Taking Ukrainian medicine? Urrgs, is this safe?

Konagra is produced in India and has good reviews worldwide.

There is also a Russian version called "Potential". It is about half the price of Kongra. However, even I am not brave enough to trust Russian pharmaceuticals (especially in Ukraine).

[Michi T]

Act like local guys. If your upbringing and cultural background won't allow you to sink that low, imagine how would our most famous gentleman James Bond act in your situation. He definitely doesn't get pushed around by women, or anybody.

Haha, I like that one. So, I will give her money back for bus transport, I will pay for her separate hotel room, I will invite her for dinner and breakfast next day and if she does not want to kiss or let me touch her, I will send her back home immediately without paying for transport back. Or may I even tell her "I paid for transport, accommodation, etc, so I expect some sex? In my culture, that would be unfriendly, but you suggest to act like a local.

[Jonathan Pine]

Would I have to act differently in Ukraine? Can you please describe?

Act like local guys. If your upbringing and cultural background won't allow you to sink that low, imagine how would our most famous gentleman James Bond act in your situation. He definitely doesn't get pushed around by women, or anybody.

[Riina]

What does it mean for a first meeting? I western Europe I am always charming, opening the door, asking what the woman wants to eat and drink, listen to her, do not interrupt her, etc.

Would I have to act differently in Ukraine? Can you please describe?

No! You do not have to act differently. Here's an example of what I'm talking about. On my first trip to Kiev, I contacted a girl from Mamba. She told me that we can meet at three. Three rolls around and texts me she needs twenty minutes more, then forty five minutes more, and on and on. I sat in my apartment for hours like a complete douche. Girls are always running late but the maximum flexibility should of been one hour before canceling. As simple as this is, I try to remember it in more complicated situations.

Every individual girl has to be evaluated. The more beautiful and experienced, the more manipulation you can expect. I like the college age GND's, it just seems to stay more honest.

[Michi T]

So true. The more accommodating you are, the more you have opened yourself to manipulation.

What does it mean for a first meeting? I western Europe I am always charming, opening the door, asking what the woman wants to eat and drink, listen to her, do not interrupt her, etc.

Would I have to act differently in Ukraine? Can you please describe?

[Riina]

Ukrainian girls are turned on by decisive, dominant men. Typical modern western men, who are submissive and accommodating, are viewed as weak.

So true. The more accommodating you are, the more you have opened yourself to manipulation.

[Michi T]

You can also buy the Indian version of Viagra in most pharmacies in the Ukraine. It is called Konagra and is (I think) about 200 UAH for (4) 50 MG tablets. 100 MG tablets are slightly more.

It is safe and effective using the same sildenafil citrate recipe as viagra. I have found that it works just the same as effectively.

Taking Ukrainian medicine? Urrgs, is this safe?

[Muddy7]

You can also buy the Indian version of Viagra in most pharmacies in the Ukraine. It is called Konagra and is (I think) about 200 UAH for (4) 50 MG tablets. 100 MG tablets are slightly more.

It is safe and effective using the same sildenafil citrate recipe as viagra. I have found that it works just the same as effectively.

Yes the pharmacist told me, I saw it, but cialis works better on me, seems to last longer too.

Old article about rio:

http://vz.ua/news/14580-komprometiru..._prostitutsiyu

[Russel4339]

One more thing, cialis is much cheaper in Ukraine, bought 8 20 MG tablets box for 3400 grivna, better not to buy from pharmacies on Kreschatic or in the malls, they could be more expensive by 1000+ grivna... and whatever price they give u tell them another pharmacy u know is chaper, they may drop the price by 200+ grivna, pharmacies are like taxis too.

You can also buy the Indian version of Viagra in most pharmacies in the Ukraine. It is called Konagra and is (I think) about 200 UAH for (4) 50 MG tablets. 100 MG tablets are slightly more.

It is safe and effective using the same sildenafil citrate recipe as viagra. I have found that it works just the same as effectively.

[Jonathan Pine]

Keep in mind that with cheap hotels you are asking a girl to out herself as a prostitute. You can expect the bottom of the barrel with that road.

Cheap hotels are also a reflection of you. It's better that you dress shitty and have an apartment, then dress well and have a cheap room.

Wise words. It's the mindset of local girls and people in general. If you want to be cheap and on a tight budget, don't bother going to Kiev. You won't get what you want there. Stay home.

[Riina]

Keep in mind that with cheap hotels you are asking a girl to out herself as a prostitute. You can expect the bottom of the barrel with that road.

Cheap hotels are also a reflection of you. It's better that you dress shitty and have an apartment, then dress well and have a cheap room.

[Muddy7]

You could write a guide on how not to have fun in Kiev. You put yourself in a situation that you could not control, and you lost more control every step of the way. Your first mistake was staying at a hotel instead of an apartment. Then you got into a cab without knowing where you were going or settling the fare. And then you went to her place! By the time you got to be with the girl, she had already pegged you as a chump. I am sure the same girl would do her best if she knew her payment depended on it.

I once made all those mistakes, and worse. .

One more thing, cialis is much cheaper in Ukraine, bought 8 20 MG tablets box for 3400 grivna, better not to buy from pharmacies on Kreschatic or in the malls, they could be more expensive by 1000+ grivna... and whatever price they give u tell them another pharmacy u know is chaper, they may drop the price by 200+ grivna, pharmacies are like taxis too.

I always try to rent a flat in a building without an attendant