Kyiv

[Tomux 22]

I have never tried sites where you pay to women for talking with you (pay per letter). Even its an old news I think people should know that lots of girls on sites like that are poor students handling 10 different profiles at time and gets pay few grivnas per letter while doing that.

How do I know. Talking to a 21 yo student from Kiev and its her part time job and she told me exactly this. Yes some girls on sites want to meet and go on date. And yes company pays 300 grivnas. Etc. For that girl to go on date with you.

[Wildout]

Thanks for the feedback.

I'm stuck at the SMS verification part as well, so I can't really test out the site. If it was a professional / official site like Mamba (which I'm a verified member of) I could at least write a message to customer support to ask for a different method of authentication since I'm currently overseas.

[IveyP]

Hi,

I will be visiting Kiev for the first time on September. I have made first a research and found sites like mamba. Ru (I have contacted several pros / semi, alellegdly with fake pics most of them) and top-modals. Com and then I ended up here.

I hope this thread can help and will be reading it carefully. Any help is, of course, very welcome. This thread seems to be very long.

I will review my experiences once in Kiev and before.

Thanks

[PedroToronja]

When you are talking to a 'girl' on a site and she tries to direct you to another site it's only a scam 99. 9% of the time.

It does ask you for your phone number, and then: "Send an SMS to number 97605 with text RRR 9051329406" to confirm your age. Is very weird.

[WantToHaveFun]

First post here. Just got back so its going to be quick and more like bullet points.

Not a lot of women or people here in general. I guess they are all away on vacation.

D'Lux has anywhere between 5 to 20 WG none of which seemed to be worth $300. On the way back alone I talked to the cab driver named Sergey. Very useful chap. He called his "friend" who I actually saw there and she came over for $120 some of which I assume went to him. Not a bad discount for 1 little phone call in Russian. She was great for $120 but would have been lame for $300. Not sure its OK to put his number here.

The next day I called him and for $25 he drove me around for 30-40 minutes to show me the scene. The highlight was a visit to apartments where there are 3-8 women that you can take back to the hotel for $100. Most of them were 6-8 but I passed. I just didn't feel comfortable with that situation and theirs. Rather pay more to a girl that does it for her own profession or as a supplement where the girls in the apartments I was just wondering and didn't want to be part of that.

Went to the bar in the Intercontinental for a drink. 11th floor and nice view. Met the most beautiful woman I ever did. Of course a matter of personal taste. Kind of a Dana Delany 30 years ago and just prettier. Her English wasn't great or I would have married her right there. After all the church is right across the street. Ended up asking me for 500 Euro and I passed. Still thinking about her though. .

Went to Roksolana erotic massage. Spent an amazing hour with Lisa (I think.). Best $50 I ever spent.

A few more stories but not as interesting. All in all it is a place that you can get amazing women for considerable money or regular ones for cheap. To get the amazing ones on the cheap is too much work or ability to speak the language. Not a "destination" if that is all you are looking for.

Nothing beats a good FKK.

Best to all.

[Cruiser D]

When you are talking to a 'girl' on a site and she tries to direct you to another site it's only a scam 99. 9% of the time.

There is not a whole lot of information on this site. That alone, for a sex site, should be a red flag.

There was one mention of it on a site that answers questions about doubtful sites and sonderganka was named. What they seem to do is ask you, like mamba, for your phone number for confirmation. However, unlike mamba what you may find is that you have innocently authorized a premium rate service to sign you up as a subscriber adding huge amounts of charges to your phone bill.

However, if you want to be brave enough to try it, by all means do so and then let us know! I have a feeling you will have wished that you actually went and met that old lady at the grocery store in the flesh. It would be cheaper and better.

[Cruiser D]

How do you do that without being fluent in Russian?

Why not get a real personel assistant and do it for real?

Kinda seems like you are scamming the girls if they are looking for an ongoing arrangement (sleeping with the boss) and you are doing a hit and run.

Word of mouth, or another girl advertising your great attributes, is by far the most effective way I know to get lucky. It is great you have that friend, I envy you. Not having that, what I have done is create a profile of a (non-existing) girl and have her contact other girls to be the 'private personal assistant' of her 'boss', a job that includes sleeping together. Of course this personal assistant made very good references to the 'boss' 'she' will be sharing with the new one. It worked about half the times. The girl being contacted knows the 'job' includes sex, so there are no false pretenses or con. Money also exchanged hands, but I did get the class of girl that will sleep with one guy for money (especially with extra points for being such a great lover, as per the 'current personal assistant') , but will not be officially a WG, or would want to sleep with a new guy each day, etc. There are many such as it is not uncommon that office girls sleep with their bosses in that corner of the world, as an old tradition from Soviet times. Anyway, the girl is told she will sleep with the guy, she will get money and it is not perceived as prostitituion in that corner of the world. Everybody wins! It is a lot of work, but I promise you, it paid up several times over.

[Cruiser D]

I was using anastasia when I first got in the FSU dating scene. Huge waste of money, mostly form letters.

But then again my dating style is rather unique. I'm never one to target 1, 2.5 or 10 girls when I can meet 50. If you have one or two girls you like get there mobile number as soon as possible. Even if you have to do that phone chat thing, my buddy did that with some success.

I found elenasmodels to be the best of the FSU dating sites. I like their pay structure where if you go with the platinum membership for $200 (or whatever it is) you can email ever girl on the site if you want to. From the compliants of my friends it would seem you have to be 45 and under to have good success on there.

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Soon will inform about girls of anastasiadate; I think that all are scammers, my girlfriend are this site, of course was scammed.

[Uke Boy]

Hey guys,

So I've been having a strange chat with one of these hotties from Mamba. At the end of some of her chats, she would say something like 'soderganka'. And my translator just spits it back out verbatim. So I kept replying with confusion and asking her to clarify what she's talking about. Eventually, I got to the point where I said fuck it, I'm throwing her in the ignore pile. But then something clicked. I did a search for that word and it turns out she was trying to tell about another website. Upon further inspection, this site seems to be more like a deliciously graphic Craigslist NSA section, only in Ukrainian. Here's the site: soderganka. Su

She could be trying to lead me to some sort of adult pay site that somehow benefits her, but my optimistic side can't help but wonder; what if I've stumbled across a local gold mine. I figure, where better to report on this matter and get some expert input than ISG. This website doesn't have an English version, and my Ukrainian is very limited. Copy & Paste has been my friend.

I'm about to create an account on there and attempt to give myself away like the old lady at your grocery store giving away cheese samples on Sunday afternoons.

Have at it boys!

Wild, out.

There is not a whole lot of information on this site. That alone, for a sex site, should be a red flag.

There was one mention of it on a site that answers questions about doubtful sites and sonderganka was named. What they seem to do is ask you, like mamba, for your phone number for confirmation. However, unlike mamba what you may find is that you have innocently authorized a premium rate service to sign you up as a subscriber adding huge amounts of charges to your phone bill.

However, if you want to be brave enough to try it, by all means do so and then let us know! I have a feeling you will have wished that you actually went and met that old lady at the grocery store in the flesh. It would be cheaper and better.

[Amunra]

To Stevie69

You got 25 contact from Elenas really! I am a gold member there and I have send a lot of expression of interest and massages to women, but the positive answer was very low, if I have send like 60 expression of interest I have received only 5 who were interested back. And tried to contact girls in my age range of 30, and I have photo and every things how it should be, so I am thinking that am getting such negative response because I do not like me, or not. Do you mind to share with me how you manage to get such positive response, is there is anything that I can do? Because I can't imagine what else I can do because at first you send EOI and if they do not return there interest there is nothing to do!

Amunra.

It works fine, but you can easily use Mamba also, or instead. At Elena's models you get more "serious" girls, looking for marriage but also a few scammers. I figure that even if I am seriously looking for a wife, it starts with physical attraction and physical interaction (sex) , so I am not being too disingenuous. If they are beautiful, smart and good in bed, then I am open to a long-term relationship, in theory. I usually sign up several month in advance of a trip to Kiev or Moscow, and work the site. I figured it is best to got for gold and get the higher level 6 month membership (200 USD) instead of the 3 months one (100 USD). With one you get only 50 contacts, with the other and unlimited number of contacts, so you do not have to count, or weigh whether a girl is worth using up one of your 50 contacts.

After a while it gets complicated and you have to be organized to keep track of who is who. Last time I went to Kiev I had about 25 real contacts, and twice as many in other cities. I was talking regularly on skype with about 5 from Kiev, and they were all "happy to see me" in person. Of the others, some I could not communicate, some just wanted a good time (which was okay with me) and some just did not feel the "chemistry", which is also fine. I would say that strategy does not work if you are only staying for a few days, unless you are only seeing a few girls. I spent 2 weeks, (3 weekends) , going to the south (Dnipro / Zapo / kherson / Niko / Odessa) and the east (kharkov / donetstk) during the weekdays.

It is definitely nicer to visit one of these smaller cities if you have someone to show you around. In the smaller cities I met 2-3 girls in each; my strategy was if they put put on the first night, I stayed a second one, if not, I got some professional help and moved on the next day. My range was from 21 to 36, all beautiful.

One thing is for sure, if there is a little chemistry, and the girl thinks that you are being honest (and like I said, I was, even if I an still single, and here) , she will definitely give you everything in the bedroom.

[Wildout]

Hey guys,

So I've been having a strange chat with one of these hotties from Mamba. At the end of some of her chats, she would say something like 'soderganka'. And my translator just spits it back out verbatim. So I kept replying with confusion and asking her to clarify what she's talking about. Eventually, I got to the point where I said fuck it, I'm throwing her in the ignore pile. But then something clicked. I did a search for that word and it turns out she was trying to tell about another website. Upon further inspection, this site seems to be more like a deliciously graphic Craigslist NSA section, only in Ukrainian. Here's the site: soderganka. Su

She could be trying to lead me to some sort of adult pay site that somehow benefits her, but my optimistic side can't help but wonder; what if I've stumbled across a local gold mine. I figure, where better to report on this matter and get some expert input than ISG. This website doesn't have an English version, and my Ukrainian is very limited. Copy & Paste has been my friend.

I'm about to create an account on there and attempt to give myself away like the old lady at your grocery store giving away cheese samples on Sunday afternoons.

Have at it boys!

Wild, out.

[PedroToronja]

There are many layers to Kiev beyond the Strict P4P. One of the best at present are the young semi pros. In my case I mix and match between the 2 above, if the looks and price is right. But I never do any dating there. Simply not interested. And secondly I am only interested in the age group 18/25.

Having relegated my first young hot semi pro to a (Mutual friend with benefits atatus) , she is now one of the circle who does the scouting and the referrals for me.

Climaxnow was right about getting a pyramid scheme (Females) there. But it would get Fucked up if other men get on it.

Best way to get a girl is another girl who is in her social group, and not just in Kiev.

Keep your fingers crossed that The Ukraine will never join the EU. Its a sure way of killing the semi pro scene there, much in the same way with every EE country that joined the Europian Union From Poland To Latvia.

Word of mouth, or another girl advertising your great attributes, is by far the most effective way I know to get lucky. It is great you have that friend, I envy you. Not having that, what I have done is create a profile of a (non-existing) girl and have her contact other girls to be the 'private personal assistant' of her 'boss', a job that includes sleeping together. Of course this personal assistant made very good references to the 'boss' 'she' will be sharing with the new one. It worked about half the times. The girl being contacted knows the 'job' includes sex, so there are no false pretenses or con. Money also exchanged hands, but I did get the class of girl that will sleep with one guy for money (especially with extra points for being such a great lover, as per the 'current personal assistant') , but will not be officially a WG, or would want to sleep with a new guy each day, etc. There are many such as it is not uncommon that office girls sleep with their bosses in that corner of the world, as an old tradition from Soviet times. Anyway, the girl is told she will sleep with the guy, she will get money and it is not perceived as prostitituion in that corner of the world. Everybody wins! It is a lot of work, but I promise you, it paid up several times over.

[Xavisi]

For some reason this forum changes my short hand for elenasmodels (EM) to them. How odd.

There are indeed quite a few hard core scammers on them but they are fairly easy to spot and avoid.

The british guy who got killed met his bride on them.

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Soon will inform about girls of anastasiadate; I think that all are scammers, my girlfriend are this site, of course was scammed.

[Jojosun]

You can find Uzbeks in street outside Grace hotel (Sukhumvit Soi3/4) area from BHT 1000. 2000. Obviously note the same quality.

You may find some in Safeway, A regular Ukrainian MILF going for BHT 1000. She claim to be a gyneacologist from Ukraine.

Dubai is also probably cheaper than top Kiev clubs.

Uzbek girls and others are to be found at the Disco of Grace hotel. Lower grade and heavier than the ones at Cm2.

There are a couple of Ukrainian Milfs who have set up base at the coffee shop on the corner with Suk and soi7 (Or 9). BHT1000 =US$30 for short time =UAH240.

I don't think you can find her doing the same price in Kiev.

Did Dubai on few Stopovers en route to the Far East and Australia, and I agree with you its Cheaper than the top Kiev Clubs.

Dubai is a hell lot more luxurious than Kiev as well. .

I do recall UkeBoy saying that he paid Us$200 all night for a nice UA MILF in Amman Joradn.

Rates of US$ 300 and US$400 are a waste of money in Kiev. To be spent on fucking jaded girls.

[BlancoVikingo]

Hello fellow mongers.

I have been travelling in Latinamrica since 2003, and almost everywere they sell this sex-enhacement medicine without need from a doctor.

Since I have a stack of pills at home I could take them with me, but I prefer not: if they find out it will be a lot of questions and, as I understand, bribes before I could go as a free man.

Prices should be low and availability good.

I really need a Viagra since I will meet my future wife and. Not performing well could have distraous effects. I have been on both sides. With the same Argentine Girl. The first time I had taken Xanax for sleeping and relaxing during a trip that is like 30 hs door-door. She was horney, but xanax not only relax you are mind, it relaxes your body, including your penis to, she felt insulted that I could not perform well, like I didn't got a existed by her (very sexy body). I vivisted her shortly afterwards and she went to bed and there was a model-show on TV. I decided, after getting a HAMMER after a while, pulled her up and penetrated her doggy style. She said " Martin, you feel like a ROCK inside of me". Then we fucked until we couldn't do it anymore, but she woke me up early and wanted to be fucked before going to work.

Xanax I can need when I'm full of stress, but it kills my erection. Viagra, or even much better Cialis and Levitra is far better.

I would be very greatful for any useful info. About this.