Kyiv

[Epicurus]

Thanks for the response. How likely is one to find freebies in Kiev? It looks like to me dating sites would be a good place to start? Is the bar scene a viable option for an english-speaking fellow?

Never tried the bar scene, went to clubsm but unless you look younger than 30, or very handsome or you can make her laugh, there is very little chance of a freebie. Best thing is to just walk around and if you are clearly a foreigner (clothes, looks) and act confident, girls and women will look at you. If you see a girl you find attractive, try to make eyecontact and smile. If she smiles back, try to ask her for directions to a cafe or such and if you pick up the right signals; ask her if she would like to have a coffee with you or to give you her number to drink some coffee when she has time. Try to learn some russian, or else this will only work if the girl is confident enough to speak english. Although, it may work if you use your smartphone with google translate.

[Epicurus]

I have done freebies in Kiev and Ukraine will considerably cheaper then Russia. Ukrainian women usually need 2-3 dates to seal the deal as girls are obviously weary of foreigners looking for a one nightstand and never to be heard from again.

I recommend a combination of both. Chasing freebie's and P4P. I usually head out after a date to see I can get some action. If your willing to lower your standards to bang a 5 or 6 girl looks wise you have a better chance of getting a ONS.

May sound weird, but I don't like freebies, unless you mean semi-pros with freebies. You know, girls who don't ask money directly, but ask for money to help pay their rent, presents and such. Cause freebies think that you may be their future, get jealous, demand attention and such. It not only gets tiresome, but also makes me feel guilty.

[Epicurus]

Hey guys,

I visited http://relaxmassage.kiev.ua.

The salon is in the courtyard of the house in Puskinskaya Str. 31. The salon entrance is in the corner of the courtyard, behind some small building. It is clear which door it is, there are some flash lights around it.

I did not make a phone reservation. I just came there and rang the bell.

Girl who picked me up at the door let me know the prices (500 UAH massage 1 hour, +300 you can touch masseuse) and invited other two girls. I asked the first (who picked me up) for 1 hour massage and she replied, Ok, but my massage is for 1000 UAH fuck off I replied (silently, just for myself) and started to leave. She asked me to stay with other girl for 500 UAH. Ok, so I told her which one I prefer and we started to negotiate the price again I asked for massage for 500 UAH and she pressed me for +300 UAH additional charge. At the end I agreed 800 UAH.

The masseuse name is Mia (or something like that), She does not speak any English, boobs size A-be, slim figure. The massage was divided into two separate parts (massage / erotic) there unfortunately was not any link between the two parts. Both separate parts were quite ok, but I have more complaints. She did not look at me, always turn her head away, no smile. She was too cold. When I sticked my finger into her pussy, she recoiled immediately. Probably it was not included in charge +300 UAH.

The time range 1 hour is from door to door, it means 40 minutes of play only.

It was quite expensive, short and cold experience, but at the end it fulfilled my urgent need.

Was she a redhead? I think you mean Maia. Clear case of YMMV, cause when I had her in July, she appeared timid but during the massage she enjoyed kissing and me paying attention to her pussy. Even gave me her phonenumber. Also had dinner with her, but no sex. I just couldn't make a proposal, she was just too sweet. I liked her voice and smile a lot. But perhaps things have changed. She didn't strike me as the type that could last a long time doing that job.

[Ithom4]

Hey guys,

I visited http://relaxmassage.kiev.ua.

The salon is in the courtyard of the house in Puskinskaya Str. 31. The salon entrance is in the corner of the courtyard, behind some small building. It is clear which door it is, there are some flash lights around it.

I did not make a phone reservation. I just came there and rang the bell.

Girl who picked me up at the door let me know the prices (500 UAH massage 1 hour, +300 you can touch masseuse) and invited other two girls. I asked the first (who picked me up) for 1 hour massage and she replied, Ok, but my massage is for 1000 UAH fuck off I replied (silently, just for myself) and started to leave. She asked me to stay with other girl for 500 UAH. Ok, so I told her which one I prefer and we started to negotiate the price again I asked for massage for 500 UAH and she pressed me for +300 UAH additional charge. At the end I agreed 800 UAH.

The masseuse name is Mia (or something like that), She does not speak any English, boobs size A-be, slim figure. The massage was divided into two separate parts (massage / erotic) there unfortunately was not any link between the two parts. Both separate parts were quite ok, but I have more complaints. She did not look at me, always turn her head away, no smile. She was too cold. When I sticked my finger into her pussy, she recoiled immediately. Probably it was not included in charge +300 UAH.

The time range 1 hour is from door to door, it means 40 minutes of play only.

It was quite expensive, short and cold experience, but at the end it fulfilled my urgent need.

[YellowPaul]

Hello forum!

I have a fairly generic question, which I am not even sure has a definitive answer, but here it goes (I have posted the same question in the Russia forum as well). I have the option of visiting either Russia or Ukraine early summer. Even though this may be early but given that this will be a work-related visit I need to do some leg work beforehand, which has me thinking about this question: where to visit? Russia (Moscow or possibly St Petersburg) or Ukraine (Kiev or any other city? I have about 10 days or so to myself after work is done and am looking mainly for freebies. I am not sure of the concept of semi-pros but that maybe an option too. I am in my early 30's and not bad looking. I had a great time recently in SEA and was hoping to repeat the same in Russia / Ukraine as I am very much into the women from this region. So if you were starting your adventures from one of these countries which one would it be? Of course this is if both are reasonably safe by the time of my visit. I understand that the political situation may make one (or even both) of these options moot.

Any advice is appreciated!

I have done freebies in Kiev and Ukraine will considerably cheaper then Russia. Ukrainian women usually need 2-3 dates to seal the deal as girls are obviously weary of foreigners looking for a one nightstand and never to be heard from again.

I recommend a combination of both. Chasing freebie's and P4P. I usually head out after a date to see I can get some action. If your willing to lower your standards to bang a 5 or 6 girl looks wise you have a better chance of getting a ONS.

[Smdrr]

Ukraine is IMHO nicer.

However, I would avoid that place called Rio, I've been there last week.
Salons are better, by far, and you get what you want.

Thanks for the response. How likely is one to find freebies in Kiev? It looks like to me dating sites would be a good place to start? Is the bar scene a viable option for an english-speaking fellow?

[NightOwl69]

Wow, poor Ukrainians. The value of Hryvnia dropped heavily once again.

But then I'm obliged to go back there.

I think I"m going to skip it over new year's and Orthodox Christma, though.

SO who over is there first give us prices update.

[Sorbonne]

When ever I am in Kiev I go to Rio and 100 UAH for the floor manger and another 50 in the way out to the bouncer and I get all what I want. The place is sure expensive if you are just there to pick your take out, but its nice atmosphere to relax have some sushi few drinks. I like it more than other strip clubs in Kiev and odessa because the girls are not pushy, they don't ask for a drink unless you offer. They might ask for privet dance though. I know they get 50% of what every you pay them for privet dance or take out. What I found interesting at rio are the so called rules of privet dance. Allegedly you shouldn't do certain things (touching the girl pussy, kissing) but I can confirm girls can and do break those rules if you are their regular. I had couple of BBBJ and fingering. It also help allot to be friend with floor manger.

As fro why there so many strip clubs? I guess because they make more money that way (isn't that always the case).

Anyway its a very nice option if you are in a short trip and don't have the time for mamba or don't want to deal with bait and switch.

The question for you as you were there last week, is the price there still 3600 UAH for 3 hours or the adjusted it because if they didn't that means its only $230 for the 3 hours.

Cheers.

Wow, poor Ukrainians. The value of Hryvnia dropped heavily once again.

But then I'm obliged to go back there.

I think I"m going to skip it over new year's and Orthodox Christma, though.

[NightOwl69]

With so many male bodyguards / bouncers etc. I ask myself how can a place like this survive for so long time; does somebody knows?. And this is in a expensive street in Kiev BTW.

When ever I am in Kiev I go to Rio and 100 UAH for the floor manger and another 50 in the way out to the bouncer and I get all what I want. The place is sure expensive if you are just there to pick your take out, but its nice atmosphere to relax have some sushi few drinks. I like it more than other strip clubs in Kiev and odessa because the girls are not pushy, they don't ask for a drink unless you offer. They might ask for privet dance though. I know they get 50% of what every you pay them for privet dance or take out. What I found interesting at rio are the so called rules of privet dance. Allegedly you shouldn't do certain things (touching the girl pussy, kissing) but I can confirm girls can and do break those rules if you are their regular. I had couple of BBBJ and fingering. It also help allot to be friend with floor manger.

As fro why there so many strip clubs? I guess because they make more money that way (isn't that always the case).

Anyway its a very nice option if you are in a short trip and don't have the time for mamba or don't want to deal with bait and switch.

The question for you as you were there last week, is the price there still 3600 UAH for 3 hours or the adjusted it because if they didn't that means its only $230 for the 3 hours.

Cheers.

[Irish Lad]

This question may have been asked here before:

How is the Kiev P4P scene around New Year's and the Orthodox Christmas?

The next Orthodox Christmas will be on January 7, 2015.

Thanks in advance.

New Years eve is fine but Christmas and Easter are complete writeoffs.

[Putologist]

Ukraine is IMHO nicer.

However, I would avoid that place called Rio, I've been there last week. Oh my, first I was shocked to see it was almost empty and then I understood why, you don't get what you want. With so many male bodyguards / bouncers etc. I ask myself how can a place like this survive for so long time; does somebody knows?. And this is in a expensive street in Kiev BTW.

In general I ask myself why there are so many strip clubs out there. Salons are better, by far, and you get what you want.

Hello forum!

I have a fairly generic question, which I am not even sure has a definitive answer, but here it goes (I have posted the same question in the Russia forum as well). I have the option of visiting either Russia or Ukraine early summer. Even though this may be early but given that this will be a work-related visit I need to do some leg work beforehand, which has me thinking about this question: where to visit? Russia (Moscow or possibly St Petersburg) or Ukraine (Kiev or any other city? I have about 10 days or so to myself after work is done and am looking mainly for freebies. I am not sure of the concept of semi-pros but that maybe an option too. I am in my early 30's and not bad looking. I had a great time recently in SEA and was hoping to repeat the same in Russia / Ukraine as I am very much into the women from this region. So if you were starting your adventures from one of these countries which one would it be? Of course this is if both are reasonably safe by the time of my visit. I understand that the political situation may make one (or even both) of these options moot.

Any advice is appreciated!

[Smdrr]

Hello forum!

I have a fairly generic question, which I am not even sure has a definitive answer, but here it goes (I have posted the same question in the Russia forum as well). I have the option of visiting either Russia or Ukraine early summer. Even though this may be early but given that this will be a work-related visit I need to do some leg work beforehand, which has me thinking about this question: where to visit? Russia (Moscow or possibly St Petersburg) or Ukraine (Kiev or any other city? I have about 10 days or so to myself after work is done and am looking mainly for freebies. I am not sure of the concept of semi-pros but that maybe an option too. I am in my early 30's and not bad looking. I had a great time recently in SEA and was hoping to repeat the same in Russia / Ukraine as I am very much into the women from this region. So if you were starting your adventures from one of these countries which one would it be? Of course this is if both are reasonably safe by the time of my visit. I understand that the political situation may make one (or even both) of these options moot.

Any advice is appreciated!

[Riina]

Any opportunity from this crisis? You would think that with this weak government, it would be open banging anywhere.

[Sorbonne]

This question may have been asked here before:

How is the Kiev P4P scene around New Year's and the Orthodox Christmas?

The next Orthodox Christmas will be on January 7, 2015.

Thanks in advance.

[Sorbonne]

How are things at RIO these days? My duddy went there 2 times after 11 pm 6 months ago and said it was dead. Few customers and the girls were average to below average.

cant believe 1 $ = 16 grn now, wow...

I was there one Saturday night in mid-October.

The place was not packed with male customers, but I thought the quality of girls was better than ever.