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02-12-22 20:14 #22060
Posts: 2844What a Joke
Originally Posted by Nero6 [View Original Post]
What a Fucking joke from a bunch of crooks and thieves where its citizens only weeks ago were camped on the Belarus border trying to get into Poland after paying thousands of $" to flee Iraq.
https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=0qzW39ZVqCw
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02-12-22 19:37 #22059
Posts: 73Originally Posted by Misterxxx [View Original Post]
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02-12-22 17:06 #22058
Posts: 132Originally Posted by PhotoSlider [View Original Post]
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There was good discussion around last spring and summer.
Originally Posted by Misterxxx [View Original Post]
2st: I wouldn't consider it safe to travel at this moment. Nobody can say what will happen to the (return) flights in the next month.
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02-12-22 12:10 #22057
Posts: 30Originally Posted by VinDici [View Original Post]
Also today the Russians start to send there diplomats out of Ukraine and back to Russia.
Also the last couple of day's there just been built a large field hospital on the Russian side of the border.
And from Kiev to the Berlarus border where there are Russian trops only few hours drive.
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02-12-22 11:49 #22056
Posts: 324Originally Posted by Nero6 [View Original Post]
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02-11-22 21:57 #22055
Posts: 30Situation in Ukraine
Many foreign ministry service say do not travel to Ukraine and if you are in Ukraine leave ASP. The situation is out of control and Russia can attack any time.
My advice do not go to Ukraine and if you are in Ukraine leave fast.
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02-11-22 12:50 #22054
Posts: 220Originally Posted by Desin [View Original Post]
Best price if you go right now. Girls need money. Summer = The crisis will be over. Tourists come back. Every nice girl will be on vacation. Or Kyiv will be a part of Russia.
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02-11-22 05:15 #22053
Posts: 823Originally Posted by Desin [View Original Post]
One of my regulars still wants to meet. She is the one that easily allowed me to bring in my new beauties, while she slept on the sofa in leaving room at my apartment. I found her in Kiev in June 2014, when invasion into Eastern Ukraine was in full swing. I didn't notice any difference. Had 6 girls total in 36 hours after landing at KBP, and then departing. Including threesome with beautiful Lana and another no name girl from the good agency, that doesn't exist anymore.
If the history teaches us anything, then you would understand that when times are tough, and the visiting hobbyists are scarce, Ukrainian girls raise prices.
Stop analyzing. You over-engineer it. Just go and fuck them, wherever it strikes your fancy. Africa, Australia, there are girls everywhere. You already mentioned spending too much time on smartphone. Typical mistake in Kiev.
Best of luck!
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02-10-22 20:33 #22052
Posts: 132Originally Posted by PhotoSlider [View Original Post]
My thoughts are that summer 2022 could be different because of the current uncertain political situation. How many people are ready to make plans or book trips to Kiev at this moment? If the situation doesn't dissolve to normal in this month. Or at least the next month. I would expect it to have an impact on tourism on summer season. And that could bring the prices down. If this happens then Kiev would be an interest of mine again.
Let's see how it plays out.
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02-10-22 03:12 #22051
Posts: 823Originally Posted by Desin [View Original Post]
For me, there are women whom I consider interesting. These are highly intelligent and either educated or creative persons. Then there are the women I want to fuck. It is extremely rare for these two to coincide.
I met a girl from Tinder in Kiev and she even did the joke about me offering money for sex, but since I hesitated with "is this a trap"-thought (like would she just delete me from contacts) and instead went for the non-sexual approach (we went to take pictures for some hours) I didn't dare to ask it again. It would have been exactly what I had hoped for. In retrospect I understand that she would have not kept that age group in Tinder, if it wasn't for money.
at the present moment, I don't really want to get to know the girl I want to fuck. If I find a girl really interesting, I actually want to have many hours of conversation with her. The sex would spoil something of it, for me.
Yeah, I mix and interweave all sorts of female personalities and behavior. Creates an interesting fabric of my life.
But one could get lucky. And also scammed and robbed.
I feel that a requirement for a successful visit would be to have at least one reliable and enjoyable contact, with whom one can have sex in each day he wants.
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02-09-22 20:48 #22050
Posts: 132Originally Posted by PhotoSlider [View Original Post]
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The problem with agencies and apartments is the lack of English and the sheer number of hit-and-misses one would have to make. So other venues where English is used is the way for me. I'm not comfortable to approach girls on the street, even though there were situations were regular girls did give some looks. I regret that I didn't realize to spend time in the main street after 22 pm, as some said that there are local girls there who are looking for clients. This and Mamba could be an option. Or an agency with 100% real pictures of the girls bodies. I think that the competition in Tinder is really high. I mean that you got to have those pics that would do it for regular girls as well. And the prices too, so that's not an realistic venue to pursue girls. But one could get lucky. And also scammed and robbed.
I liked Kiev a lot. Unfortunately I was too busy with my phone trying to find contacts that I couldn't enjoy it in real holiday sense. I feel that a requirement for a successful visit would be to have at least one reliable and enjoyable contact, with whom one can have sex in each day he wants. This would take out the pressure and the rest would be just a bonus. And no need to waste hours and hours for the search on the ground. It already takes so lot of time to try to find them before arriving the destination.
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02-09-22 19:51 #22049
Posts: 823Down the memory lane
Desin,
Apologies if my posts come across as patronizing and less than useful. Indeed I miss those glorious days in Kiev dearly.
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02-09-22 19:28 #22048
Posts: 823Originally Posted by Desin [View Original Post]
Whoever says language unimportant is wrong. One has better chances with semi-pro or civilians when communication is at the deeper level. Besides you are not treated as a sex tourist.
Sure I have friends visiting Kiev regularly only with English, and strictly for rented love. But they visit periodically, and establish reliable contacts, subsequently with better quality of service. Girls got to have fun too, and entertainment is enjoyed together. No secret.
Major factor is time. If you think Mamba is a waste of effort, then you approach Kiev girls from the consumer's point of view. And Kiev girls don't care. They think differently. Unless you want a quick fuck from an overpriced pro at the Arena City or Rio or mediocre encounter in the corner bedroom of a club or an agency apartment, you shouldn't bother going to Kiev. The industry for our hobby is marketed perfectly over there, but it is not designed to please the visitor. It is designed to maximize the profit. Dream factory.
Where else in the world? It depends on you before seeking any advice. Wishful thinking leads to unjustified expenses. At least you are honest in your expectations, Desin. Helps to make a decision.
For myself personally Kiev is top 3 destination worldwide, and not just for hobby. Considering that I am native speaker, it is the only one I consider.
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02-09-22 12:53 #22047
Posts: 30Situation in Kiev now
I have not been in Kiev for long time. I just talk with a local friend from Kiev he told me that there are military control at the access roads to Kiev now. He also said that people start to go to the mountains and countryside now (and make a plan to leave the city very fast). And that people are more scared now than for just 10-12 day's ago (because that Russia now have send warships into The Black Sea and that new satellite pictures show that the Russian army have trops at the border between Belarus and Ukraine very close to Kiev.
My friend told me there are a other atmosphere there now than just for 1 week ago.
Be careful if you go to Ukraine at this moment.
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02-09-22 04:59 #22046
Posts: 823Originally Posted by Desin [View Original Post]
How many girls do you need? I am satisfied with alternating 3, up to 5. Sourcing them from hourly agencies, Rio, GIA in the past, massage places, barber shops, anywhere, and then friends of those girls. I used to pay GIA prices, and then didn't see the need. One GIA girl referenced me to her roommate, and while that new one was less refined, I had her for 5-9 hours, including greek, for a total of 2000 UAH. I would say she was about 7, not exactly intelligent, yet passionate in bed, and I thoroughly enjoyed our time together.
Desin, let me give you one of my easy sources. It is very time consuming, but I enjoy the process of seduction.
What is the massage price in Kiev? I don't even look at the menu, as my objective is not to have a hand job, but rather make an acquaintance, get her phone number. And I am not limited by 1 private dance at the strip club, I have full hour, and much more contact with the beauty. A good girl would tell me what she prefers. Usually 1500-1900 UAH total, and I do not ask what's included. I don't care, as with one of them eventually I will get everything, including full service, which is not even on the menu while on premises.
Again, I do not let them touch my private parts. My sperm can be utilized in a more efficient manner. Instead I offer to give them massage, and being bored to death most of them are thrilled. With more than half of the girls it progresses to DATY before they realize how sneaky I am. One girl out of 5 agrees to meet somewhere else. I offer it only to those I qualify through our conversation as worthy candidates. I speak 5 languages.
The easiest is to ask if she is available for an outcall and offer to pay her directly, cutting out the management. But that part can be tricky, and I surely don't want to be perceived as a creep. One of them I offered a lunch or dinner. I asked her for a category of a restaurant that she likes: sushi or seafood in general is great. I make the decision where to go. If she doesn't show up, I eat solo. Her loss.
I am genuinely interested in learning more about that young lady's personality. And I don't ever raise the subject of sex. That helps me to get full service eventually in a more natural non-professional way. Since I have a few girls to keep me busy, I am not eager to escalate it. Girls expect me pressing them for sex, as they are bombarded with offers through Instagram and at work, but I don't. Their curiosity makes them flirt more intensely, as they try to leverage their power over me, and eventually we end up in bed.
Sure along the way I spend money, but I can afford GIA, and I can certainly afford country girls from massage parlors. I identify their true needs, and I am not associated with gold diggers anyway.
How much do I pay for their company? It averages out to about 10 bucks an hour with the best girls of GIA caliber, if we are talking days together. On a few hours date it is no more than 1000 UAH / hour. One of the girls had a fixed price of 3000 uah per date plus moderate expenses along the way.
Ultimately it's my time. Admittedly this will not work for many. It does for me.
Asking a massage girl in Kiev about a quick fuck offering her 70-120 bucks ain't going to work. No offense meant, Desin.