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04-09-16 14:47 #15535
Posts: 74Central Europe Forum 2016 reports, top to bottom, seldom an encouraging word.
With only a rare exception, such as Jojo's advice from Szczecin, pretty much from Albania, to Armenia, Azerbaijan, Belarus, Bosnia, Croatia, Baltics, Georgia, Moldova, and Serbia, if you read what members are posting as of late, the common theme seems to be a major lack of success to find opportunities for getting acquainted with above average non-pro ladies to establish GFE sponsorships.
There seems to be no lack of beautiful ladies in these places, endless streams of pretty pedestrians on their way somewhere, in cafes, night spots, and shops, etc. , but if what is posted is accurate, they're unfortunately always just out of reach eye candy for non-oligarch visitors, or in other words, us.
Themes tend to revolve around being ripped off at strip clubs for expensive drinks, unfriendly dancers, massage joint hand jobs, and women uninterested in pleasure, but instead intent upon emptying men's wallets defiantly trying to have it all. I would suspect that many members posting from these countries must have been there for business, and so they didn't have any choice to travel elsewhere.
But for anyone that does have a choice, once again I'll encourage you to think out of the box, to venture beyond the commonly traveled paths, eastward to the source. Russia is far from perfect. Putting too much of your trust in the wrong person can be a dangerous minefield waiting for you to make a misstep to blow off your legs.
But on the other hand, there are so many more normal average nice people willing and pleased to have positive friendly relationships, if you show them respect, some admiration, and if you are consistently generous. The investments of your time, efforts, patience, and sponsorships can lead to the GFE rewards that are clearly not evident in the vast majority of what is posted west of Russia's borders.
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04-09-16 12:53 #15534
Posts: 2844Dinner date scams?
Originally Posted by Jojosun [View Original Post]
2 Places to avoid anyway, Kaiserhof and Tarantino Grill according to tripadvisor.
https://www.tripadvisor.co.uk/ShowUserReviews-g294
Kiev Scam".
Review of Kaiserhof.
https://www.tripadvisor.co.uk/ShowUserReviews-g294
Complete Scam".
Review of Tarantino Grill & Wine Bar.
Requests for gifts and additional expenses by Mamba girl are at your discretion and how to handle the situation if she brings up the subject.
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04-08-16 17:28 #15533
Posts: 2844Scam or no scam?
Originally Posted by SgtBoyle2 [View Original Post]
Even if this turns out to be a scam, then lesson is learned and there are plenty of Mermaids left in the Dnipro for you to dip your toes into the water.
Originally Posted by LuisVega11 [View Original Post]
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04-07-16 20:29 #15532
Posts: 62New one on me
Thank you Luis.
You make an interesting point. Personally I don't mind paying for the right girl I just wasn't sure if there were any additional charges. I stay in high end hotels and l expect to pay high end prices for my girls as well as my accommodation. If the said lady was just checking that I'll pay then for me that's no different than presenting your credit card when you check into a hotel. I respect her professionalism.
Personally I don't buy into this idea that the bigger spenders spoil the market for everyone else. Ukrainian girls are smart enough to know you charge the rich guy more than the poor guy because there are not enough rich guys to go round. What I do think has happened and has not been commented on is that $ P4P prices have not decreased to reflect the devaluation of the Hryvnia. For a Ukrainian $100 is now worth more than it was 2 years ago and yet $ prices for girls have not changed. This means a girl in Skybar or Avalon only has to get one guy to pay €300 plus and she's set for the month: the rents paid. That I suspect is what's affecting supply. It's not that people like me are paying more it's because we're paying the same but in $.
I agree with you that Ukrainian women are angry. I think the whole of Ukraine is angry. They were promised the West but have been left with nothing.
Personally I'm just looking for the right deal for me. Right girl, right price I am happy. Each to their own.
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04-07-16 18:34 #15531
Posts: 18Originally Posted by SgtBoyle2 [View Original Post]
Good luck!
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04-07-16 15:26 #15530
Posts: 106Originally Posted by SgtBoyle2 [View Original Post]
This girl you chat in mamba is a professions of scum. She posted in mamba,. Then forced you to go in web chat just to see if your behavior are commanded by head or dick. I see dick. Then she will meet in Kiev and make you give her money for pussy. She's not serious.
The only girl series in girl are those with good family, very small %, and girl coming from village. The rest is a hole to be fucked and nothing more.
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04-07-16 11:41 #15529
Posts: 332Still the best!
I truly do not understand why everyone is so down on Kiev. The girls are beautiful to watch and can be had for a reasonable price. I think we had settled long ago (check the forum) that the price for sex is about (1) 10 times the price of a haircut, (2) the price of your hotel per night, or (3) the price of 3 dates. Of course, the quality of your haircut, hotel and dates might vary. Nevertheless, in Kiev, that comes up to about 1000 UAH. , 2000 UAH is you want to go high class. Hard core VIP professional girls (like in Gia) start at 2000 UAH, and remember, half of that goes to the agency. Regular girls, whether students, secretaries, engineers, receptionists, nurses, administrative assistants, teachers, etc) earn 3000 to 5000 uah per month. Unless you are a fat and ugly mofo, you hsoudl be able to get a beautiful girl for around 1000 without much problem.
It helps when you go often, and of course, when you live there. I go 3 or 4 times per year, and I usually have some contacts form the previous visit, and work on some new ones (50/50 ratio is good).
I wrote an extensive report a while back and I will not repeat myself. Others have said as much. Day game is important. A confident approach is essential. Polite flirtation will grease the wheels. Money will seal the deal.
If a women likes you a little, but figures you will not stay around for marriage, she might still want to have sex. Women are human. One week's pay (1000 UAH) will definitely sweeten the deal for her. Of course, if you have no charm and are the fattest and ugliest mofo in the planet, you will have to pay a lot more.
I will be back soon, and afterwards I will write a comprehensive report for the naysayers and novices out there.
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04-06-16 09:18 #15528
Posts: 62A new one on me
Wondering whether my brother mongers have had any similar experiences. Due in to Kiev at the end of the month and so duly started the trawl through Mamba. Making little headway, it's getting tougher, when I got a reply from an attractive (8/9) lady in her mid 20's. Chat then followed and she seemed like a regular girl, no mention of money and happy to just talk. She asked me to send further photos which I did and then when I asked for her to send me some she suddenly announced she was a webcam model. Sent me her link but made it clear it was up to me whether I looked. Well of course I couldn't resist although I've never been into the web cam scene. I have no objection to P4P when it comes to Mamba girls.
She turns out to be even more beautiful in the flesh.
Still writes to me as before and says she's keen to meet for dinner as we previously agreed. In all respects seems a true find but worrying if I'm missing something. Is this just another scam? Have other mongrels similar experiences? It's a new one on me.
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04-02-16 00:10 #15527
Posts: 2844Then and now.
Originally Posted by Riina [View Original Post]
Dawn of the Dacia.
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04-01-16 23:20 #15526
Posts: 2844Many thanks Riina
Originally Posted by Riina [View Original Post]
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04-01-16 22:50 #15525
Posts: 709Originally Posted by Jojosun [View Original Post]Originally Posted by OlderChap [View Original Post]
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04-01-16 17:12 #15524
Posts: 2844When in Kiev
Originally Posted by Barba [View Original Post]
Kiev is not like before, and who on here is like before?? And if you talked with guys, ex mongers of a certain age who were stationed in Germany (US Military) late 60's,you would've got told, that mongering in Germany was better before as the girls were German and the best part of mongering then in the olden days was being picked up by very attractive girls in shiny Mercedes cruising some streets in Frankfurt, some even parked at street corners.
Anyone here can confirm that?
Nothing like what it is today in Frankfurt when it comes to street sex " Street prostitution is legal in Frankfurt in one part of the town, called the tolerance zone. This is in the two parallel side streets of Theodor-Heuss-Allee (between Galvanistrasse and Kreuznacher Strasse), directly north side of the Frankfurt fair. The side street leading out of the town also has a few transsexuals. Rates are starting at 25 Euro for full play, but can also be lower depending on the urge of the lady. There is a much lower chance to find prostitutes, if it is daytime, not exhibition or very cold outside".
We talk about what's in Kiev and how to hit on Ukrainian girls, semi pros, sponsoring and someone would even tell you to " Ditch Kiev " and head to one of the weirdo sounding republics,. Stan in Asia as you get pussies there very cheaply compared to Kiev. "Full sex + Golden Rain" there is only US $ 30 there, any takers?
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03-31-16 22:22 #15523
Posts: 1233Originally Posted by LuisVega11 [View Original Post]
I think it has been established many times that Kiev is not like "before", and that Germany is better for FKK and commercialized sex due to it's status of legality. I would also advice anyone to fly to Kiev or Ukraine only for meeting prostitutes. It is generally a waste of time and money.
What we discuss here is not however Kiev is better than Germany or any other place, but rater how, who and where for the ones who do choose to actually go to Kiev for some reason.
One can assume that just because the visiting brothers does not choose to post the pictures here, we all hit the occasional subjective ten-pointer every now and then, also in Kiev. They are everywhere for someone and nowhere for everyone.
Esatikkanen, you have an email with four Mamba profiles that are reliable "normal working girls", as requested in your post.
Have fun and be a gentleman.
Barba
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03-31-16 17:10 #15522
Posts: 2844Barba's info
Originally Posted by Barba [View Original Post]
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03-31-16 16:44 #15521
Posts: 709Originally Posted by LuisVega11 [View Original Post]