Kyiv

[IdiotSavant]

So my report is going to essentially be a review of 2021. I am seriously dating someone now here and Ill admit most of my activity was extensive. I'll include my opinions and experiences. Yours may vary. I spent roughly 25000 USD on girls in 5 months. This included what was essentially daily fucking of girls ranging from 2200 to 3000 an hour and occasional extras. Right now I have been out of the game for six months and I'm writing this as more of a gesture of goof will than a current FAQ. I would have posted updates but apartment managers and so forth used to send girls multiple times a week and I sometimes wonder if they view these forums.

I essentially spent most of my money on girls from Darlings and Golden Harem. I have very specific tastes and strongly prefer the girls who look 18 to 19.

One thing I noticed is that many of the older girls I settled for would be far better in bed. In fact the young looking girls I preferred rarely impressed. What's ironic though is my best fucks were usually always in the 2200 range.

What I noticed is the apartments weren't super busy and I suspect relied on heavy spenders. Darlings eventually shut down in March and stole money from multiple girls and male associates along with the apartments associated with then.

90% of girls weren't scammers at worst they phoned it in and were boring during sex.

I had one issue where a girl left early stole the managers purse and didn't return them money. She had been trying to lure me to a club all night.

I find its best not to get to know the girls to well. Best I dealt with was a few civilian dates with a fellow artist. Most would try to scam for money claiming its loans.

What I noticed is a lot of the same apartments run multiple ads with multiple phone numbers on Relax Kyiv. Its made jumping back in an annoyance.

I considered trying Dolls or Harem this week but your reviews just steered me away. After a year here I have no interest in flashing cash. I have a nice girlfriend at home and I simply want hot 18 19 year old girls to fuck.

It seems prices went up now most ads list for 3000 to 4500 and the talent isn't anything out of the world. I would happily pay it if these girls looked like Hustler Barely Legal models all day long but most girls are fake tits and mid twenties and lots of makeup.

Honestly despite spending a lot I have always felt there is a hidden untapped viable high end market with good prices under the surface. Most girls last winter only made 1100 of the 2200 an hour per fuck. I had a girl who was a hot college student do 1400 an hour direct eventually regularly.

Not a lot of ways to make money here and the apartments do a shitty job marketing and communicating and the clubs are a scam minefield and girls never approach and hard sell. It just seems like there may be better options than the surface level apartment chains for girls.

If anyone knows feel free to DM me.

Also happy to answer any questions.

I've been with over 20 girls in my first six months here and I still don't feel like I am tapping the true potential of the place maybe I'm just kicking a dead horse.

[Guntherus]

You experience is what is called "anecdotal evidence" which means that you've had a good experience, but it means nothing on the larger scale.

The fact remains that the so called "teahouse scam" is age old and crosses just about every culture. You can go onto any major destination forum on Tripadvisor for example and you'll find a pinned first post warning people of this very tourist dupe. If you make a connection with a girl over some time and there's trust is one thing, to get rinsed straight of the bat is another.

With all due respect, we do not discuss if scammers exist, but if there is only special category of people that we must suspect: taxi drivers, landlords, marriage agencies or whatever. Excort girls. Some people we meet are hardcore survivalists of their business that we have little chance to compete with. Some are nice and helpful. We must know to draw the line when we smell foul play. In the teahouse scam, I ask for the manager, and he (or she) will stop the scam. To be specific, this was in Caribbean Dinner and in Sultan restaurant. And in general: If you don't speak the local language (in any culture), don't go to a non-English speaking venue as a paying customer. And don't let your guest make the order. Slavic girls are not used to.

[DramaFree11]

Yes.

I don't understand the snarky / insecure comments that permeate this entire board. When I travel, I travel for leisure and don't have the time to invest in a wannabe working girl (aka "good girl" My time is valuable and I want a sure thing. I pay for that and sometimes I pay a lot for that. Why do any of you care? The fact the number is even shared is nothing more than a data point. On any given day, money doesn't make the top three things that I concern myself with and when I'm mongering I doubt if it makes the top ten. I can afford it; some of you can and some can't why be an ass about it when we're just trying to educate each other?

On my last trip to Kyiv I spent an entire week with a stripper from one of the major clubs. She went so far as to trade days off with another girl from a different week so she had 4 contiguous days off so we could fly to another city for a concert and I didn't have to pay her a thing (Did I give her money anyway? Absolutely). When back in Kyiv and she had to report to work I bought her out of the club every night and she basically spent an entire week with me without ever setting foot in the club other than to pay her fee on my behalf. On my last night in town I rented a large sauna room with pool, proper sauna, cold plunge pool, two bedrooms and 3 toilets (I think can't remember). It cost less than what I would have spent in a 5 star hotel room for the same night. This all cost me a shit ton of money and it was worth every penny. That's my story if you don't like it, don't do it, but I really don't care what you think about the cost. If you want to foot some of the bill next time I'd be happy to listen to whatever you have to say..

Not sure I would be bragging about spending $500-800, or more a night in Kiev. Your money!

[FilthyBeaver]

You experience is what is called "anecdotal evidence" which means that you've had a good experience, but it means nothing on the larger scale.

The fact remains that the so called "teahouse scam" is age old and crosses just about every culture. You can go onto any major destination forum on Tripadvisor for example and you'll find a pinned first post warning people of this very tourist dupe. If you make a connection with a girl over some time and there's trust is one thing, to get rinsed straight of the bat is another.

+1, Google the restaurant and read the reviews. Places like this that spiff the girls will have plenty of negative reviews. There's an Italian restaurant and karaoke bar in the Premier Palace hotel that supposedly does this but I googled it before we arrived and told her we're going somewhere else. She didn't walk away upset, we had a good meal somewhere and spent the rest of the night in my room.

[TheManager]

And what is a pro? Stripper in club, escort service, street worker, Mamba girlfriend? I have had girls who suggesting nice romantic restaurant with fair prices, other adviced me from inviting her to Avalon cause she spotted that I am not an oligark. They were honest good girls meeting me for money. Generalisations give false confidence and usually come from insecurity. Listen to all, judge for yourself.

You experience is what is called "anecdotal evidence" which means that you've had a good experience, but it means nothing on the larger scale.

The fact remains that the so called "teahouse scam" is age old and crosses just about every culture. You can go onto any major destination forum on Tripadvisor for example and you'll find a pinned first post warning people of this very tourist dupe. If you make a connection with a girl over some time and there's trust is one thing, to get rinsed straight of the bat is another.

[Jahan]

And what is a pro? Stripper in club, escort service, street worker, Mamba girlfriend? I have had girls who suggesting nice romantic restaurant with fair prices, other adviced me from inviting her to Avalon cause she spotted that I am not an oligark. They were honest good girls meeting me for money. Generalisations give false confidence and usually come from insecurity. Listen to all, judge for yourself.

Saying Hello, and get news updated.

First of all I like to say Hello, again to admin, and the Kiev forum here. I was many years ago a subscribed member and active in this forum, I did more enjoyed to read your reports but from time to time replied as well from south east Asia to China, Europe etc. Any way today I decide to register myself again, I am getting pre-retired, so more time to spare. I am heading to Ukraine visit Kiev again after 1.5 years and what I read about the strip clubs and pricing is taking my shoes off. Really I was there before pandemic start and remember on price as well as attitudes nowadays as my local friends explained and from what I read here I assume this new year party will be just sitting in my rented apartment on Maidan and buy my beers traditionally from Globus and watch porn at home. Not even F. Massage Kiev or relax Kiev allow to have real deal with the girl but want me to pay 12000+Uah for 6 hours having massage or go anywhere with girl but wrote in mail feedback "You are not allowed to Fuck the girl! So I asked him (whoever was) so I pay for all drinks eat, and the girl service just for she make me hard and I must go to release myself? WTF than shall I pay for the girl+ funny is they describe the girl in the website for example "our new prostitute" If she is prostitute what would be than her job to get the money for? I ask myself. As I read the girls also became as aggressive as the brain amputated door keeper they call body guard which is mostly a fat boy full of Sh. Who cannot move himself in a rush despite to guard someone) So I like to ask if some of you has reliable tip for the actual situation or any hidden link since I don't use the stupid Facebook and the Ukrainian sex website are 99.9% full of shit it means by evidence fake photo and after I call most of the girls say "Oh I am not the girl on photo " but any website in this range is using always 80% of the same photos which means you cannot trust what you get! So I was thinking if the hookers come on the streets or other venues where at least we can see what we get for the money? Thanks for any feedback.

P.S: good to be back again.

[FilthyBeaver]

And what is a pro? Stripper in club, escort service, street worker, Mamba girlfriend?

Yes.

I don't understand the snarky / insecure comments that permeate this entire board. When I travel, I travel for leisure and don't have the time to invest in a wannabe working girl (aka "good girl" My time is valuable and I want a sure thing. I pay for that and sometimes I pay a lot for that. Why do any of you care? The fact the number is even shared is nothing more than a data point. On any given day, money doesn't make the top three things that I concern myself with and when I'm mongering I doubt if it makes the top ten. I can afford it; some of you can and some can't why be an ass about it when we're just trying to educate each other?

On my last trip to Kyiv I spent an entire week with a stripper from one of the major clubs. She went so far as to trade days off with another girl from a different week so she had 4 contiguous days off so we could fly to another city for a concert and I didn't have to pay her a thing (Did I give her money anyway? Absolutely). When back in Kyiv and she had to report to work I bought her out of the club every night and she basically spent an entire week with me without ever setting foot in the club other than to pay her fee on my behalf. On my last night in town I rented a large sauna room with pool, proper sauna, cold plunge pool, two bedrooms and 3 toilets (I think can't remember). It cost less than what I would have spent in a 5 star hotel room for the same night. This all cost me a shit ton of money and it was worth every penny. That's my story if you don't like it, don't do it, but I really don't care what you think about the cost. If you want to foot some of the bill next time I'd be happy to listen to whatever you have to say.

The moral of all of this is anything is possible and YMMV. Chemistry is key and when you find a gem, seize the fuck out of it. If you want to get laid for free or cheap, best of luck to you. Let us know how you did it, there is value in that for some people.

[Guntherus]

Never go to a venue suggested by a pro.

And what is a pro? Stripper in club, escort service, street worker, Mamba girlfriend? I have had girls who suggesting nice romantic restaurant with fair prices, other adviced me from inviting her to Avalon cause she spotted that I am not an oligark. They were honest good girls meeting me for money. Generalisations give false confidence and usually come from insecurity. Listen to all, judge for yourself.

[Riina]

So a friend of mine from Israel sent me a video of the scam investigation (done by a local youtube chann

Your probably sitting at home thinking that you could never be so stupid to fall for such a scam. The reality is mongering is the same minefield and a trip to Kiev will force you to walk it.

[TheManager]

Hey guys,

So a friend of mine from Israel sent me a video of the scam investigation (done by a local youtube channel).

Few weeks ago his friend was scamed in this way when trying to find a Ukrainian girlfriend =(.

Never go to a venue suggested by a pro.

[Ivan Buyan]

Hey guys,

So a friend of mine from Israel sent me a video of the scam investigation (done by a local youtube channel).

Few weeks ago his friend was scamed in this way when trying to find a Ukrainian girlfriend =(.

You could have heard of it before but what I saw was a "new level".

All of you heard about what they call "consumation".

It is when a stripper or just a girl you met offline gets a % from the food / drinks you order. Usually it is 10-25% and its normal practice in many place (that's why strippers like fresh pine apple juice so much, cause it costs a lot=).

And here is "consumation" 2. 0. First of all it is aimed not just at drunk pussy seekers from abroad but works great on locals. Moreover, they told this scam (they even found the creator of it) works in Russia, Ukraine, Italy and god knows where else.

Here's the thing. You find a girl online, you start talking and she tells you she is rich (her dad owns an IT company), she has business and definitelly doesn't need any sponsor. You like her very much (because they have a team of professional "sellers" speaking to you and not a girl). So you arrange a meeting.

The girls says something like "ok, lets meet, I will pick you up with my driver". They pick you up in a place where there are no cafes / restaurants you ride in some direction and then the girls says something like: "I'm so hungry, let's stop somewhere, I will grab some food home". And you guessed it right. You stop at a special place which looks like a cafe but in fact it works only for this scam and is closed to public and has crazy prices like 2000 UAH for a drink and 5000 UAH for a salad. The dude pays, girl gets %.

They showed a video where 1 girl would bring FEW fools to the restaurant in 1 night!

You may check the video here https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wgoU...nnel=BIHUSinfo.

[Ringudor]

I was at the Dolls strip club a few days ago and asked what it cost to sit by the couch. This now costs 8000 Grivna.

I did not think it was true so I had to ask another waitress who confirmed the price. This is complete madness!

Crazy.

You saw people sit at couches? If they ask this money it means someone agrees to pay it.

[Ricko85]

I was at the Dolls strip club a few days ago and asked what it cost to sit by the couch. This now costs 8000 Grivna.

I did not think it was true so I had to ask another waitress who confirmed the price. This is complete madness!

[Deleted by Admin]For 8000 grivna, you can have fun in strip clubs in Kharkiv for 2 nights and fuck strippers on both nights.

If you want to see bigger strip clubs, you can visit Lviv. It's not as cheap as Kharkiv, but I'm sure it's cheaper than in Kiev. I have articles about both cities. I recommend you take a look.

[James 006]

I was at the Dolls strip club a few days ago and asked what it cost to sit by the couch. This now costs 8000 Grivna.

I did not think it was true so I had to ask another waitress who confirmed the price. This is complete madness!

[Riina]

Depends on how you dress and how you carry yourself. A majority of all the bottle tables in the premier nightclubs are filled by older guys.

Age has nothing to do with it.

Them are the chumps paying 500 for a table. I pay for pussy behind closed doors, I don't pay for fake friend behind a table.