Kyiv

[Arbat]

2c for Parcifal:

I know how you can feel, after reading all that stuff in the forum and not being able to catch anything in the field.

If you are new to CIS countries probably it will be hard for you to change your attitude and find a path to the heart of these ladies. The way you dress, your average look, your knowledge of russian are not the main issue here. The main issue is who you are inside, your energy, your self confidence, the way you act. If you don't want to pay, of course.

I think Vegamars gave you some good tips. Even if I don't know how he looks like, whether or not he speaks some russian, how much he wastes in dinners or gifts, his general attitude is winning in these countries. This doesn't mean that you can have THE woman you liked, but for sure you can find A woman that suits your needs.

My suggestion is to follow what Vegamars and other people already wrote: be relaxed, try and try again, play your cards.

PS. forget about being succesful with normal girls in Lviv! But if you really want to go there and search for a student, you can visit the disco Picasso (if it's still working...)

Let us know

[Vegamars]

The keyword is hidden in your own words: trying to approach in a ''decent'' way doesn't work in Kiev! That's why you have to invite the group of dancing girls to yourself and change the style of dancing a little bit by making it private.
You can heat up in River Palace and continue in Freedom! It really works and that's how I live Kiev all my life,whether I'm there or not?!?
The details of how you get through are actually not so important. A common misbelief throughout the entire forum as well as this particular one is that merely trying to follow up what others suggest will lead into pure success! However,the enjoyable and fun part is trying to figure out your own way,no matter how wrong it is,as the wronger it is the quicker you'll accomplish.

[Uke Boy]

John,

This birthday trip for your friend sounds like the best gift you can give him. This is a great place to celebrate in the best possible way.

I suggest you start with Snowy's report from 12/7/03. It is an accurate, detailed and very up to date report on the city and its current best places and the action. Between now and March is a long time so your best bet would be to follow the threads here. New clubs and places are opening all the time so just be a regular reader.

I am not sure about the question of taxi/chauffeur drivers helping you about. It is a very much hit-or-miss since there are no such "regular" services that I know of. I would not encourage possible use of this since you may end up very disappointed. It is not a part of the regular scene here.

Follow the advice in the forum that is your best bet.

Parcifal

I do not want to re-open the language discussion again but it REALLY helps if you know Russian. Believe me, I know, from experience here and in Moscow.

However, Kiev is not Moscow or other places where I have run into many ladies who know at least basic English and try to use it. For some reason, even those who are beyond basic here tend to be very reluctant to use it in social situations.

I do not know but jumping into a group of ladies dancing by themselves sounds like a great way to start a conversation. Try it, what do you have to lose? It may well end up the best time of your life.

[Snowy]

Parcifal

Your experience with the non-pros sounds just like my first trip to Russia (SPB) a few years ago. It's easy to read these boards and think you just need to step onto the street, look at a girl and some Slavic angel will immedeately join you for a drink, followed by a date at a club in the evening and 12 hours of mind-blowing sex! Doesn't quite work that way; shame!

I wouldn't worry about your lack of Russian - the more you speak, the more people you can speak to, but this aside it shouldn't stop you having a good time.

I think the trick - and you'll read this all over the Kiev and Russian boards - is just to behave as confidently as possibly. I wouldn't dream of acting like I do in Russia/Ukraine anywhere else I've been. You simply can't be shy and wait for the girls to initiate contact. You said you've had no luck yet, just a few glances - those were contacts mate! Turn round and bold and brass go and introduce yourself. Sure you'll get knocked back a few times, but your success rate will be far greater than you would think. The more people you try to talk to "cold", the better you'll get it at it. If it doesn't come naturally though the first few times can be rough, but suck it it in and get in there - the rewards are so, so, so very worth it!!

If you need have some set opening questions in English (this will help determine if they speak English) - have you got a light. you're lost and can they direct you to your hotel, you're new in town and want to know if they could reccomend a good club/restaurant, do they want to dance, do they want a drink - anything to get a conversation going. Then it's down to your own ability to charm, but you've got to stay really positive, confident and keep them engaged and focussed on you.

If the girls you are speaking to are really a non-pros, do remember they may not appreciate being treated like a hooker! Just keep them involved in a conversation, be generous (not horribly lavish, just as you might be with a date back in your own country), be courteous, be interested in her, be complimentary and things will happen.

Pretty obvious stuff but I've found it really works. Good luck!

[Parcifal]

Hi guys,

I've been in Kiev 4 days now but no luck with the ladies sofar... (the non-pros that is)
In my opinion it's nearly impossible to approach them in a decent fashion.

I'm 31, quite tall, not bad looking and try to dress smart but except from some glances now and then there seems to be no real interest, and it's hard to invite yourself to a group of dancing girls I think.

My Russian is quite limited, this might have something to do with it. How do you experienced mongerers do it?

I will be in Lviv from tomorrow till friday and am back in Kiev for next weekend 27-28 Dec.

Anyone wanna hookup?

[Armorer]

Ok, I have just finished adding 2 photo's to the gallery. One is from my first Visit and first girl in Kiev, the second is from my latest Visit. Oh what I have learned. I am about to return to Kiev in January. I have a few more photo's but no time to hunt them up these were easy to find. I hope you enjoy.
If anyone will be there during Jan and like to talk over a drink let me know.

[John Quakman]

I am planing to give my best friend a little birthday mongering trip to Kiev in March. I have been to Kiev 2 times in the past but strickly business and did not partake in any of the local girls so while I'm experienced in Kiev I am a Newbie in the scene. I want this to be a memorable trip for my friend, who turns 60 and is still going strong.

The two past trips I had a driver/guide available 24 hr who was an interpeter / guide / driver and was an excellent way to learn about the city. I was hoping that I could engage a similar service but with the added area of expertise of mongering. If any fellow mongers can refer me to a source I would be grateful. We plan on spending 3-4 days in Kiev.

[Uke Boy]

Hi All,

I have been away for a meeting in Vienna, then busy as heck here. I was checking the forum but could not really contribute. I see that Mangus Adolescent had been a very bad boy and his recent posts deleted.

I came back and went to one of Eric's bars here. For those of you who do not know Eric, he is a wonderful entrepreneur here who has a number of bars and clubs that he owns with his wife. They are all different and are amongst the best places to hang out and meet the locals who are mostly not "pay for play." However, you do pay in other ways such as you would on a regular date back home...

Kiev is just one of those amazing places. This is where a guys not unlike RIC and myself (I am close in many of the ways he describes himself) can meet and then spend days and nights of pure sex and lust with a girl of 22! When I was 22 or 23, I never met such ladies who were just this good looking and sexually insatiable.

This latest lady, Marina, is a doll. Another blondie, a secretary, 5'6", it has been just a blur for the last three days. I am now off to meet her for dinner and it will be another night and all day tomorrow.

I am going to need next week away from her and recover, but with a big smile.

[Sour Honey]

For those that asked me the addresses of the sites I surfed.... not too much new I think, but here the list.
The last is not a site but an Ukrainian portal. but on it you can find a lot of other sites.

http://friendfinder.com/

http://adultfriendfinder.com/

http://www.ua-dating.com/

http://www.russianbrides.com/

http://meta-ukraine.com/en/

(I do not want to hide you some other things.... the fact (Alzheimer!) is that I don't recall where I picked some other girls..... really! :-)

Do pobachennya

UH... to another guy..... I do NOT speak Russian.... just a hundredth of words.... but enough (I hope) to help me....:-)

[Sour Honey]

Exactly, Mangus,
Friend finder (not Adult!) and some other "serious" sites.
I have had 6 successes on 15 E-mails (at present...huge grow from last day!) !!!!
They have seen my picture, so they know how ugly I ma, know my age (50) but all they agreed with an initial appointment!
And half of them have given their phone number, praying me to call them when in Kiev..... Praying me?!? .... I would pray them ....!

And moreover (as I said to friend (Hey Tosc!) I sent a super-short E-mail to start the thing at the limit of decency..... like:
I will be in Kiev, would you meet me?" and few else!!!
If I will receive an E-mail like this.... I would never answer for sure.... how rude! .... But .... it functioned!

One is for sure a girl that seeks money, but she is seeking money in a hubby, so may be that also that experience will not be so bad....:-)

Other 5 are between 22 (one!) and 29. To me is a record unbeated also in my thirties....

Anyway, I will get what they give..... may be pushing them a bit with flowers and candies....:-)

Ciao for now

[Bez Bezarra]

Hey RIC!

What exactly are the "non-pros" sites? Are you talking about dating sites like
Adult Friend Finder? Are your "appointments" just that the girl agreed to a first time meeting for a coffee? I'm not surpised at your success, I think its because you're a foreigner. The Kiev girls probably just don't want the smoking/drinking Ukrainian guys, if they can have something better.

I have a friend in London who prefers the divorced 28 to 35 year-olds that have 1 or 2 children. He likes them to have a lot of experience, hoping that they'll jam a finger up his arse, or vice-versa. You know those Limeys and their buggering! He also thinks that being divorced, they won't waste any of his precious time being coy, so they'll be hot and ready for plenty of action with a foreigner, and that they'll be so grateful for the sausage injections, that they won't ask him for more than buying meals and token gifts of appreciation.

I said before I like the amatuer less experienced college student types, or even the hard up out of work with family problems at home types, who tend to be less greedy, and haven't been hardened yet by madams to develop the "business" attitude that ruins the fun and GFE. In 2001, I fucked a 20 year old girl in Kharkov with the most beautiful angelic face and sparkling eyes. Her smile just floored me! Her tits were saggy with giant nipples from having a baby. I kept thinking I had seen her somewhere before, and then she told me that she had just quit working as a "hot doggie girl" selling weiners from a cart in the main square, because she couldn't even make $3 a day. I gladly gave her all the hot dog she could take!

I think, and maybe the rest of you other mongerers out there will agree, that the difference between the 28 to 35 Ukrainian girls and American women, is the slavic culture doesn't automatically "attitudinize" them, so they're more likely to keep their sweetness, as opposed to American girls who are 100% fucked up by the time they're 23. In the USA, even the escorts are cold hearted bitches by the time they're 20.

[Sour Honey]

Ahem...just for the record....

On the track of Uke and Vega, in these last days before the start... I checked some "non-pros" sites.....and in 5 days I got 3 appointment in Kreshatik from a 25, 27 and 28 girls. (On a total of 14 starting chances)

Don't know if them will be "paid" sessions (think not), but I think for sure that will be SESSIONS.....for what I caught from the words (one at the telephone, also!)

Is really incredible that a man in his 50s (and they have seen the pictures of me!), bald, a bit fat, ugly, with impenitent hemorrhoids..... can catch these stunning beauties in their 25....

If I would try here in Italy a thing like this, I will be killed.... at least I will create a lot of laughs.... Incredible. Seems that I will not have the free time for pros!!!!! (Dasha and a couple of rounds at Palace are fixed anyway....)

But I have just wanted to share this, that may be useful for other newbies..... TRY, no fear .... TRY!!

>Mangus... this will be my first time in Ukraine.... so I have not too much to share now.... at least a couple of condoms... :-)
Wait until 10th of January

[Bez Bezarra]

Kind of slack? Gee, that's too bad. Actually Armorer, I was more hoping to see something, even anything, from Seniors like Uke/Vega/RIC, but so far, they only share their ideas. Not that there's anything wrong with that, I'm just hoping for some inspiration, along the lines of the great Moscow pics of CaTraveler.

So here's my friend Zhenya, she's a friend of a friend that hooked me up in Zhytomyr, an hours drive west of Kiev. Before I took her picture, my face was where her hands are. I can only give her about a 7 or 7.5, she was a sweety, yeah I like blondine. She kept me tuned up, waiting for the big prize. A fine and excellent opportunity to provide sponsorship in my personal goal to help the Ukrainian economy.

[Armorer]

Mangus Man,
Sorry I have photos from my trips to Kiev. Just kinda slack on posting them.Well that and scanner gone too and just haven't felt like setting up the new one. Give me a few more days then I will post a couple of the Photos I have.That is if I can figure this out.

[Vegamars]

The overnight rate from 2a.m. till 9a.m. is $80 and the the time is fixed all throughout Northern Cyprus.The quality however is much higher than resttown or riverpalace.In short I highly recommend a trip over there.