Kyiv

[Oatis]

Hello everybody out there,

Can anybody tell me, where I can find a place for an erotic massage here in Kiev (Adress, next Metro, Price)?

The girls in the bars and pubs are very friendly (also the non pros). What is possible with the non pros, do they wanna just rip you off or they are really that friendly than they appear?

And which places I have to check out for some fun?

Thanx a lot in advance for your help.

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[Blake7]

Hey Armorer,

So are you saying that they are still operating the rooms downstairs or did you have to take her back to the hotel. And how much did she charge if you don't mind me asking?

[Vegamars]

Could it be possible that a girl you meet for the first time for a few hours(starsfromheaven.co.uk) invites you to disco at 3o'clock after midnight and visits you back in the morning? Or even calls you all of a sudden after 1 month and tells she's ready to go on vacation with you for a whole week,not even mentioning about money? Sounds like a dream or paradise.
It snows like hell here,but who cares?

[Armorer]

Well, I am in Kiev. I visited Rest Town. Was basicaly like it was last May when I was there. Although the girls are not so happy with the place. Met up with a tall tan Ukraine girl lenna. Was about a 7. A true pro. Although it was late I was tired and did not feel like much barter in me I agreed to price and away I went. Was not hasseled when I left Rest Town. Well I still have about 8 mor days to go and still manyplaces to go.
I thought you all would like an update on the Rest Town.

[Blake7]

Uke Boy, thanks for the top tips.

Am interested in the kind of place where you can turn up, choose a girl and get sorted there and then and be out in a couple of hours.

Any ideas

[Vegamars]

It sounds like a real language class now,where are we guys? In Rus 101 lecture?? You think all eyes are gonna turn on you if you speak perfect Russian? That will only make you ordinary and another member of the crowds out there!! I've never used even one word of Russian so far,though I can understand and speak a bit. Try to grasp a few words of Ukrainian if you aim to be interesting and different.Never forget the golden rule,being able to communicate with a girl in every way is always a disadvantage.
Moreover,trying to get a response in a foreign language will automatically raise the level of quality.
As for visas,it's really fun to enter Ukraine for the first time with a touristic visa,especially if you travel by car or try to hide some of the money you have!
Dnipro Hotel has always been guest friendly and it's at your hand to make any hotel guest friendly by acting in a strong and eager manner without any hesitaitons.

[Pacific Creek]

For all those who are looking to maybe learn some russian before you travel to this country, I would suggest trying your local university.

I wouldn't recommend taking a russian class unless you audit it because typically the instructor will demand more. However, the russian instructor at our local community college was more than willing to have me hook up with her brother in Kharkov for anything I wanted to know when I went.

If you are serious, try the local university and have them put a note on the bulletin board saying you are in need of a russian instructor/tutor. Chances are your local university/community college will have foreign exchange students and they will be looking to make some extra money. Not for sex though that may come up later but for teaching you the language.

You get first hand knowledge and instruction. They get some extra spending money. It's a win/win for everyone.

[Sour Honey]

OK.... my trip end report.
Back from 18 days in Ukraine, 10 in Kiev)
See my previous post for NIkolaiev and Zaporhozjie.

Kiev...... what to say?!?
Seems more a Western city than others, and have the defects of the Western (OK... just some)

I hit the top with the girls here:
10 total:
3 NON pros
3 SEMI pros
4 absolutely pros.

First the bad notes:
---Dasha (GiA escorts) .... sadly... a partial rip off. She do not speak a word of English (and this is never a problem to me) but mainly REFUSE to do any effort to understand and to be understood. Stunning girl, despite the age (32), sex a bit "cold". But mainly .....LAZY! she refused to come with me to the restaurant ( so I prepared an Italian dinner at home!). Summing up.... don't worth the expense.

- Svetlana, a semipro found at River Palace (in her 30s, a son of 11 yo). She speak a good English, nice body (slim one) but..... but..... she speak TOO MUCH!!!! During sex, she stops you many times to talk about the fuc...ing weather, music.... and so on!
If she did sex like she talked.... It will be a great choice. Sadly.... NOT!

- a non pro find on dating agencies, that tried only to pick all what she can from my wallet (I mean dinners and night clubs) but gave me only an hour of deep (anyway very good) french kissing. When I started to undress her.... she stopped my hands...... OK


Good ones

---Marina and Alesya from www.Kievescort.com (PRO)

Alesya is the kind of "Barbie girl". Really young (18, may be at least 20) and is really hot and good at ... work.

Marina is another kind (more romantic), but worth absolutely a try. Her BBBJ is one of the best I have tried in my life.

TO lazy people (Like I thought I was...) I recommend this agency. Serious and efficient, and really nice and good girls

-A couple of girls found on What's on Kiev. Good sex, good attitude, nice bodies (do not remember the names ....) (PRO)

---Irina (NON Pro) a nice (may be a bit overweighted to me, but I love the Auschwitz type.... :-) ) 23 yo blonde. Good English, good sex, relaxing.

---Ruslana (NON Pro) a nice 23 yo redhaired, good english, nice body, great sex. Just a sad note. She is the first UA girl that do NOT wash herself before sex. (It is not so a problem, I don't mean that she's dirty, but, guys, oral sex may be sometimes a bit "slowed down" from this thing.

--- Sveta, a semi-pro found in River Palace. 25 yo, nice body, great sex.

--Tatiana another semipro found in RP. 22 yo, exceptional body, less partecipative, but good sex anyway.

In total, a good week there.
Just some words of caution:

River Palace: very good environment. But if you become an addicted (I went there also after a date) you will discover also some more things.

Note for the lazy people: if you want to pick a pro or semi pro without "work", just sit in the two tables near the Night club bar.
In few time you will have 4 or 5 girls near you, asking to light a cigarette, or something else. Also for lazy guys: go there EARLY (I mean in the 11) and you will have the better choice.

To recognize a semipro or a pro at the first sight... is easy. They are the ONLY people not accompanied by the hostess at the table. They normally stay in the proximity of the bar, or in the first row of seats.

An hilarious note: I dated a girl (dating site) and have had a nice night together. But two days before, in River Palace, I was trying with a girl there, I turn my face and .... wham! here there! Not to mention the fact that I lost the new one.... :-) but I have had hard time also with the old.

So, guys, don't think that Kiev is a big city.... You can meet a girl many times and in different ways in these places!

Another (seems stupid.... NOT!) thing: NEVER forget the names of the girls! And possibly.... be greedy in sharing your phone number.....
I have had bad times with one that called me (while I was with another!) and she, feeling me a bit ... uh... embarrassed... asked me "What's my name?" 2 or 3 times. In that moment I have had completely forgot the names, and Boshe moi... I sweat a lot for some minutes...:-)

Last thing: have ALWAYS comdoms with you. Seems that some girls are sure that you'll come in Kiev with a bag full of them, so they come with you in the apartment and THEN ask you "Have you a condom?" T.G. I had.... otherwise don't know what to do.....

But they were really good days there. I highly recommend you to visit Kiev.

Ciao for now

[Armorer]

Well with any luck, I should be in Kiev on Tuesday. I am not sure I will attempt Rest Town. I few things I had lined up have recently fell through. Such is life.
Is anyone currently in town. I will be there till the 23. Would be interested in a drink and a little hunting.
I hope to have as much fun as in the past.

Revollaro,
Please let me say when I first went to Kiev I had no language skills. I was still nice and polite, and had almost any I could want.
My skills have improved some but not the best. I still have fun though.

[Uke Boy]

Revollaro

1st question, Visas: As I stated in an earlier message, if you come in for one hour or one year, you MUST have a visa. Get visa or the money spent will be lost completely lost since you will be turned back at the airport.

Go to http://www.ukremb.com/consular/visas.html which is the Ukrainian Embassy in the USA visa site. Spend some time there, the application is in PDF format and good luck. Don't let anyone on this board tell you otherwise than what is listed on that site.

2nd question, Timing: February, March and April are lousy. May through September are the best times. The ladies come out from under their fur coats and hats, and hit the ground running, so to speak. They then are out of doors displaying all their glory, some more so than others.

3rd question, Language: A few words and sincere attempts is better than none. That said, even without a few words, the ladies have no insincerity to them. Come any time you want, winter or summer. The ladies don't change, what they wear and how much they publicly show does. Otherwise, it is all the same.

Good luck.

Blake7,

Head for River Palace. You have the amateurs, semi-pros and pros all there. Otherwise, any bar or disco.

You can also try any of the strip clubs away from the hotels. They also have "private room" services but you can also take the girls away to your hotel or apartment from there as well. Rest Town is not the sole resource.

[Snowy]

Revollaro

Regarding the language issue, I really wouldn't worry about it too much.

Whichever country you visit in the world, things will be easier the more you can converse in that country's language. I would actually argue though that the two hardest places to go in the world without any knowledge of the local tongue are actually America and the UK. In a huge number of other countries you will find that even with a minimal tourist infrastructure you will meet enough people who speak English to make your trip reasonably easy even if you don't speak much or any of the local tongue. This is part of the problem though and why so many people in the USA/UK don't really bother learning another language.

Kiev isn't particularly well set up for tourists yet, but you'll find more than enough people who speak sufficient English, especially many of the girls you might be interested in meeting (it seemed to me that far more girls knew some English than the men). As I recall, at places like River Palace (where nearly all the ladies will speak some English) and Moda Bar (not as many, but quite a large % of the ladies speak English) you won't have any problems. These places aside, at several of the other bars I went to I met at least a few girls who spoke varying degrees of English. As far as meeting girls whilst just wandering around, it's pot luck - some will, some won't; just be persistent and keep trying your luck.

This said, the more Russian you can pick up the more options you'll have and the easier your trip will be. With limited time, I would personally focus on the basics rather than diving straight into chat up lines - even if you can learn just enough to be confident to go into any bar/restaurant to order drinks/food and to confidently ask where you want to go in a taxi and negotiate a price, this will make life a lot simpler and open up the number of places you'll feel confident visiting. With limited time I would also really reccomend becoming familiar with the alphabet, so you can read street signs.

Go with an adventurous attitude, a phrase book, a confident outlook and you'll have a riot.

[Blake7]

Also can anyone advise as to whether the Dnipro Hotel is hooker friendly i.e can I bring girls back to the room at night with no hassles?

[Blake7]

The changes in rest town are certainly a tragic turn of events. Can anyone recommend a good alternative brothel or salon in Kiev? I will be there at the end of January.

[Revollaro]

I've been lurking around for a while, thinking about making a trip to the Ukraine, and I would like to ask a few questions.

Originally, I had considered visting last Fall, but was prevented by work, so I figured my trip would be delayed until sometime in the upcoming Spring/Summer months. As luck would have it, I find myself laid off w/ severence, and with plenty of time to visit.

1st question, Visas: I had heard somewhere, mabe here, that a visit from a U.S. or EU citizen of 8 days or less did not require a visa. Can anyone confirm this, or if I want to stay, say 9 -14 days, how long can I expect a visa to take, provided I'm close enough to deliver the application, and accept the approved visa personally.

2nd question, timing: I realize that Febuary isn't the ideal time to visit, and I'm sure that if I did, I might miss out on many things the country can offer due to weather. Under my circumstances, I can accept this, but my real question, for those of you who know is, will I, because of the season/weather, be missing out on the attractions that this board was created to discuss?

3rd question, language: I've read the posts regarding language, but I would be travelling alone. Once I make the decision to go, I will study Russian, but as an american I have almost no exposure to other languages, and am therefore a poor linguist, so my short study time couldn't be to helpful, especially since pronunciation takes longer to learn (for me). I will respectfully make attempts at Russian, but given that my visit will not be the tourist season, would this make my visit less welcome?

Lastly, I want to thank the board for all the useful information provided. If I make this trip, I will share my experience here. If I don't, I will share my experience when (not if) I make it.

[Armorer]

This is very bad news. I was in Rest Town this past May when I was in Kiev. I was hopeing that would have been my first stop after I arrived Tuesday afternoon. Has anyone else news of this.