Kyiv

[Blake7]

So, just to clear up any confusion regarding Rest Town. We went there twice last weekend. The first time was Friday night after a few drinks at "Freedom" - great club by the way with a superb "strip zone" upstairs. You can sit and drink beer and watch the show. Don't bother with a private dance - no matter how hot she is $100 for 15 minutes with no touching is seriously overpriced! Anyway we rolled up to Rest Town at about 3am and all seemed the same as last year. A few of the girls I recognised were still there and the deal seems to be the same with only one difference. The have been making renovations downstairs and changing all the little bedrooms into fancy sauna complexes. The upshot is there are less rooms and, get this, I was told that I would have to wait 3 hours before I could take my chosen beauty downstairs. In the end I couldn't be bothered to wait so we left.

We went the next evening at 9pm in an attempt to beat the rush. No problems this time and me and my chum took a couple down to the sauna for $50 each. The place was huge with two bedrooms, sauna, pool, karaoke and stuffed antelope heads on the wall - the girls think it is supercool. Bit of a waste as we went straight to the bedrooms and then left after the hour was up. Both girls were trying to pressure us to take an extra hour. We had to pay an extra $40 between us on top of the $50 for the use of the room. The girls were fun and happy and we had no problems with the police.

Still a great place!

[Bez Bezarra]

VM,

Although that guy told me that ALL Ukraine women take money, I NEVER said I believed him, nor did I see proof of that in my 9 journeys there. On most of my trips, I've spent almost half my time pursuing normal girls with regualr jobs or university types, and though I didn't offer them money, I had many chances to. In some cases, now that I look back, I wish I had, but at the time, I wasn't comfortable because I didn't want to possibly offend them, and I didn't want to come off as being only interested in sex. In retrospect, its likely I missed an opportunity here and there, and I certainly would have been better able to prove or dis-prove this myth, so in that respect, I lost out on being able to add anything significant to this discussion. I'm sorry, I really should have done better.

But as for American women, I must disagree with you. Over the last 10 years, IMHO I see a drastic change here in the SoFla area. Local new amatuers (18-24 y.o.) here seem to have vanished. Since around 1995, the half dozen girlfriends I have who used to easliy be able to arrange introductions of new talent they'd met out and around on the party circuits are all telling me that no one here wants money anymore. Everyone they meet now has all the money they want from either their boyfriends or their family. That seems to be the biggest difference from the past.

It was fairly common in the past to meet women whose boyfriends and families wouldn't give them any support. Now its doesn't seem to matter what I offer, the standard response here now is, I don't do that or I don't need money. I'm sure other areas are different, and sure, there always are 30 year old crack monster SW's out there if that's your taste. Also strictly-business very cold $250+ per hour 25 to 40 year-old professional escorts are available, but they offer 0%GFE, so there's basically no pleasure in that. Their list of "Don't do that /Can't touch that" is 5 times longer than their list of what they will do. It was this major shift, plus discovering the WSG, that got me started travelling. DR, CR, Brazil, and Bali opened my eyes, but then Ukraine opened my heart. Its the best place in the world. Even if only half are willing, 5 million ladies is more than enough for me!

[Vegamars]

Let's start all over from the beginning.
If you wanna be permanent in Ukraine first make a reason for it-business of course,but not in the ordinary sense and rather right through the end in every aspect.Ukrainians are just sick of working in the country and with Russia(they consider Russians as sluggish businesswise-not my opinion),so surprisingly enough you can find numerous ways of accomplishing transactions and deals.For instance I've already made my way on three different fields by using a little bit of creativity,of which two are completely new for me.

[Duke Pro Sex]

Hello,

I visit Kiev oftenly for business, and allways rent an appartament near Maidan. I have many times contacted with GIA and the service has been allways perfect (Ksiushsa is wonderful, and before there was a other girl named Tanya but she left GIA).

This month I couldnt contect them and I phoned to an anopuncement that appeared in Kviv Post, it is like a pink heart (491-6220), they offeerd me girls from 17 to 25, I asked for the 25 one, and the one that arrived after one hour told me she is 19, 100$ for 2 hours, very bad service, blowjob with condom (she refused without), when I told her that she was not good at all in bed,, she told me that this was her 3rd service this day and was very tyred. So finally we ended with nice talking as I saw that would be impossible to enjoy sex. My advice is dont call to this service.

For my next trips I would like to meet a nice woman about 35-40, not just for sex (also for good sex of course), so, can anyone recomend me, how to find this kind of lady in kiev?

[Sour Honey]

Wholeheartedly agree with Vegamars.
A month ago I had thought the Vega don't want to share the tips with us.
Now, after 18 days in UA, I understand completely his point of view.
A detailed tip makes two things:

1) is NOT applicable to you. You can go completely wrong with it. Or exceptionally good with the opposite...

2) steal the "flavour" of initiative that makes a normal night an exceptional night.

[Vegamars]

Maybe the detail's in the devil itself??
The more I give details the less likely you'll grab any kind of success or joy.You'll just try to go exactly the same way and fail at the end.
What makes Kiev so special is there are enough unique ways for every adventurer,if you really wanna feel special.

[Sour Honey]

Her555
Originally posted by Vegamars:
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Don't forget the golden rule of Kiev-no matter how many girls you're entitled to meet, the first one you encounter takes precedence even though you might see her for the first time in your life.
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Nothing difficult to understand.
But also I sometimes failed in this rule... But this only confirmed me that's really a golden rule!
No matter if it seems a bit rough, but pick the first girl you grab, no matter if you are expecting a new and younger Cameron Diaz that want to have sex with you. No matter! pick the first and, if ...Cameron still want to stay with you... OK but at your time.
Otherwise you risk to lose a good chance for a girl that will never appear .......sad but real.

[Bez Bezarra]

Hey Jak,

You have every right to be here, in search of usable knowledge, but no one should ask Veg to morph from cultural philosopher-elitist into the people's monger. Remember, the devil's in the details! So be careful what you wish for :-)

For example, I so wanted to yell at 555 and call him worthless and weak, until I read Sour's wake-up call, which helped me to calm down after I stopped LOL.

555, in April, for all our sakes, un-plug your laptop and please get a flat and a Kiev Post. After your mind-numbing success, if you so choose to return and accept your mission, you are now officially required by the French Foreign Mongering Legion to sponsor, (fuck), a MINIMUM of 3 Natashas per day while in country. To be reasonable, you will be allowed an occasional rest, meaning 2 Nataly's per day, but only should you run out of cash or come, which ever comes first, of course. But you better have a good excuse for slacking, like falling asleep during your 6 hour wait for Odessa, (?).
Where did Vag get Odessa anyway?

Don't feel bad though, the very first girl was super, like you said ! Just don't let the philosophers fool you that it was the girl, it really wasn't her. It was you Frenchie! After all the eye-candy overdosing, the first pre-heated concubine-wench who grabs your wallet with one hand and your zipper with the other will make your head spin. Its really true, I'm sure many others can attest.

Once upon one of my arrivals, after barely 2 steps into the flat, a dyev had her tongue completely down my throat, and not even 30 seconds later, she had my johnson down her throat. That's just her being in-heat combined with your testosterone overload, where you slam-fuck her against the coat rack standing up in the vestibule with your shoes still on. Like I said, happens to us all, right mongers?

Actually, and as always, Veggie is correct. You should call an Uzbeki girl, its a direct flight from Tashkent, and they are so hot. My only one of those was a super horny slope eyed blond with very smooth dark skin. We took a long hot bath but somehow still got very dirty.

Bon Chance

[Wanderer1000]

Hi Vegamars,

I know I haven't earned the right to post on the Ukraine section as I haven't made a trip to this country yet. I think you have a lot to add from your experiences in the Ukraine, but many posters would probably find your information more helpful if it wasn't put forth in a Zen master sort of way. Maybe a little more elaboration on details and concepts? Thanks.

[Vegamars]

It's not a rule to explain or understand,you must feel it inside and live through??

[Her555]

Thenks for all, for your rspoand

Originally posted by Vegamars:
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Don't forget the golden rule of Kiev-no matter how many girls you're entitled to meet, the first one you encounter takes precedence even though you might see her for the first time in your life.
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Can you explin thet golden rule, for me?

Thanks in advance.

Her555

[Vegamars]

Before you come back from the US,never ever forget the following:

Send your business(??!) group to Nevada or Alaska for free so that it can find some new petroleum reserves out there!!
Don't think you need two or three hotels to meet a girl,Dnipro Hotel is the best option in town for taking girls and besides you can even do without a hotel or apartment of yours.
Don't you ever call a girl from Odessa,it'll take at least 5-6 hrs for her to show up.
Don't forget the golden rule of Kiev-no matter how many girls you're entitled to meet,the first one you encounter takes precedence even though you might see her for the first time in your life.

[Sour Honey]

HER555, don't take me wrong, but if I have to have sex like you in Kiev I will ask to become a MONK!!!!

SHIT! were you in a group of nuns?!? Fuck the group, DNIPRO is a good hotel!. Close in your room and call an escort agency! Girl will be delivered directly to your room!

How many hotels have you visited? How many you have paid?
At least, pick a girl and go to a sauna, but a life (in Kiev) like yours was terrible!

Go to River Palace, pick a girl and go back to your DNIPRO! Is your group stationing permanently in Tthe hall or in front of your room? Please, wake-up!

If one of your colleagues see you .... who cares? you are not with another man or a transexual! You're a man, she is a girl, and you'll FUCK!!! Like all other men in Kiev, Paris, Rome and Timbuktu.....

Sorry for the words, but I didn't wantto offend you.... just give you a ....wake-up call ....:-)

Better luck for the next trip!

[Her555]

Hi all, and thanks for everyone for your tips.

Special thanks for Uke Boy. It seems you have very good experience, and know to give excellent advice. And thank's for Snowy and Vegamars for your info. Also thnks, for Mangus Man, I see you have a lot of knowledge fron the girls in Ukraine, thanks.

Maybe it will help, so I will report from my trip to Kive, Hope some of you readers may benefit from my report.

I lived in France all my life, I am new in the USA, But I traveled once to Kive for business, I was in Kive Oct 03 for about 1 week.

I went to Kive with a group, we were in the DNIPRO HOTEL, and because I am in a business group, plus I do not speaking Ukraine, my choices are limited. I can not walk up and down those streets, start talking to a girl and ask for a good time, ect. The best for me is to see ladies outcall to my hotel, so I try to call an escort agency, I most tell you it was a very hard time for me.

On the second day around 2:00 pm in the afternoon, I get out from DNIPRO HOTEL. I told my group I am going to spend the day and the night for shopping on the street alone, and I will be back in middle of the night.

I went out from my HOTEL and from my group, I ask a taxi-cab to take me to the PRESIDENT HOTEL. A room cost 80$ USD. Called an agency, I forget the name right now, (I find the agency on the net, the web is now closed). I have the number in my book, the phone number is:44.264.4804. A lady answered the phone and told me she will come over to me in my room, in the next hour, to discuss with me. I was waiting two hours. She came over and brought for me three books with photos from all kind of beautiful girls. I chose a girl, she ask me "and if the girl will not be available?". I chose another girl and another girl, I told her "You get the idea the kind of girl I like?". She told me "ok". She told me the price of the girl is 50 $ for an hour, and I agree.

Then she aske me to pay her 35$ for the servercies, to come to see me and to bring me the photos, and also taxi fee. I paid her 40$, she told me, the girl will be in my hotel room in the next hour.

I was waiting for two or three hours, she never show up. I call the woman, she told me she can not find a girl this night! I ask her, and I told her "I paid you $40 for nothing?" She took down my phone number. She call me back and send me a beautiful, blond, slim, tall, tan and really nice, girl, but she ask for 1 hour $200. I do not want to pay her, and she left the room, I call the agency again and again, but after a while she told to me "I do not have no more girl's".

She also told me, that the girls do not want to come in the PRESIDENT HOTEL, if I want, I can come to their room "incoal", but I do not want to go out from the PRESIDENT HOTEL, I do not want my group should see me on the street, plus I am afraid to met the girl not in my room, so I can not have a girl from the agency. And because I pay her 40 $, I feel she riped me off.

I try to call next agency cold "Exotic Ukrainian Escort Agency". The phone number is 380.48.221.8950, and 380.48.743.7805, but nobody anser the phone, I tried alot of times, don't seem to have the luck. I was really lost!

BTW in middle my anger, I went down in the loby from the hotel, and in the bar from the hotel, find nuthing. (PRESIDENT hotel is not in the middle of a big street, it is, I think, like in a corner from the city).

I search on the web "prosex", call up a girl name Lenna. Ask her if she can come over, she told me "yes, in the next 15 min". But she is afraid to come in the hotel lobby, so I should go down in the loby and wait for her.

But near the exit door, I find a very nice tall girl, with a nice looking & very skinny, she ran in to me and started talking to me "For $50 I can have sex with you?" But because I call already called Lenna, I told for this nice lady "NO."

After a while, I saw Alana. Young, brown skin, blace hair, for 50 $ FS. Very good and she knows her job quite well! Doing everything without asking for more money, she was really cute, and she started working on me quickly! The absolute best sex of I've ever had!

When we were done, I went back to my group, I make business for 3 days.

By the end, I have 1 day off, I took a texi going to a hotel in Kive, the "BRATISLAVA HOTEL". I paid 59$ from the room. I get in the hotel, near the elevator, I find a man who speaks English, I ask to him if he can help me to get a girl. He told me for 50 $ yes! I will bring you a nice girl, but he told me not to come back in the lobby, the girl will come to my room. I go up in my room, I was waiting 2 hour, finally a man knocked on the door. He came in with two girl, 1) A girl in her 40s. tall, blace hair. 2) A blond with long hair, tall, yoing, in her 20s. I ask for number 2. She was over all good. But not very good. And not good like Lenna from the PRESIDENT HOTEL, she refused to french kiss at all, do not let me fuck her twice, only once. I ask her I like your pussy and ass, see not let me kiss it, but I offered her $50 more and she agree to let em kiss her pussy, but still not do it twice. I was with her like two hours, then the man knocked on the door, and picked up the girl.

I went back to the DNIPRO HOTEL, and came back home in the USA.

Bottem line: Because I did not go to KIVE alone, only with my group, plus my English is not good, so I most to go with an escort agency. I do not have luck till now with an agency.

I will be back in KIVE for business in april 04, I hope I will have better luck.
can any one give me som advice, tips, info. ???

Question: It is not ther tapes or CD to learn how to speak the language? I have tape's from "pimsleur speak & read", but I learned the language is very hard.

Last Question: Can I bring in a girl in the BORISPOL HOTEL in a room, with no hassles? Is the hotel a good place? The price is very good, 40 USD a night. Also, the girls from the city from Kiev will want to come to the the BORISPOL HOTEL. I was there once, in middle of the night, went go down to the lobby, find nothing. Went to the bar, and to the restaurant next door, but find nothing.

Thanks agin, and all the best.

her555

EDITOR's NOTE: This report was edited to meet the Forum's Posting Guidelines.

[Armorer]

Well I Just returned from Kiev. Was a might bit cold my last day there. Was a balmy -8 wonderful. I had a nice time of it.

Blake7:
Yes there was the opertunity to take her down stairs but I had just gotten into town and was more interested in appartment style fun. So I took her back. We talked a bit in between and got a little info on it. Still $50 for sauna with girl. So it was basically what I was quoted back in May last year.


While there I made a few stops at River Palace. Was not a bad time. Picked up a couple nice women for some fun. Will post a pic later. I am kinda tired just getting home and all.

Also checked out this new place that opened up. Used to be a place Called "Cowboy Club" Now it's called " MOJO" it basically a smallish resturaunt with light strip show in the evenings. Later that is. Not bad at times I only got to visit there 2 times. Did meet this 8 name of Vita. Boy was she nice. Blonde bout 5'5" well any how. I am off for now check back in later.