Kyiv

[Glasnost1]

Yeah, I think 69 may be referring to the Russian version of Gia. USD 150 turns into UAH2500 if you click on Ru on the upper left of the site.

Sorbonne the prices are between 300 and maximum 600 grivna (between 12 and 25 euro, not more! On ukrgo.com my local friends always pay around 400 for a beauty, if you don t know the language you pay tourist price, let somebody call for you, don t mention you are a foreigner. Kiev is certainly a buyer s market, some pictures on ukrgo are fake but you can guess, some even more beautiful in real. Other websites intimgirls.net and minuet. Biz, mamba is also OK, if you know a local friend, I don t understand why people pay around 2000 and 6000 grivna, crazy 2 month salary!! Many times I paid mostly 300, message me for numbers girls. At the moment I am in Kiev.

[Sorbonne]

Not that I 've used them or would use them, But where are you finding those (UAH) start at 2500 prices for GIA?

http://gia-escort.com/escorts

Plenty of girls at US $300 an hour =UAH 6000 . Discounted girls are at $150 = UAH3150.

And Elena US $300 an hour? I am sure I've seen girls at US $400 an hour when I first clicked on their site earlier today.

Yeah, I think 69 may be referring to the Russian version of Gia. USD 150 turns into UAH2500 if you click on Ru on the upper left of the site.

[Jojosun]

The best place for cake is the new and stylish "Honey" in Podi. Sometimes it's really hard to get a free place.

http://kievfood.com.ua/honey/

LOL. I am not into cakes, Only Waffles and I am full of them.

" Alternate spellings to Waffles throughout contemporary and medieval Europe include waffe, wafre, wafer, wâfel, waufre, iauffe, gaufre, goffre, gauffre, wafe, waffel, wåfe, wāfel, wafe, vaffel, and våffla".

No one called them Cakes.

[Jojosun]

Let us add a little perspective here. High class agency escorts (I am thinking GIA) start at about 2500 UAH. Yes, you can find some that charge 250 USD, but you will not get anything much better, and furthermore, why would you pay so much? Just stay home!

GIA prices have not changed that much in over 10 years. Actually, the prices had gone up for several years. For a while, the starting price was 3500 UAH, but once the UAH started falling, so did their prices. You do not have to trust me. You can check their old prices on their web site on the using the "way back machine"..

Not that I 've used them or would use them, But where are you finding those (UAH) start at 2500 prices for GIA?

http://gia-escort.com/escorts

Plenty of girls at US $300 an hour =UAH 6000 . Discounted girls are at $150 = UAH3150.

And Elena US $300 an hour? I am sure I've seen girls at US $400 an hour when I first clicked on their site earlier today.

[Misterxxx]

Some excellent places in Kiev for fans of Waffles. Very tasty and reasonable prices.

http://www.tripadvisor.co.uk/Restaur...9910-Kiev.html

Best Kiev Waffles & Crepes.

Also this branch http://www.gofre.eu/en/..

" The other real treat are waffles--waffles from shops or street vendors, made on the spot with your choice of filling. We had a few of these, one of which was crunchy and lemon-flavored (and chocolate-coated), and some of the Belgian variety with sticks of chocolate buried inside, then they re-toasted the waffle to melt the insides. Worth every calorie, I promise."

The best place for cake is the new and stylish "Honey" in Podi. Sometimes it's really hard to get a free place.

http://kievfood.com.ua/honey/

[Jojosun]

http://www.internationalsexguide.inf...eply&p=1773836

" An excellent blow out at Mocco in Kreschatic Passage; Russian salad, Chateaubriand steak with asparagus, mille feuille pastry, herbal tea, 2 coffees and a coffee liqueur. A meal like that in the UK probably 80-here 35".
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Some excellent places in Kiev for fans of Waffles. Very tasty and reasonable prices.

http://www.tripadvisor.co.uk/Restaur...9910-Kiev.html

Best Kiev Waffles & Crepes.

Also this branch http://www.gofre.eu/en/..

" The other real treat are waffles--waffles from shops or street vendors, made on the spot with your choice of filling. We had a few of these, one of which was crunchy and lemon-flavored (and chocolate-coated), and some of the Belgian variety with sticks of chocolate buried inside, then they re-toasted the waffle to melt the insides. Worth every calorie, I promise."

[Armorer]

I have been in and out of Kiev since 2001. And seen many changes last time I was here everything was so costly. I have been reading up on the place and see all the changes. I remember rest town and river palace. Was nice place to go in a pinch. I used to go to the cowboy club always had luck there. They're all gone now. I got in last night and meet with friends. Now I have only a few days to find the new places.

If anyone wants to meet up first round is on me. Just inbox me.

[Horny Monger]

So, keeping the prices low also ensures that the girl at least likes you a little and just need a little monetary incentive. We all (maybe not all, but enough of us) had experiences where we paid for one hour and the girl stayed 2, or overnight. Once a girl gave me a fourth one for free (4 for the price of 3). She refused to take money, but I will put 500 UAH in her purse. After 3 times, another one told me that she could do it for free, but only if I did not see other girls while I was there. I figured that after 3 times, even at 800-1000 per shot, they had plenty of the rest of the month.

Were the two girls above you started out paying 800 or 1000 or lower? Which years did you meet them? Thanks.

[ShklarSky]

This is my very first post and it is a question that may turn into a report if all goes well in the immediate future.

There is a strong possibility that I will be staying in Kiev over the first few months of 2016. I would like to contact and sponsor some local talent while there. I am fluent in Russian and understand (more or less) the local culture. I left as a teen.

I would not want to spend more than 600-1000 usd monthly in sponsorship expenditures.

Does anyone have a recommendation of where or how I might find girls similar to those one might find through Seeking Arrangements in Us while steering clear of pros and agencies?

I will also be staying in Petrograd (but for a shorter period). So the same question applies to this area.

Hoping to benefit from the collective wisdom of this forum.

[NightOwl69]

For me Mamba is getting worse and no real girls (most agencies) or fake or simple no answers. What about Topface? Please let me know your positive and negative experiences. Thanks in advance.

Topface is has one reason for its purpose is to take your money, I singed up for few days and then deleted my account. Here is how it works.

Its very smilier to tinder in the main concept, you click like or skip on photos, mind you not profile put photos of the same girl. And girls do the same. You could send messages if you are paying member. You have no idea if the photos are real or not. You can't read messages unless you pay and even then you still have to pay more for some messages or likes. I had my account for five days and I got zero out of it ended up deleting it with some coins still there. Oh coins is what you get when you pay them something like 300 coins for 30 $ or so. You use this coins to give gifts to girls, (which are generally ignored), or to open certain messages or likes. I think Girls in FSU like topface because of the like system they think all of those people really like them. If you have money to waste join topface otherwise stay clear.

Cheers.

[Poker Player 2]

I certainly do not disagree with your assessment of Mamba but I found TopFace so annoying and useless that I deleted my profile. I hope your experience is different.

For me Mamba is getting worse and no real girls (most agencies) or fake or simple no answers. What about Topface? Please let me know your positive and negative experiences. Thanks in advance.

[Sponsor74]

Sorry! I thought I had answered everyone. Just sent it. Has anyone used topface to meet girls? One of the Kiev girls I know recommends it.

For me Mamba is getting worse and no real girls (most agencies) or fake or simple no answers. What about Topface? Please let me know your positive and negative experiences. Thanks in advance.

[Jojosun]

Was going down memory lane tonight checking rates and came up with my post here on 19, Nov 2009.

Today its US $ =22 UAH and =65 . And with Wizzair still flying from London, my 2 rooms arrangement (no 5 stars) in Kiev for my next trip is still very affordable.

Who wants to do thrift at such rates.

Apologies. I must've been seeing doubles at the time.

On 31 August, 2015 it was US $ =22 UAH and £ =33 UAH Not. ¬ 65 UAH.

http://www.exchangerates.org.uk/GBP-...e-history.html

Below is a table showing the average rate for British Pound (GBP) to Ukraine Hryvnia (UAH) on 31 August 2015 (31/08/2015).

British Pound Ukraine Hryvnia Date.

1 GBP = 33.6985 UAH.

LOL I am surprised none of the Poker Players with their Sharp Probing Eyes caught me posting such an inflated rate.

I do take my main hobby very seriously and like to read evidenced posts with facts, figures and Benchmarks to compare prices between Kiev & other western cities and not just for sex as one needs to factor other costs.

A Benchmark is not the western price you pay in Kiev for P4P, food & drink, etc, but for comparison purposes only. Had to say that just in case newbies, or others think that's the price to pay in Kiev. Had that kind of discussion, banter before on this thread and others. .

Read Limarian's report abut how much he paid for his dinner in Kiev and How much it would've cost in the UK in ££.

http://www.internationalsexguide.inf...eply&p=1773836

" An excellent blow out at Mocco in Kreschatic Passage; Russian salad, Chateaubriand steak with asparagus, mille feuille pastry, herbal tea, 2 coffees and a coffee liqueur. A meal like that in the UK probably 80-here 35".

But we all know prices for girls are not in stone.

[TigerWoo]

Don't you love it when people talk about the good old days and how everything " used to be better " I can imagine Kiev being so much better 15 years ago, And of Course Kiev and other cities and towns in EE countries used to be so much cheaper before the Berlin wall came down, black market for $$ girls were naive. Few western mongers mainly Germans in Prague. You and I were Younger 15 years ago.

Started going to Kiev in Sept 2009 when the UAH was failing to around 8 to the US $ , Visas no longer required, Cheap flights from Europe, so I was happy to go there even if I wasn't lucky in mongering. Kiev sounded then a good attractive destination for me to try.

Ten years ago,2005 the UAH to the $ was as high as 4 or even higher, Visas a pain in the Ass, flights costs, etc. .

Kiev when I started going there had River Palace all under one roof, But if you read previous postes on here there was no shortage of posters who disliked the club. . And when it got towed away everyone was bemoaning The Great Loss.

The late Jimi Hendrix summed it up " I wish they had Electric Guitars in Cotton fields in The Good Old Days. A whole lot of things would've been straightened out "..

I have been coming in and out of Kiev since 1999. And yes the Hendrix quote is spot on, but I still miss the RP and so do many others I know. Prices did go up to 300 USD for LT during 2010 - 1014, but now 200 USD can be done by some negotiation many places. Many bars have girls Pro or Semi-Pros sitting looking for men, and especially if you guests bars around midnight you will feel who they are. All the bars have already been mentioned in this Forum. Mamba is still also a good place if you only want to pay 100 USD, but there is a (big) risk that she will not look exactly like the picture.

[Stevie69]

Let us add a little perspective here. High class agency escorts (I am thinking GIA) start at about 2500 UAH. Yes, you can find some that charge 250 USD, but you will not get anything much better, and furthermore, why would you pay so much? Just stay home!

GIA prices have not changed that much in over 10 years. Actually, the prices had gone up for several years. For a while, the starting price was 3500 UAH, but once the UAH started falling, so did their prices. You do not have to trust me. You can check their old prices on their web site on the using the "way back machine".

So much for the inflation discussion. When prices for food and gasoline go up, life gets harder, more women go into the sex trade but men have less money, so sex gets cheaper!

But I risk going off on a tangent.

About half of the 2500 UAH goes to the house! I used GIA several times, particularly during one early trips when I was still a relative novice. The agency forbids clients to even ask for the girls' numbers, and the girls are fired if they give them out. However, if the the girls "liked me " and we had a good time (nearly in all cases), they left their phones at the night table for me, UNLOCKED, while they went to shower. I did not realize it the first time, but the second time it happened, I caught on. I took the phone, called myself, and got their numbers. I called and was able to arrange meetings at a significant discount. I suppose it give the girls "plausible deniability". Eventually, one girl told me that, indeed, the agency takes 50%.

The girls get the good marketing and added safety from working for the site, but if they think you are safe, they will gladly cut them out of the deal. Finally, once they develop their own client list of semi-regulars, they will go independent. Personal referrals become the best source of new clients. I met a girl 2 years later, when she was no longer listed on their site.

Anyway, if high class escorts make 1500 UAH, semi-pros, whether they are single mums, secretaries, students, or waitresses, ought to be quite happy with 500 to 1000 uah.

Okay, so they will not agree to 500, only because you are a foreigner, but most reasonable girls will eventually agree to 800 to 1000.

The only ones that will not are the ones that are waiting for that idiot foreigner who will pay 300 Euros (more than 1 month's salary!) for one hour of work.

If you are a morbidly obese, horribly ugly freak of nature and have absolutely not game or charm, by all means, pay 2000,3000 or even 5000. For that much, back home you get the lowest crack addict; in Kiev, you will be able to get a sweet 20 year old student, or any other girls. They will close their eyes and earn their money for a month in under one hour.

So, keeping the prices low also ensures that the girl at least likes you a little and just need a little monetary incentive. We all (maybe not all, but enough of us) had experiences where we paid for one hour and the girl stayed 2, or overnight. Once a girl gave me a fourth one for free (4 for the price of 3). She refused to take money, but I will put 500 UAH in her purse. After 3 times, another one told me that she could do it for free, but only if I did not see other girls while I was there. I figured that after 3 times, even at 800-1000 per shot, they had plenty of the rest of the month, so were thinking more long term and perhaps trying to get to know me. Yes, in both cases the sex was amazing, which is a good foundation for any relationship.

Some of you guys, read like you are not businessmen. Good things can be found in Kiev, you just have to negotiate. Understand what she wants. No! What she needs. She needs money.

Don't fall for the first offer. Read up that the average monthly income in Kiev is less than 200 $usd. There is no reason to pay her a whole month salary for a couple of hours of work.