Kyiv

[Armorer]

NeilSydney,
Nice report. about 111, I was told that on my first time there, well my friend who was Ukrainian, when he turned and told me in English what they told him they looked at me and opened the door and off we went right on in. Think being an American was all the VIP I needed there.

[NeilSydney]

Back from Kiev, and had such a wonderful time that i am already planning for return.

Here are just a few miscellaneous things I experienced.

If you use GiaEscort, they are no longer the 'cheap' option. The prices now are $100 for 2 hours and $70 for 1 hour. Of course, if you speak Russian well enough to pass as a local, this is significantly cheaper. In fact, ridiculously cheaper. Also, the phone numbers they post on their website lead to operators that do not speak English. They will either hang up on you or direct you to another number, which I never got to work. I only managed to contact when I emailed them and they supplied me yet another number, this time successful. I picked Vladislava (do not go for her; I am not sure they even sent me the right girl!). I also went with Larisa. She is quite good; gives a mean BBBJ and did not complain when I slipped it in her ass. But she does watch the clock somewhat.

A comment about Cocktail Bar 111. This is a great place to go on the right nights. I didn't have any problems getting in, but someone I met said they were told they needed a VIP card and this could only be acquired through recommendation. Anyone know about this?

River Palace. I disliked this place and found the girls snobbish and far too professional, more so than Nightflight in Moscow. I left without taking anyone. (Couldn't get a root in a brothel? )The taxi drivers outside there are rip-off merchants. I'm sure most people know this, but I think its useful for other beginners to know this. The 'official' taxi driver will quote you something ridiculous like 35 hryvna to get to the city. Say no, and there will always be some guy in an albeit rundown car, who is happy to take you for 10 hryna or so.

My experiences also taught me that its quite important to learn the cyrillic alphabet just to make life easier, especially on the metro. And I think it helps to speak Russian. I will spend my next few months learning some Russian because although English is trendy here, I found it trying at times to talk to the girls who had very minimal English.

Hope some of that is helping to people around.

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Reporting live from Kiev, a little bleary eyed...
Each night the packages have been getting tighter here, wow.
Well, first day I hooked up with an independent internet gal, Ludmilla I think... Her pics fairly well represent her nipples which are fairly large with B breasts, so her body was a 8.0 and her face maybe a 6, normali, a bit taller than I like 'em but wow she must be in the Hoover family tree, good to the last drop. Price for 3 hours $100. OK, could have been less but I just landed and I wanted to blow off some, well, rather, I wanted an appetizer.
I tried calling Prince who is also here but due to the idiocy of the manager of this apartment (one of those recently mentioned guys) he never came thru with a cell phone - gives lots of promises but it is hard to carry those around in one's pocket, etc.
Well, at Prince's suggestion I headed out 2 nights ago to Moda Cafe and it was fairly classy, I was feeling a bit laid back, not so pickey so I chatted up the 1st gals that I sat next to, they were nice ladies, one aged 24 a brunette and the other was 27 super blondie with an shocking plunging string blouse which was played with latter in apartment. Yes, so it was 3some. They named a price for all night, till morning at 9 they clearly agreed, the price was $200 total (1/2 each) which seemed oddly low considering, well they put on a farily good show, just not as lesbi as one would like but, hey it was fairly porno like... But alas, following the adage that you get what you pay for after 4 nice hot deep bbbj's and other activity in 3 hours they complained that they had to go to work in the morning, blah, blah, so what could I do bar the door? No, so I said arivaderci.... well actually we spoke all in Russian. But before they left since they felt a little bad about leaving they both put in some great team work to finish me off via another bbbj, I did not know I could do 5 times in 3 hours but they used good technique.
then the following day I called up Svetlana whose name I was given by a friend who used to live in Kiev.... she's mid 30's must have been quite hot when younger but she acts basically as a madame for her many young friends all of whom unfortunately were still down playing in Krim... so we had a nice dinner, all in russian, and since she took me to some rather rip offski places also I do know that I have a well conected friend here for whatever I want next time....
So I sent her off in a taxi and said I wanted to walk along the river which of course after 5 minutes ended up again in Moda Bar... Well, there were some gay russian dudes singing fairly good rock while wearing tight gold stretch pants which resulted basically in all the girls looking at them, not the guys so much and since the performance ended at 2am and since it was hard to tell who was working during this obviously popular concert I high tailed it out of there up to River Palace.

Frankly I see very little difference in the quality of the ladies between Moda Bar and River Palace... I chatted with one snobby gorgeous babe- beautiful face a model, blue eyes, stunnig black hair, like Cleopatra but shoudl refused the notion of all night so I moved on and instead of model type went with a super petite but well built chica who as it turned out was an acrobatic gymnast... her friend was a 'retired' 23 year old dancer and since they knew each other since childhood they do like working together and oh my god they sure as hell did.... That was the tightest package ever.... Quite tired now after that.... The gymnast and I this morning really went at it...I think I can skip my work out today as a result. I'd love to hook up with them again.

Off now to the south of the country. Over and out.
Well, River palace was frankly as good as anything I saw in Rio in terms of selection and I mean it. The girls here really try and it's good to the last drop for most all!
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[NeilSydney]

Here are some of my observations from my River Palace experience.

Something I noticed about River Palace is that some of the girls really think quite highly of themselves. At 5am in the morning, there were still girls there quoting $200 for the rest of the night. Night? The sun's about to come up, lady, get real!

I found River Palace was fun to visit, but I was not really tempted by the majority of the girls. Most of them seemed to be hardened professionals. There were a few, however, who were quite amateur and demanded $200 minimum, but were quite happy to go home at 2 or 3am if they didn't get the offer they wanted. In the end though, it just seemed to be a smaller version of Nightflight in Moscow.

Someone once said in this forum that EVERY girl in River Palace is for sale. I was under that impression too, but you have to be careful. I made the 'mistake' of propositioning two girls that were with this big Ukrainian guy. He was pretty pissed off, but saw the funny side quickly, luckily. But you never know what could have happened.

Anyway, so at the end of the night I went with a rather average looking girl called Yulia. Quite tall, very light frizzly hair, age probably 27-30. Slightly saggy tits, but a surprisingly firm butt. But as is common, the worse they look, the better the service. She didn't mind me fingering her while in the cab (though it took 1 hryvna to shut up the cab driver when he complained). In the dark courtyard to my building, I got a nice bbbj to completion (prompted by her). Had sex in the apartment twice before going to bed; once finishing on her tits, and second time 'accidentally' getting it on her chin. And it was nice to wake up to another bbbj to completion in the morning, before I realised how average looking she really was, and booted her out of my apartment. She definitely was one to look at after 10 beers.

All in all, it was an interesting experience at River Palace. Just shows once again that is really hit and miss there.

[Vegamars]

The site is a complete ripoff cause it's exactly in the same format as the fictitious site odessa-escorts.tk which makes it obvious that it's all prepared by the same guy.

The fact that the charges are quoted in dollars rather than euro and the unnatural form of the pictures also make me think in that way.

Instead, stick on the reliable sites such as escort.odessa.ua and starsfromheaven.co.uk

[Maharadjah]

Hi,

Does anyone know about this escort website : http://www.exclusive-ukraine.tk/.
Any informations or report will be appreciated!
Here one of a girl photo proposed.

MR

[Vegamars]

I thought the girls out there were not wearing anything at all!!

Is the country getting more conservative??

If you try to act completely on your own without a sort of local or unlocal guide, then the girls will be more than happy to submit immediately.

Don't forget at all times that they like brave guys who know exactly how to act to get what they want.

You've got so many girls around that even if you're successful one in ten times, your life will be totally elaborated.

For those who're interested, one of the many guide services including apartments can be found via

kievapartmentservice.kiev.ua

You can ask for anything you wish and as all the other similar service companies, they'll find the solution to everything you can imagine.

Personally, I've never used such services, as it diminishes the real joy of adventure and surprises, the real thing that Kiev appeals to me.

The attached map from the website reflects all the necessary locations right in the center in the old town by the left bank of the Dniepr river.

[Prince2]

Live in Kyev,

Well I have finally managed to get over here and what a feast it has been. the earlier posts about khreschatyk street over the weekend are absolutely true. The girls wear some of the shortest skirts I have ever seen! I found that many girls that are interested in having some fun sit on the benches waiting to be chatted up. I have lucked out and found a local guide who does all the introductions and started the ball rolling. in one evening I managed to get 10 numbers with very little effort. time will tell if anything comes from them.

For those of you coming out here with a bit of time on your hands I definately think that is the way to. I checked out RP and found it to be a bit disapointing. I got there at 11pm and by about 12pm there were about 40 girls of which I would say 10 were to my liking. However as expected they were very professional in there attitude and i doubt the GFE would have been available. 150 bucks was the poening offer of all the gilrs I talked to. FYI Tuesdays / Wednesdays is free entry for gilrs b4 11pm.

EDITOR's NOTE: Posting of this report was delayed pending revisions to capitalize the word "I". To avoid future delays, please use a capital "I" to refer to yourself in future reports. Thanks!

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Thanks Mangus
Now I know how to pack my suitcase which I gotta do today!
Ya, now I recall something about the 'gift' question... their rude 'show me your money' question always jars me.
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[Bez Bezarra]

Rendo.
They always ask, "Are you bringing any gifts?" to get you to pay tariff.

If it didn't cost that much, then maybe they'll only ask you for a few $.

If you stash it in your suitcase and say no, you're right, they'll probably just
ignore it.

Ukrainians are always bringing in a bunch of stuff, don't know what
they get stuck paying, though I never saw anyone pay, just argue a lot.

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changing subjects...
Guys - I will be bringing a small stereo in a moderate size box in for an amigo in Ukraine. If I bring it with me as luggage which would show it being a stereol and/or if I wrap it in inconspicuous brown paper do you think the customs bastards will give me heck at Kiev/KBP?

Or perhaps I should take it out of the box and pack it in my suitcase...?

Thoughts/experiences appreciated.

thanks!
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[Vegamars]

The average age of the fleet doesn't mean everything, although it's an important factor.

The brand-new Boeings or some others from Europe( remember the one from Switzerland for instance) don't reflect any kind of safety or reliability.

Especially for the severe weather conditions of the domestic flights throughout EE, the current airvehicles are preferred deliberately for safety conditions, though the technology is not that up-to-date.

Keep in mind that there's not always a one-to-one
correspondence between high technology and safety conditions.

For some discreet action, let's fly on to prosex.com.ua and

kievgirls.in.net.ua

[Murilloa]

Gentlemen, aerogeeks, others,

Any chance of information on bought sex in the Ukraine? Or must we now look for information about prostitutes on some plane spotters' site?

[Roger Mellie]

If we are going to put this to bed, we need to bed down the right info: Airline fleet average age:

Emirates: 3 years
Singapore: 5 years
Austrian Airlines: 5.4 years
Swiss: 5.6 years
Easyjet: 5.7 years
British Airways: 7.5 years
United: 8.8 years
AA: 10.5 years
Delta: 11.2 years
Northwest: 20.2 years

IATA fleet (global average) 14.4 years

African / South American Average: 16 years (and rising)
North American Average: 13 years (and rising)
European Average: 8.5 years (and falling)
Asian Average: 8 years (and falling)

[Nauskas]

Singapore Airlines has the youngest fleet in the world, but based on country.., Japan and the US are very close. Europe is close, but Europe had Economic problems earlier with their airlines, which resulted in slower new aircraft acquisitions.

Most of the newer aircraft in Europe are Airbus, of which concerns have already been mentioned.

I don't like the A319 or 320 as much, but mostly because of the grunts and groans they make.