Kyiv

[Yossarian 99]

Originally posted by Armorer
Traveller22- I am not really sure what to tell you excpet, just start by sayin Hello. Be yourself. Thats all I can say. I know how you feel about rejection, but got to try. All else fails yhou can always go pro, and that can be as fun. good luck.
Yossarian99- Well going to be spending much time there in august? Is this for a school? Best thing I can say is don't be shy, go out and dance and check the parks out, beach. Where ever people are. Can go danceing at disco, its all up to you. I can say this much there is alot of fun to be had for he who is brave.
Also anyone emailing me please put something about Ukraine or Kiev inthe subject. Getting alot of junk mail lately and kinda scrapping it . Well I got to run anything else email me at baybilly@hotmail.com

Traveller22,

I'ts too bad you don't have a "wing man". I am quite shy myself and find a wing man to be very helpful.

When travelling alone, a common technique I frequently use is to try and ask for directions in russian / ukrainian while holding a phrase book in my hand. The idea of a helpless tourist asking for directions seems to disarm them just long enough to get you in the door. This little ploy announces to them that you are not just another local guy. At that point, their curiosity takes over, and you'll be having coffee (or sex) with them in no time. The key to remember is you are working the odds. If you get brushed off the first time, try again, and again, and again. No matter who you are, sooner or later, you WILL succeed, my friend.

Armorer,

My trip is purely for pleasure. I have a month vacation, and decided to just stay in one city (Kiev) or maybe two (Kiev and Odessa). I was hoping to get some tips on how I should approach vacationing in these cities.

Yossarian99

EDITOR's NOTE: I took a few minutes to revise the capitalization and punctuation in this report. However, I would very much appreciate it if everyone could refrain from using the "chat room" style of writing with no caps or punctuation. Thanks!

[Armorer]

Traveller22- I am not really sure what to tell you excpet, just start by sayin Hello. Be yourself. Thats all I can say. I know how you feel about rejection, but got to try. All else fails yhou can always go pro, and that can be as fun. good luck.
Yossarian99- Well going to be spending much time there in august? Is this for a school? Best thing I can say is don't be shy, go out and dance and check the parks out, beach. Where ever people are. Can go danceing at disco, its all up to you. I can say this much there is alot of fun to be had for he who is brave.
Also anyone emailing me please put something about Ukraine or Kiev inthe subject. Getting alot of junk mail lately and kinda scrapping it . Well I got to run anything else email me at baybilly@hotmail.com

[Traveller22]

Hello Armorer and Yossarian999!
I am in Kiev since the first of June. I will stay a few weeks. Maybe till the end of the month. I have a lot of free time but i must confess you my friends that I am not very proud of myself. I see everyday in kiev so much beautiful girls but something is inhibiting me! Because of this damned fear of rejection i didn't talk directly to any girls yet. Such a shame! I don't want to bother you too long with my inhibitions but maybe, armorer, you could give me some tricks! I know that the main trick is in fact just to try but those girls are so impressive.

I will be this week end in Odessa. Will post I hope some more positive reports then!

See you soon my friends!

[Yossarian 99]

Originally posted by Armorer
Traveller22,
Well first I am sorry for takeing so long to respond. I have been rather preoccupied lately. Well I use a visa service that obtains a tourist visa for me. Small fee included. After that I rent an appartment and just explore. If you have any need for further info drop me a line at baybilly@hotmail.com . I'll do my best to answer any questions then. Well sorry this is shor but I have to get going good luck.

Armorer --

Can you provide some more info on your recent trip to Ukraine? Per my message to Traveller22 below, I will be in Ukraine for 4-6 weeks in August but with not solid plans once I am there.

Thanks,

Yossarian99

[Armorer]

Traveller22,
Well first I am sorry for takeing so long to respond. I have been rather preoccupied lately. Well I use a visa service that obtains a tourist visa for me. Small fee included. After that I rent an appartment and just explore. If you have any need for further info drop me a line at baybilly@hotmail.com . I'll do my best to answer any questions then. Well sorry this is shor but I have to get going good luck.

[Yossarian 99]

Traveller22 --

Will be following you to kiev in August for the entire month. No solid plans, except that I will be there for 4-6 weeks.

Will be waiting for your report for most up-to-date info.

Thinking about staying with a host family for a week or so until I can get the lay of the land (first time in Ukraine). Will probably get an apartment after that.

In the process of learning Russian right now, since I know it will give me an edge with the non-pros.

Anyway, have fun. Take lots of notes!

Yossarian99

[Wanderer1000]

GoodLifeLiver-

This is also common in Russia. It's basically a woman that is looking to be "kept". Help her with her living expenses in order for her to be your girlfriend (whenever you need one).

[GoodLifeLiver]

I've been visiting some of the Ukrainian websites and have
noticed some girls talking about sponsers. Don't understand
if they're looking to visit abroad or if it's some term that means
something else. At first I thought I got into a matchmaking
site by accident...but nope!

Anyone?

[Traveller22]

Hello Armorer!

Many thanks for your feed back!
Finally I am planning to stay 3 weeks in Kiev next month, in June!
I would like to ask you 2 questions about visas. Is it true that for private visas you just have to write the name and address of a person who is living in Ukraine and that they even don't verify? How did you do to get your your own visa?
I tried to contact the ukrainian embassy in Switzerland, where I am living, and I fell on an answering machine. I sended them a fax but without any answer till now! So I really don't know what to do now!

Thanks in advance for your help and your excellent posts too.

[Armorer]

Traveller22
Well I just returned home. I had a wonderful time. Looking for no pro is not to hard. There are many places to go. I mean you can Just walk the main street Kreschatik. It is always alive and abundant with chances to meet the ladies. When you arrive just hunt a copy of WHats-on. It is an english mag that is put out once a week and lets you know what is going on in the city and also lista local clubs, discos and so on it is a free. It is handy little guide. But basicaly be nice and just talk to them and buy drinks or whatever. If you are looking for the nonpro.
ITs not to hard. Well I have to make this short got to get back to the work thing. Well let me know if you ahve any other questions. HAve you found a place to stay? Anything like that.
Well have fun.

[Traveller22]

Hello Armorer!

Good to see your post. It seems to me that this forum is almost dead if you compare it for example with the one for Moldavia.
I will be in kiev on July for the first time. Could you give your tips to chase effectively non-pros girls there?

You seem to have a good experience of that city.

Many thanks in advance.

[Armorer]

Hello All from Kiev this has been a relaxing sty I must say. My appartment was clean and very nice. I Visited most everywhere I wanted this time and Met some wonderful girls. I still have a couple days left before returning to USA .I would like to have a longer trip. So far the only trouble is tracking down a girl I met while here last couple trips. Kinda hard to track her down this time , Mobile not working. Oh well. Have fun

[Local Expert]

Hi guys,

I am planning a 7 days trip to the Ukraine in August with a couple of friends for the sole reason of mongering. Since none of us has ever been to the Ukraine, here are some questions:

1) We will either go to Odessa or Simferopol. Which is the better place to go to ?

2) Is renting an apartment in either of these places a good idea. There are adds on the internet saying it is just 40 bucks per day. Are these adds serious and are these kind of apartments clean ?

3) Is it true that the local amateurs are very keen on Western Europeans and therefore very easy to get to bed ?

4) Which are the most famous places for hoockers in the above mentioned places ?

5) How about normal bars/discos with amateurs ? Are there (m)any ?

6) What are the "rules" in these places ? Do you approach a girl yourself or wait until you get a signal from her, resp. do they approach you ?

Thanks a lot in advance

[Armorer]

Hello all it has been near a year since my last visit To Kiev. Sorry Kievman I wasn't able to come in January. I have the time now on may. May 6-14. Looking on a differant place to stay. Called my last contact and he is not so reliable lately. Also any new places of interest? I lovem tall and blonde. Later and happy hunting.

[mcammor]

Originally posted by MarkABC
I'm planning a trip to Kiev end may. Are River Palace, Hollywood, Dynamo Lux, Rest Town still the best places to visit to find company ? Any info about bars/discos where to meet local girls ( amateurs/students ) ? Thanks for your tips.

in my modest opinion the best is rest town.....