Kyiv

[TexasMorrell]

Now again chasing in mamba, but my first message I dotn talk about financial support. This make all good I hope. I also copied my contacts and also opened 2 fake mamba account as back up. I am doing my best to dig mamba.

KV,

I think you are making this more difficult then it has to be. I have a very long list of Mamba girls and I found them with one simple phrase.

"$75 for 1 hour?" or "$ 75 &1079; &1072; 1 &1095; &1072; &1089;?"

That is all you need to say, nothing else. If she is interested she will message you back and say ok or no she wants $100.

Worst case you get a "fuck you" or you get no reply at all. Who cares?

And all my girls are semi-pro college girls with verified photos and email or Skype or phone numbers. I tell them to email me this stuff to verify they are real. If they do not it means you are looking at a fake salon profile and you do not know what you are going to get.

[Kiev Freak]

Now again chasing in mamba, but my first message I dotn talk about financial support. This make all good I hope. I also copied my contacts and also opened 2 fake mamba account as back up. I am doing my best to dig mamba.

[Kiev Freak]

I believe that going to Kiev without doing homework in mamba is a very big risk because you can stay alone in daytime. Mamba blocked my ip address also. But activated my account again. I will never understand them.

[Tomux 22]

I hate the damned mamba. How I will meet with girls if I don't send message? Even facebook is not so strict. This is a ripoff! I lost many contacts who I worked for 2 weeks. I sent emails to support team but no answer. I hate this situation. Options are already limited by mamba and 3-4 night clubs and several strip clubs in Kiev. Now I lost the mamba edge with many contacts. Damage is big

Bad luck. I always try to get skype details or phone nr and use whatsup. This helps me to feel them out better and not to metion perfect for semi pros. Since once in a while they will write,"things not good, little money".

[Climaxnow]

I hate the damned mamba. How I will meet with girls if I don't send message? Even facebook is not so strict. This is a ripoff! I lost many contacts who I worked for 2 weeks. I sent emails to support team but no answer. I hate this situation. Options are already limited by mamba and 3-4 night clubs and several strip clubs in Kiev. Now I lost the mamba edge with many contacts. Damage is big

If you are 29, you should have no problem finding a college age girl at Vodka Bar. I'm 45, and I had girls passing me phone numbers on heart shaped pieces of paper without any solicitation. Girl boyfriends tried to signal me with their eyes. Bring a pack of cigarettes, and point to the outside of the bar for a chat. For me, it had to be discreet because of my age in there, but probably not necessary for you.

[FiddyCent]

I hate the damned mamba. How I will meet with girls if I don't send message? Even facebook is not so strict. This is a ripoff! I lost many contacts who I worked for 2 weeks. I sent emails to support team but no answer. I hate this situation. Options are already limited by mamba and 3-4 night clubs and several strip clubs in Kiev. Now I lost the mamba edge with many contacts. Damage is big

Hello Kiev Freak.

It seems that all the money you have already spent on Mamba is sunk. It is time to cut your losses. If your time is short, then head straight for the strip clubs or Vodka Bar and try to pick somebody up from there. Sometimes you can just get lucky in other areas, just by being yourself. You may be able to meet somebody the old fashioned way. It was so much easier back in the days of River Palace.

Best of luck. Let us know how it works out.

FiddyCent

[Kiev Freak]

I hate the damned mamba. How I will meet with girls if I don't send message? Even facebook is not so strict. This is a ripoff! I lost many contacts who I worked for 2 weeks. I sent emails to support team but no answer. I hate this situation. Options are already limited by mamba and 3-4 night clubs and several strip clubs in Kiev. Now I lost the mamba edge with many contacts. Damage is big

[Kiev Freak]

I also lost my favoritess (

[LilJoey]

But how I will say them I will give $ for sex? I kindly offering "financial support", I don't say rudely sex for money. Many girls put nude photo but nobody ban them. This happened me 3rd time. They also ate my 50 $, before 3-4 months and never opened that account again.

I don't humiliate girls. I don't insist. Only send messages. And tell honestly what I want. My profile my age is 29 so age difference isn't a problem (my real age is also almost same).

Now I afraid to open new profile and load $ and again this will occur.

LJ, you say I shouldn't be talk about $. But you are also absoultely right that I don't want wasting of my extremely limited time with freebees for uncertain sex probability (I stay in Kiev usually 1 night or 2 night if I am lucky). So all p4p will make it clerar before meeting by asking $? If really tehy don't talk about $, this means they are not p4p, just normal freebees?

I say material support because I only want to spend time with freebess.

In my profile, I also write very open about this. Shortly in my profile says," I just look for girls for fun, romance and good times together, I don't look for something serious. Material support incldued" Of course with fancy words. But main is that.

If I have time 1 week in Kiev I believe I will do many things but time is limited my options (

The point I was making didn't seem to get through to you. Let me try again more bluntly. I don't know this for sure, but I am suggesting that it is possible that the reaction you are getting is related to the things you write in your messages and in your profile that clearly identify you as a "sex tourist", something which may make you a target for some of the abuses you suffered. I recognize that you are impatient to identify which girls will accept your money to allow you to fuck them. But this impatience or eagerness is possibly responsible for making you write things that make it too obvious what your purpose is in coming to Kiev. To fuck young Ukrainian girls. In your eagerness to find girls for sex, you have abandoned all discretion and you are showing all of your cards. This can make you a target for the contempt of girls who are not working in the sex trade. The website administrators are busy deleting the profiles of girls who are too obviously attempting to market sexual services for money, or hadn't you noticed all the profiles that get deleted almost as soon as they give out their phone number or state a price, or shortly thereafter.

So what I am suggesting to you is to go fishing for p4p girls, in a more discrete way. Do not write anything in your profile or in your messages that would identify you as a sex tourist, a man seeking to find girls to fuck for money. Instead present yourself as a foreign businessman, coming to Ukraine for business. In your profile there is a feature in the settings that allows you to select the statement "I am willing to become a sponsor". You may select that. But that is as far as I would go. Some would argue that even that statement is going too far, and identifies you as a sex tourist. But since it is part of the website software, I am thinking that you wouldn't get blocked for selecting it. I saw this feature in the mamba iPhone application. I have not checked whether it is also in the online version of mamba. But anyway, looking for a sponsor, or willing to become a sponsor, are code words in use in Kiev, that communicate your willingness to help in the support of a girl who will become your girlfriend.

For whatever reason, the girls do not look at "sponsorship" as prostitution. They look at it as finding a rich boyfriend. That is a fiction. It is obviously sex in return for money, especially if such girls have collected more than one man as such "sponsors". But nevertheless, it is a fiction that enables young girls to get money from older men who are wealthy in return for their affections, and to not think of themselves as engaging in prostitution.

It is a fine line and a matter of perspective. Here is the classic argument. Does not a husband provide economic support to the woman he is married to? Do they not engage in sex? But that is not considered "money for sex" or prostitution, because the woman is giving herself to only one man. The same is true of an unmarried boyfriend and girlfriend, where the boyfriend helps his girlfriend economically. There too, the girl is giving herself to only that one boyfriend. Therefore, it is able to be said that the sex is in return for love, and a result of affection. And the money and economic support too, is given as a gift out of love or friendship, and not in exchange for the sex. These relationships are recognized and hallowed by society as proper and respectable and good. But obviously, one of the prime motives of a man who marries a woman or who takes her for his girlfriend, is the desire to have sex with her. Without the "sex drive" in each of us, there would be no such relationships between the sexes. And yes, money and support are traditionally expected and given in such relationships, that are founded on sexual desire one for the other. But as human beings, we are also capable of developing additional feelings of love and affection and friendship. And so, the human relationships that are clothed with these higher level feelings, are given respectability by our society, even though at their root, the sex drive is what makes them happen and sustains these relationships. When men and women mate out of feelings of friendship and affection, we tell ourselves that it is different than how the animals in the world of nature mate. It is of course not true that animals always mate indiscriminately with just any other animal of the opposite sex. That is thought out of ignorance. Those who study animal behavior have discovered many instances of animals choosing a unique and distinct mate of the opposite sex, with whom they mate exclusively. I remember watching the amazing movie "March of the Penquins" which examined the life cycle of these interesting creatures. How poignant it was to see how they each searched and searched to find their one true mate. In any event, relationships between men and women, that are unique and that set apart one girl from all other girls, for a particular man, and are based upon feelings of friendship and affection, have respectability in society, even though there is clearly an exchange of sex, and an exchange of money, because the sex and money are not seen as being directly in exchange for each other. But rather in exchange for the love and affection and friendship shared between the couple.

Why is it different than prostitution? Because, on the other hand, a prostitute gives herself not to only one man, but rather to all men who will pay her.

But what about all those relationships that fall in between a girl who will have sex with all men in exchange for money and support, and a woman in a unique relationship with only one man, be it husband or boyfriend. There are lots of people who are not in any form of committed relationship with any single one person, but who like to have sex with many different people, simply because they enjoy sex as a recreation and entertainment. The sexually active person is capable of indiscriminate sex with many sex partners, and this too is not seen as prostitution by society. And if a man enjoys very much having sex with a girl who he finds very attractive, and gives her gifts, that too does not make it into prostitution, in the eyes of society. Why? Because the girl did not make it a condition of her having sex with the man. The moment the gift or economic support becomes a openly stated condition of her having sex with him, and she does this with more than one man, we have entered the realm of prostitution.

So in my view, the "sponsorship" idea that is prevalent in Kiev, is not necessarily prostitution, because it can certainly be part of a boyfriend and girlfriend relationship. But when a girl takes many such "sponsors" simultaneously, how then can it be differentiated from prostitution? Yet the girls in Kiev who seek sponsors do not see themselves as prostitutes. They concieve of girls with sponsors, as a different more respectable category. But it is a fine line. Anyways, it is to our advantage that such a perception exists in the society in Kiev. Because it allows us to offer sponsorship, which is a kind of continued periodic economic support to a girl, if she will be our girlfriend when we come to Kiev to visit. And no one looks at this as prostitution.

And of course, obviously until a man and a girl have reached a point where they can decide to enter a sponsorship relationship, there is a process, to see if they are compatible. The man must see if he will like the girl enough, and part of that is if she is capable of pleasing him and meets his needs. So just like any relationship it begins by dating, and seeing if the couple likes each other. And in these dates, obviously the man and the girl will be having sex, because that is a major part of the question of whether they are sexually pleasing one to the other. And since the girl needs economic support, of course, during these initial dates to see if they can be a "couple" and whether they want to enter into a sponsorship relationship, the girl must be given some support also. So an amount is agreed upon that she will receive for each of these initial dates. And the amount may be based upon the amount of time she spends with him. And the dates may be dates that involve only bedroom activities, while he is trying her out as a girlfriend for sponsorship purposes. And in all this, no one of the girls is saying to herself that this is prostitution, because it is all part of the quest for a sponsor girlfriend relationship.

But you can see how difficult it might be to draw the fine line between a series of initial dates that don't end in actual sponsorship relationships, and prostitution. These girls are walking a very fine line. Yet that is the situation I have seen in Kiev.

So saying you are willing to become a sponsor, is like saying you are willing to date a girl to see if she can become a girlfriend in a long term relationship with you, that includes her being your girlfriend sexually, and you giving her periodic support, and it is understood that there is always a "try out" period in the beginning of each such relationship, where you and the girl will have sex, and you will also give her some money. But, the way they are looking at it in Kiev, this language does not mean you are looking for prostitution, since the girls looking for a sponsor do not see themselves as offering prostitution services.

So try being much more discreet in what you write. Maybe use the accepted "language" of willing to become a sponsor, as your code word for this instead of simply saying you are offering money or financial help so openly. Maybe it will make a difference, although I cannot guarantee it. I told you, those girls who want money will tell you. They have to tell you. Otherwise they can't get the money they want. So let them tell you. You don't have to be the one to tell them.

[Kiev Freak]

But how I will say them I will give $ for sex? I kindly offering "financial support", I don't say rudely sex for money. Many girls put nude photo but nobody ban them. This happened me 3rd time. They also ate my 50 $ , before 3-4 months and never opened that account again.

I don't humiliate girls. I don't insist. Only send messages. And tell honestly what I want. My profile my age is 29 so age difference isn't a problem (my real age is also almost same).

Now I afraid to open new profile and load $ and again this will occur.

LJ, you say I shouldn't be talk about $. But you are also absoultely right that I don't want wasting of my extremely limited time with freebees for uncertain sex probability (I stay in Kiev usually 1 night or 2 night if I am lucky). So all p4p will make it clerar before meeting by asking $? If really tehy don't talk about $, this means they are not p4p, just normal freebees?

I say material support because I only want to spend time with freebess.

In my profile, I also write very open about this. Shortly in my profile says," I just look for girls for fun,romance and good times together, I dont look for something serious. Material support incldued" Of course with fancy words. But main is that.

If I have time 1 week in Kiev I believe I will do many things but time is limited my options (

[LilJoey]

My mamba account has been again blocked! I just loaded 15 $ to my account, made myself VIP, changed the location to KIEV and just send 20-30 messages to girls. Profile is blocked. Why this is happened? I sent normal meeting message,"you are nice, lets meet, financial support included." etc. But blocked and wasted my $. This happened 3rd time. What is the wrong with mamba?

Maybe leave out the phrase "financial support included" which probably pisses off regular girls who are not seeking money for sex, and may have resulted in one or more of them complaining of messages from a sex tourist (you). Also have you been writing to girls who stated an upper age limit which your own age exceeds significantly. That too can [CodeWord140] off girls, who may be immature and spiteful enough to complain about you. The best policy is to write an initial message that is not so clearly from a sex tourist. Include some compliments, some humor if you can, and suggest meeting. Let the girls who respond be the ones to raise money as an issue. If they are p4p girls, don't worry. They won't agree to meet you before making clear that they expect money. So just press for their telephone number and for a meeting. And they will bring up money. If they don't it means you have a date with a regular girl, which can turn into a freebie. If you don't want to waste time on dating regular girls, because time does not allow, you simply don't have to keep the date, and you can cancel it or fail to confirm it etc.

[YellowPaul]

My mamba account has been again blocked! I just loaded 15 $ to my account, made myself VIP, changed the location to KIEV and just send 20-30 messages to girls. Profile is blocked. Why this is happened? I sent normal meeting message,"you are nice, lets meet, financial support included." etc. But blocked and wasted my $. This happened 3rd time. What is the wrong with mamba?

This happened to me for a while back I was blocked with no explanation given. Forget about any type of customer service at least what we are accustomed to in the West.

Mamba never responded to at least 4-5 e-mails I sent them.

I was spending money with them and giving clean messages to the girls. I hardly ever go the site anymore but I noticed they finally unlocked my profile maybe a year later.

Again no explanation given. LOL

[Kiev Freak]

My mamba account has been again blocked! I just loaded 15 $ to my account, made myself VIP, changed the location to KIEV and just send 20-30 messages to girls. Profile is blocked. Why this is happened? I sent normal meeting message,"you are nice, lets meet, financial support included." etc. But blocked and wasted my $. This happened 3rd time. What is the wrong with mamba?

[Misc123]

I would say any travel insurance from your home country should work. You just pay directly and get re imbursed later. If you get hospitalized, your insurance should talk to the hospital directly.

For example, I know STA Travel, which has offices in several first-world countries, offers such insurance.

I always carry a travrel insurance, as, when I go to Europe, I always travel in several different countries not just for P4P, but also for sightseeing.

Thank you Sorbonne. I looked at similar insurance. Mostly foreign insurance is not recognized in ukraine. Read the link from US State department below.

Here is a more comprehensive view of ukraine medical facilities (this forum will find it useful).

http://travel.state.gov/travel/cis_p.../cis_1053.html#medical.

Canada also has a good site.

http://travel.gc.ca/destinations/ukraine

Medical services.

Medical facilities are limited. Shortages of basic medical supplies are common. The medical insurance policy provided by the state-owned company Ukrainmedstrakh covers all expenses for medical care and provides medical supplies in case of emergency.

[Sorbonne]

Where do you buy that travel insurance? From your travel agent?

Problem is how do you know it works in ukraine?

I have traveled many times to Eastern Europe but never thought of having a health insurance as I never got sick or into an accident.

But if any of us visitors fall ill or get into an accident, then what insurance works in ukraine. If you know of any?

I would say any travel insurance from your home country should work. You just pay directly and get re imbursed later. If you get hospitalized, your insurance should talk to the hospital directly.

For example, I know STA Travel, which has offices in several first-world countries, offers such insurance.

I always carry a travrel insurance, as, when I go to Europe, I always travel in several different countries not just for P4P, but also for sightseeing.