Kyiv

[Sorbonne]

Whether or not the invasion eventually happens, the threat is real, and I left Ukraine 2 weeks before the US government's recommendation for a southern European country.

A regular from Kyiv is now asking me to let her join me. I'm not sure what I'm going to do with her. I don't want her to necessarily join me, but if I refuse, it'll probably be the end of our relation.

If Russia takes over the entire country of Ukraine, I wonder if the scene would be any better.

[Sorbonne]

It really depends on who you want to ask?

https://ua.usembassy.gov/ukraine-lev...-not-travel-2/

Across the pond https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/art...g-Ukraine.html.

Whether or not the invasion eventually happens, the threat is real, and I left Ukraine 2 weeks before the US government's recommendation for a southern European country.

A regular from Kyiv is now asking me to let her join me. I'm not sure what I'm going to do with her. I don't want her to necessarily join me, but if I refuse, it'll probably be the end of our relation.

[Jojosun]

Is anyone over their talking about a possible war? Not seeing nothing about!

It really depends on who you want to ask?

https://ua.usembassy.gov/ukraine-lev...-not-travel-2/

Across the pond https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/art...g-Ukraine.html.

[RacShack]

So I've been living in Kiev for about 3 months now. I like it so far. Are we allowed to talk about what the best / most reliable agencies are? GFE girls seem to be pretty rare.

Is anyone over their talking about a possible war? Not seeing nothing about!

[Yznem]

So I've been living in Kiev for about 3 months now. I like it so far. Are we allowed to talk about what the best / most reliable agencies are? GFE girls seem to be pretty rare.

[Desin]

...I made a booking, but I cancelled on her at the last minute as punishment.

LOL. I wondered is this a thing girls do. Apparently it is.

I too experienced this with a Mamba girl.

Now, thinking if it's Kiev again next summer or not, my main concern is two-fold: will there be 3000 uah girl-next-door girls available, and would I find regular female company to hang out in the city. The latter doesn't relate to this forum, but the first one does. Based on the experience last summer, the prices were high for many girls. I think agencies from Telegram could be an option, but not my preferable one.

[VinDici]

My other option is Theater. Wide spectrum of offerings in Kiev. Ladies love it. The best way to get a dedicated regular for sure.

Concerts of visiting artists of all calibers from David Garrett to rock, progressive, jazz, and beyond. And I prefer to arrive to those with a reliable female, that, as Kozerog stated awhile ago, I'd be proud of having on my arm. Showing off is not exactly the main purpose, and yet a beautiful intelligent woman is a joy. More than once I had to take care of two beauties at the Theater. It definitely helps when one of them is trustworthy, and will not throw a jealousy tantrum.

I tried this on my last visit. One girl was particularly keen on repeat visits with me, but I tend to go for older, so I was a little apprehensive. I later relented since I figured her enthusiasm for me would make for great fuck sessions, as she would be motivated to keep my interest. I have always wanted to fuck a girl in the Theatre and would happily settle for a blowie or a handy, depending on what I could get away with, so I agreed to meet this girl on the condition that there would be some hanky panky.

I booked a private box at the ballet, and picked one that seemed to be the most discreet seating.

When we were there I was hoping to slip my hand up her skirt, but she stopped me, and I got a half hearted handy, but she was so concerned about us being found out, that there was no skill applied, as such I couldn't even get hard. Total waste of tickets, hors the'oeuvres and drinks. I fucked her when we got home, but all in all it was a disappointment. Obviously she wanted another meet during my visit, so I made a booking, but I cancelled on her at the last minute as punishment.

Anyone here had sucess fucking a girl at the theatre / opera / ballet, and if so, how did you manage it?

[PhotoSlider]

There's salsa and other forms of social dancing, which I enjoy as a way of going out at night. An older man who is obviously ONLY looking to meet younger girls is probably going to feel unwelcome at social dancing venues. However, if he is truly serious about social dancing, no problem, in my experience.

I've had lots of indications of interest (IOIs) over the years while social dancing in Kyiv, but I never followed up for several reasons:

Detailed analytical write-up, - thank you, Kozerog!

Yeah, there's variety in the city. At least 30 universities, plus academies and colleges. Kiev National University has 20,000 students. Add to this mix the office workers, barbers, cashiers, and even those with the main occupation of extracting money from the members of this Forum. Abundance of females hungry for all sorts of entertainment. And the city obliges.

Over time I made enough connections. Sufficient to stay in touch even after 2+ years away, and still finding new ones, if only for conversation these days. Those connections showed me life beyond the strip clubs, massage parlors, hourly girls, Arena City, and GIA. Day and night, - truly endless possibilities opened up.

I did have a strong intention, and even a young enough designated partner for social dancing. But due to the usual over-subscription and bandwidth limitations it didn't materialize.

My other option is Theater. Wide spectrum of offerings in Kiev. Ladies love it. The best way to get a dedicated regular for sure.

Concerts of visiting artists of all calibers from David Garrett to rock, progressive, jazz, and beyond. And I prefer to arrive to those with a reliable female, that, as Kozerog stated awhile ago, I'd be proud of having on my arm. Showing off is not exactly the main purpose, and yet a beautiful intelligent woman is a joy. More than once I had to take care of two beauties at the Theater. It definitely helps when one of them is trustworthy, and will not throw a jealousy tantrum.

I wouldn't designate places-to-eat as a night life, but I do spend considerable time in those. With ladies, or people watching, or simply working. Never really hunt for girls there, because I am rapidly approaching 60, and am not exactly a Brad Pitt. But on a few occasions I had to delay a little my dinner date with an incoming one, because the outgoing was still present.

The main advantage the Kiev provides is erasing the taboo against the middle-aged man having a young female partner in public. Yes, some girls objected to my suggestions to go out, especially in the beginning. Later most of them warmed up and didn't mind. Stigma is not that visible in that society. Perhaps the main reason is the demographic dis-balance and competition for males that can provide, improve the quality of life, including the night life.

Anyway, whatever strikes your fancy outside of our main hobby, or coinciding with it, Kiev may have it. I'd like to take DJ classes, already took studio photography 1:1 with female instructor and beautiful models. For the latter I insisted that we won't do anything erotic (it was still on the border). Languages is another venue. Teaching English for free, or learning Ukrainian for an hourly fee. Kiev became so cosmopolitan over the last 10-15 years!

To be continued.

[IndusMint]

A super great friend of mine from Belarus is in Kiev for super company.

If interrested pm me.

[Kozerog]

Question: What is your definition of "Night Life"?

I understand that for some of respected gentlemen here it is good fun in the strip club, booze, scantily clad women, and more. The proverbial night out in the Western City.

Any other opinions?

I do not offer this survey to criticize. On the contrary, - looking for feedback, fully expecting some of it being radically different from my perception of the universe.

There's salsa and other forms of social dancing, which I enjoy as a way of going out at night. An older man who is obviously ONLY looking to meet younger girls is probably going to feel unwelcome at social dancing venues. However, if he is truly serious about social dancing, no problem, in my experience.

I've had lots of indications of interest (IOIs) over the years while social dancing in Kyiv, but I never followed up for several reasons:

1) I have that regular and other girls can't easily compete with her in my eye. I'm not in love with this girl, far from it, but I am lazy and won't stray as long as she continues to deliver reliable and trouble-free results.

2) Many of these IOIs were obviously for a serious civilian relationship, eventually leading to marriage and children, by women around 30 who are starting to get desperate and thus willing to ignore or be deluded about my age (61 currently). Incompatible goals, so no point wasting their time or mine.

3) Some IOIs were from attractive women age 45 and up. Why bother when I have that much younger regular? These women could offer true love, which the regular doesn't offer, but I am too old to care. Anyway, I couldn't love them back because I'm too old to love anything except money. Speaking of which, saving money is no reason to exchange my regular for a civilian, since the regular is well within my budget.

4) Some IOIs were from university girls, the sort who are open to short-term sexual relationships for the pure sake of adventure, and these are tempting as offering variety, instead of only seeing that regular. However, there's the risk of scandal: social dancing is a small world and gossip travels fast. IMO, better to hunt for university girls on mamba and leave them alone where social dancing is concerned. Maybe someone with better skills at seducing university girls could succeed where I am too lazy and risk-averse to try.

[Shogo1971]

I've been a good client of escort. Vc, gia or whatever since 2014, I've had gia girls for three days, one day, two days, 6 hours 3 hours, and 10 hours and for the most part all satisfactory. As a result of what happened today, I'll never patronize this agency again. One of the higher price girls came to me today, for 10 hours, she walks in counts the money, and I offer tea, then she takes a chuck of cheese from her purse and places it on a plate and eats it while drinking her tea, and of course a lot of texting, I sat for 35 minutes and watched her eat her cheese and drink her tea, I told her to put her phone away and come to me, I hugged her for a minute and then she said she needs to shower, 5 minutes later she returns, I took her towel off, we rolled on the bed for 5 minutes, she didn't want to kiss, I told her that the site indicates she kisses, she didn't want to. I told her to leave, she contact her manager and I explained the situation, he said pay her for an hour 250 dollars, she was in my flat for 45 minutes, for the first 30 minutes I watched her eat her cheese and text, following a shower we rolled around on the bed for 5 minutes, no sex at all, and I had to give her 250 dollars for all this aggravation, never will I ever contact this agency again.

I arrived in Kiev after pending 40 days in Dnipro, my regular in that city was a very attractive 19 year old from a agency in Dnipro, for 2000 UAH the service I received from her was so much better.

I'm going to Kiev next month. Do you know a luxury escort club where fashion models are enrolled?

[Fred54]

Hi all,

I just come back from one week in Kiev.

Christmas weather was very nice. Cold with an amazing blue sky, and snow after.

A lot of places are very well decorated. It's very beautiful to see.

As usual I worked a few days before the trip on mamba and I've found enough contact before the trip. For me tinder is a big waste of time, mamba is really far more efficient on this subject.

About strip club, I was in princess 2 times. I was in this place from a previous trip, and recognize some of the girls.

I took for a few dances an amazing slim brunette, she recognizes me from my first trip, she was glued to me during all the dances, and it's the kind of girl who comes to take your hands and place them at strategic places.

For my second visit she saw me as soon as I arrived in the club and dances were even better. I also tried massage, this one is not erotic at all, but it allows to talk to the girl in a quiet place.

Another small but with perfect body girl was also here, I don't use to tip lazy girls, but this one deserved money, and was grateful to get some.

For sure I will go again to Kiev for my next holidays.

[Ringudor]

Anyway, after that I went to another club which was more expensive (private dance is for 1500 grivnas) and I was only one of the two customers in the club, there was no smoke and the there were only 6 girls in the club but they were more beautiful. I stayed there until 6:00 AM and I took one of the girls out for $700. She didn't give me a condomless blowjob but I was satisfied with her beauty and her sex service. I wish I negotiated for a condomless blowjob before paying, in that case she couldn't have rejected blowjob without condom. This was a good lesson for me..

I'm curious. Which is that expensive stripclub? I never saw so expensive places in Kiev.

Is sad how bad are going stripclubs in city, it used to be a stripclub paradise before covid.

[PhotoSlider]

Question: What is your definition of "Night Life"?

I understand that for some of respected gentlemen here it is good fun in the strip club, booze, scantily clad women, and more. The proverbial night out in the Western City.

Any other opinions?

I do not offer this survey to criticize. On the contrary, - looking for feedback, fully expecting some of it being radically different from my perception of the universe.

Best regards!

[WadPro]

Thank you for your valuable assessments and reviews, but I had already completed my short (2 nights) trip before I saw your response. I will consider your review for my next trip in this summer. Let me share my Kiev trip details with you.

Before getting to Kiev I started to look for girls on Tinder, and I found two girls, one of them was a girl with huge boobs like "E" cup size, and the other one was a blond girl with average size boobs. At first I scheduled meetings with both of them for Saturday, then I took my meeting with the busty girl to Friday night and I met her. We sat in a bar and spent two hours together then we agreed on meeting on Saturday. I was aware of the "no sex on the first day" rule.

Then I started to discover the strip clubs at Friday night, first I went to Princess club but I didn't like the environment, it was full of low class people from the middle east and the whole club was covered with hookah and cigarette smoke, and the girls were average or below than average. I left the club without sitting. Then I went to Rio, but it was closed. I entered Tootsie club next to Rio, but the I observed the same thing there, middle easterners and their smoke, and average girls, I left that club in one minute. By the way the security staff in Tootsie was annoying, they were looking at me as if they are about to beat me, I didn't understand why they were so harsh. I experienced such a thing first time in Kiev. Then I went to Rhino club at Lesi first, but I didn't sit there because it was covered with cigarette and hookah smoke, the club was not looking like a good place. After that I tried the other Rhino at Solmenka, at first everything was looking better, no cigarette smoke, no middle easterners, and better girls. So I decided to sit in and ordered some sushi. I firstly realized the sushi was awful, secondly I realized that there were only 7 girls in the club. I liked only one of them (a tall blond with big boobs) and I had a private dance with her, two songs dance for 600 grivnas, after the two songs were over she asked me whether I wanted her to continue, and I said I will think about that, but she didn't allow me to leave the room and she danced for one more song, then she asked for another 600 grivnas, I objected, and I said I didn't ask you to dance more, and if there was a communication problem, okay let me pay 300 grivnas because you danced for just one song, but the girl and the waitress insisted on charging 600 grivnas by saying each additional song is 600 grivnas. I am a wealthy guy and 300 grivnas are nothing for me but I felt like I was ripped off and I decided to pay the money they wanted and leave the club immediately. But what happened next? First, the waitress tried to rip me off one more time by not deducting the drinks and the sushi from the deposit (1.000 grivnas), then she did it after my warning, I paid 3.000 grivnas for the 2. 820 grivnas bill, but the waitress didn't come back after getting money from me. I went to the bar to take my change, but the same waitress told me she thought that it was a tip. I said "no tips" and asked for the change, and they made me wait at least 5 minutes to give me 180 grivnas. Then I tore that 180 grivnas off as soon as they gave it to me to show them I wanted that change for another reason. And I left the club. I didn't go to Harem and Dolls because I already know that those clubs are shitholes from my past experience. By the way some taxi drivers are always recommending the dolls club and it shows that those taxi drivers have a commission deal with the club.

Anyway, after that I went to another club which was more expensive (private dance is for 1500 grivnas) and I was only one of the two customers in the club, there was no smoke and the there were only 6 girls in the club but they were more beautiful. I stayed there until 6:00 AM and I took one of the girls out for $700. She didn't give me a condomless blowjob but I was satisfied with her beauty and her sex service. I wish I negotiated for a condomless blowjob before paying, in that case she couldn't have rejected blowjob without condom. This was a good lesson for me.

The next day, the busty girl whom I met on thinder came to my hotel, she was not looking like a pro or semi-pro, but on our second day she asked for $500 as a gift, and I gave her the money she wanted. Because I really wanted her. And hopefully I was satisfied with her and she really made me happy. She gave me blowjob without condom, she offered me regular massage and boob massage, and her BJ technique was impressive, she also gave me boobjob and I literally fucked her huge boobs a few times. Somehow fucking huge boobs gives me more pleasure than fucking a pussy.

This is the brief of my Kiev adventure.

By the way I recommend BBQ croissants in Lviv Croissants bakeries. It's really delicious and good for breakfast.

Sure. Happy to help. Well, it's kind of hard to rank clubs because in general all of them suck these days (comparing to even 5 years ago).

And it's partially due to demographically changes and obviously COVID has a huge impact on nightlife venues.

So anyways. Here is my latest take based on my 4 trips to Kiev in 2021.

Princess. - 6/10.

Normally around 20 dancers on shift)) Girls look better than other places, Private dances in general OK but depends on girl (some of them could be very hot others will not even allow you to touch them).

VIP rooms very dark so you won't see much. Take out possible for $300 but not for the best looking girls..