Kyiv

[Jake993]

I have this option and interesting from me because for Russia I need a visuma dn this is not the case in Ukraine. I only wonder if a Russian woman can offer me more than a local Ukraine woman? are they more desperates for some extra money? are they better in sex? Maybe Kiev is a chance to combine and choose between Russian and Ukraine? any experiences from other members in this topic? positive or negative?

That's a good question but please don't misunderstand my situation. This was a non-pro girl that I was trying to lure with me on a get-away weekend for sex. The fact that she came to Kiev was strictly as a mini-vacation. The same girl took the train to Saint Petersburg to meet me the year earlier and I had the same results. This girl is a business woman with a very stressful job so getting her out of Moscow was the key to having sex with her in this case.

BUT - again I think you ask an interesting question. If you are comparing Moscow pros and Kiev pros, I think you are better off with the Kiev pro in Kiev. Maybe not. Mind you, if you find a Russian girl in Kiev who is on teh job, then she may well be more desperate and be willing to give you more value for dollar (or Hryvna). But maybe not - tough question man.

[Sponsor74]

Me too - I had a girl come from Moscow to meet me in Kiev last February. I was going to have her fly down and she suggested that we spend the money on a nice dinner out and she would take the TRAIN down. Gotta love a sensible girl.

I have this option and interesting from me because for Russia I need a visuma dn this is not the case in Ukraine. I only wonder if a Russian woman can offer me more than a local Ukraine woman? are they more desperates for some extra money? are they better in sex? Maybe Kiev is a chance to combine and choose between Russian and Ukraine? any experiences from other members in this topic? positive or negative?

[Jake993]

I agree with UKEboys advice.

Me too - I had a girl come from Moscow to meet me in Kiev last February. I was going to have her fly down and she suggested that we spend the money on a nice dinner out and she would take the TRAIN down. Gotta love a sensible girl.

[Borat69]

BB,

Why not just meet here in Ukraine? If she is from the provinces, a trip to Kiev would be a treat for her and a lot cheaper for you than Turkey. That way if there is no sex, you can put her on the next train back home for a lot less money.

If you are determined to meet her in Turkey, like anything else, no guarantees about her having sex with you. Most tickets are now e-tickets so I do not see how you can keep the return off the e-ticket and if you sent her a one-way ticket that would also be a sign of bad faith on your part. Not a good way to signal your intentions. Also some immigration officers do ask to see a return ticket before allowing someone into the country so you may have no sex at all if that happens. That is not a good idea.

If it is Turkey you decide on, it is a risk you take unless you ask her or tell her outright that sex is part of the price she will have to pay. Otherwise, consider a trip to Ukraine.

I agree with UKEboy's advice.

[Borat69]

Hi,

Will be in Kyiv next week on vacation, had a good read through this thread which has been very helpful cheers. If anyone is around for a drink PM me as I'm on my own! Also it seems that I really need to brush up on a bit of Russian to strike up a conversation with most girls does it? My Russian is virtually nothing so guess I need to learn some basics?

Quick tips (copy/paste from a PM I responded to), mostly for the asian man in Kiev:

1. Learn some Russian before you go. Even the basics will help. I speak some basic conversational Russian and it only took me 5 days before the trip. In general my friends failed with a few girls who genuinely did not speak any English, while I was sustaining a 1 hour conversation with them thanks to this. But to be honest I also think alot of women DO speak english and pretend they don't. I sometimes wondered if this was due to being an ethnic minority, and I'm sure there is some correlation, as I'd see some old fat ugly fucking bastard talk to the girl shortly after and be conversing, and we'd be pretty sure it's a foreigner. But we could be wrong.

2. There IS a level of racism, but it's not super blatant, you will get stared down at times, you will get people watching you esp if you are with a local girl, alot more severely than most EE places I've been in. But most people will be ok with you, just keep your head on your shoulders, be safe!

It's safer than St. P and parts of Russia from what i hear, my friend got surrounded by 15 skinheads in St. P recently almost got beaten to a pulp but narrowly escaped. There's alot of stuff in the news about skinheads targetting minorities with a view to kill, so don't do anything stupid.

I was always with friends on this trip so was ok, in the times I was alone, I was also ok, I know how to carry myself and never look like a lost tourist. This is not your standard western civilised society, things work different out here from how to fuck girls (paid or for free) to doing business and bribing people. A police tried to arrest me towards the end of the trip, he was drunk, when the bouncer told him who I was and who I knew he instantly wanted to be my friend, gave me his phone number and email offering me protection. So there you go that's how it's done there.

So the basic is: in general yes you will be fine, and don't worry about it. Make friends, try not to be alone late at night. Kiev is not too bad. Be careful outside the centre. Partly it's not race or because of being asian, but the main reason is you are clearly a tourist and don't blend in, someone there to fuck their women, alot of the guys don't like that (they treat foreign white guys the same if you are clearly a tourist) and when they can't express that anger and frustration in non-violent ways they have to find a way to act out. But don't be afraid. Be smart, be brave, be confident!

TIP: store number of your embassy in your phone before you go. This will help alot. NEVER hand your passport over to police, hold it and SHOW them the pic, if they threaten you say you will call the embassy, pick your phone up and be ready to DIAL. Try to avoid paying the 200 grivna fee if you can, the fucking scam fucks. I never had this happen to me while there, but I think I was lucky as even locals have been scammed by the dirty cops.

3. Someone asked me about GIA - I never used GIA but there are ALOT better looking women out of that stupid agency. RP is worth a trip, if you can spend $200-$300 on a girl. I would never pay more than $150 from now on. I think like most EE countries, apartments are ultimately the way to go, but it's a matter of hit and miss, trying your luck. And don't be stupid. Don't blow your money on girls expecting something in return. I had these 2 girls who got my number through 2 layers of people and I was pissed off they expected I buy them drinks, they were not fuck material in my book and while it was only $10, the stupid *****s needed a slap in the face. But that's the way it is out there.

There are girls that line up for free sushi, drinks and all that shit and we watch them blow guys off right after, a queue and all. Girls there really aren't stupid, in fact there are alot of VERY smart women.

One question I got was whether 9/10 girls in clubs that are friendly are mostly pros/semipros... depends on your definition. The way things work there is VERY different, so I would say almost all girls are 'semi-pros' in that they want something in return, not like in the western world where some good banter can get you laid. It's a different game, and mentality is different. Girls there all want something - some want money, some want relationship, others for love, but most are also pretty ready for a good ass pounding if you are the right guy, they are all women after all!!!

Hope this helps.

BTW I would love to talk to some people who are doing business out in Kiev btw, as I'm interested to look into this myself, and would love to network. Get in touch...!

[Reiner Otto]

Hi,

Will be in Kyiv next week on vacation, had a good read through this thread which has been very helpful cheers. If anyone is around for a drink PM me as I'm on my own! Also it seems that I really need to brush up on a bit of Russian to strike up a conversation with most girls does it? My Russian is virtually nothing so guess I need to learn some basics?

PM only possible, in case you register here.

Will pass thru Kiev on 3-Sept, on my trip to Nikolaev.
I arrrive in Borispol about 17:00, so I will have some time before catching my train.
We could have a chat/beer in the centre, if you like.
Do you have a UA-mobile number ?

Cheers,

Reiner (German)

[Mark1978]

Hi,

Will be in Kyiv next week on vacation, had a good read through this thread which has been very helpful cheers. If anyone is around for a drink PM me as I'm on my own! Also it seems that I really need to brush up on a bit of Russian to strike up a conversation with most girls does it? My Russian is virtually nothing so guess I need to learn some basics?

[Bimbo Boy]

Cause he posted in 3 different threads at same time, so she is russian in russian and belarussian thread and ukranian here....ok for sure she understands russki izik LOL

Well, the story is that I am speaking with half a dozen different girls, all russian speaking, and I haven't chosen yet. And, yes, a few are Russian, some others are Ukrainian, and one is Belarussian.
I was wondering if they could have different reactions, because of the different cultures.
LOL

[Eros74]

...Why not just meet here in Ukraine?....

Cause he posted in 3 different threads at same time, so she is russian in russian and belarussian thread and ukranian here....ok for sure she understands russki izik LOL

[Himself]

Hello all,

Please, I request your advice.

I have been exchanging emails and photos with a nice Ukrainian girl. We have agreed to meet for the first time on a trip to Turkey for a few days, and of course, she expects me to pay for everything.

I do not mind paying, but I do not want to be taken advantage of. For example if I pay everything for her, but then she refuses to have sex.

I have been thinking things such as sending her just a one way ticket, keeping her return ticket for myself, if she is not cooperative.

What do you recommend?

Thanks for your advice. Regards. B.B.

Simply tell her - no sex = no honey (in a nice way of course)

By the way e-ticket or not she will have to show a return ticket to get the visa on arrival in the airport in Istanbul....

[Uke Boy]

[QUOTE=I request your advice.

I have been exchanging emails and photos with a nice Ukrainian girl. We have agreed to meet for the first time on a trip to Turkey for a few days, and of course, she expects me to pay for everything.

I do not mind paying, but I do not want to be taken advantage of. For example if I pay everything for her, but then she refuses to have sex.

I have been thinking things such as sending her just a one way ticket, keeping her return ticket for myself, if she is not cooperative.

What do you recommend?[/QUOTE]
BB,

Why not just meet here in Ukraine? If she is from the provinces, a trip to Kiev would be a treat for her and a lot cheaper for you than Turkey. That way if there is no sex, you can put her on the next train back home for a lot less money.

If you are determined to meet her in Turkey, like anything else, no guarantees about her having sex with you. Most tickets are now e-tickets so I do not see how you can keep the return off the e-ticket and if you sent her a one-way ticket that would also be a sign of bad faith on your part. Not a good way to signal your intentions. Also some immigration officers do ask to see a return ticket before allowing someone into the country so you may have no sex at all if that happens. That is not a good idea.

If it is Turkey you decide on, it is a risk you take unless you ask her or tell her outright that sex is part of the price she will have to pay. Otherwise, consider a trip to Ukraine.

[LifeSavour]

Please understand this:

1) If they come to your apartment they KNOW it is SEX!

2) FOR sure if they go on a trip... IT IS 'manoga' sex!

You are doing ok!

[Bimbo Boy]

Hello all,

Please, I request your advice.

I have been exchanging emails and photos with a nice Ukrainian girl. We have agreed to meet for the first time on a trip to Turkey for a few days, and of course, she expects me to pay for everything.

I do not mind paying, but I do not want to be taken advantage of. For example if I pay everything for her, but then she refuses to have sex.

I have been thinking things such as sending her just a one way ticket, keeping her return ticket for myself, if she is not cooperative.

What do you recommend?

Thanks for your advice. Regards. B.B.

[CityHunter77]

You should have no problems with racism, it is quite a safe place.

I've just come back this week.

I thought I already posted this but I guess I pressed the wrong button?

Anyways, I'll be traveling to Kiev in mid-late September for a few days specifically to do some mongering.

I was just wondering, since I'm of Asian descent (but born in North America) - do you guys know if I'll be treated differently - significantly? As in - violence, outright racism or just being treated badly?

Thanks guys!

[Deemul]

I thought I already posted this but I guess I pressed the wrong button?

Anyways, I'll be traveling to Kiev in mid-late September for a few days specifically to do some mongering.

I was just wondering, since I'm of Asian descent (but born in North America) - do you guys know if I'll be treated differently - significantly? As in - violence, outright racism or just being treated badly?

Thanks guys!

Hi Dissey,

I was in Kiev early this year and I'm an australian with asian descent and I wasn't treated differently at all. They were all nice to me. My personal guide told me that they have no problems at all with Asian race; not sure whether she was telling me the truth or not.

From what I have learnt, it doesn't matter what race you are, as long as you have a very thick wallet. Then everything will be ok. LOL