Kyiv

[Robert1110]

Guys, keep prices down, otherwise we all have to go to Thailand!

I know a working girl in kiev who is great at sex, just a perfect sex partner.

Some of these rich guys like her so much, they pay her anywhere from 2 to 5 times what she asks, be it for an hour, a day or a trip somewhere.

Where $100 would do, some of these jerks will give her $500

This does not include the things they buy for her, upon request or not.

I do not care if I was a billionaire, I would not pay more than the agreed upon rate. I would tip reasonably for services rendered.

You rich guys that show off your money by overpaying are ruining some of these woman for the rest of us.

[Jojosun]

Hello all,

A bit late maybe, but as I always do I try to make a brief report of my travels.

A) Streetwalkers:

To be found after passing the "Victory Avenue" once you past the Shevchenko blvd near the zoo.

Not too many and of varied quality and price (400-500 UAH/hour). best days on weekends around midnight. If interested just ask a taxi driver.

B) Riverpalace:

Around 200EUR/hour. Price is difficult to negociate but not time. I got two girls around 180-200 EUR for the whole night (2:00-8:00). Beautiful but with no particular sexual abilities.

C) Semi-pros:

In places like Arena or Patipa.

About 100EUR two hours. After my experience good ratio quality-service-price.

D) Salons:

Quality medium-low. Price about 500-700 UAH/hour.

E) Freebies:

Takes a lot of work and very difficult for non-residents or non russian speakers.

As I always try to be nice and civil (they are girls not just heaps of flesh) and I am not too spoiled I got two of them who did me a particular good service (in fact one finished with me free just for fun).

Conclussions:

1.- Russian remains mandatory, although the number of english-speaking girls have increased.

2.- Euro-Latin type is much in demand (specially middle class Spaniards and Northern Italians).

3.- The crisis have led many young mothers into the trade (girls here tend to marry very young).

4.- Best time for semi-pros in discos is around 3:00AM.

5.- If you are not too good looking or under forty, try directly an agency like GIA, don't play the fool. In Riverpalace I've seen Anericans disgracing their country more than Guantanamo has. This is not Tijuana, boys!

Have fun.

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Waryman,

A great report of distinction, many thanks from london, came in very handy for me, prior to my landing in kiev next week.

I concur with the idea of agreeing a total package with a ta xi driver to visit apts, agree on the return fare, price for a girl etc, I woudn't fancy looking for a taxi in some obsecure kiev suburb. In fact this suggestion is valid for many destinatione in ee and central european countries, at least you have a buddy and a guide, in the taxi driver. And I would keep his no for return visits.

Only by reading and rereading the reports on salons in kiev, I figured out that salons are the term or name given for brothels in apartments

Waryman from your insight and experience with kiev, would FS be available in erotic massage places there discreetly? , and if so how much extra would that be?

And what goes on in sauna places any FS?

[AColonizer]

Thanks for your sincere report.

I would like to deepen:

- about touchkas, did you see any young and nice ones? Did you find them along (very long) Pobedy Prospect or after that (very far from the centre)?

- about prices, never, never, never pay in euros! This is another way to increase prices: from 100 grivnas to 100 dollars and then to 100 euros, that's a difference!

- overnight time is traditionally from 10 p.m. to 8 a.m., that means 10 hours. Less than 10 hours is not "night";

- in all "dating" clubs I always ask for a specific service, the swallow deepthroat blowjob; when a girl agrees then I ask for the price; and then, again, in my (not her!) flat I have always to check she makes good sex because it is usual girls try every kind of tricks and cheats not to commit our agreement;

- about prices, those prices are very high! Where is the "crisis"??? Here somebody payed 150 euros for a whole day, most men pay 100/200 dollars for an hour, but that rate is similar, sometimes lower sometimes higher, than Western Europe!

Guys, keep prices down, otherwise we all have to go to Thailand!

Hello all,

A bit late maybe, but as I always do I try to make a brief report of my travels.

A) Streetwalkers:

To be found after passing the "Victory Avenue" once you past the Shevchenko blvd near the zoo.

Not too many and of varied quality and price (400-500 UAH/hour). best days on weekends around midnight. If interested just ask a taxi driver.

B) Riverpalace:

Around 200EUR/hour. Price is difficult to negociate but not time. I got two girls around 180-200 EUR for the whole night (2:00-8:00). Beautiful but with no particular sexual abilities.

C) Semi-pros:

In places like Arena or Patipa.

About 100EUR two hours. After my experience good ratio quality-service-price.

D) Salons:

Quality medium-low. Price about 500-700 UAH/hour.

E) Freebies:

Takes a lot of work and very difficult for non-residents or non russian speakers.

As I always try to be nice and civil (they are girls not just heaps of flesh) and I am not too spoiled I got two of them who did me a particular good service (in fact one finished with me free just for fun).

Conclussions:

1.- Russian remains mandatory, although the number of english-speaking girls have increased.

2.- Euro-Latin type is much in demand (specially middle class Spaniards and Northern Italians).

3.- The crisis have led many young mothers into the trade (girls here tend to marry very young).

4.- Best time for semi-pros in discos is around 3:00AM.

5.- If you are not too good looking or under forty, try directly an agency like GIA, don't play the fool. In Riverpalace I've seen Anericans disgracing their country more than Guantanamo has. This is not Tijuana, boys!

Have fun.

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[Waryman]

Hello,

CIM was offered in brothels speaking directly to the girl once alone. Ask in Russian <<I want to finish in mouth. How much Easy to get from a translator if you don't speak Russian. Not all offered the possibility but one in two/three. As told, I prefer not too known brothels. As people over there have a limited if any knowledge of english, enough Russian to ask for things or to sustain a simple phone call is a serious advantage (it really saved my life in Russia).

They were not far from khreshatik. I found them asking to cab drivers or to a casino waiter. Regarding cab drivers is useful to tell him to arrange a full-pack. That is calling the brothel, fixing a price and the taxi fare. So you know in advance which is the total cost. If not he will drive you for the whole night through Kiev.

Considering serious or semi serious relationships: After my experience not a little amount of educated girls (university graduates, secretaries et. Al) are quite open to leave for the western world (machismo regarding female work, idealizing the west, divorce.). As I work in a managerial position I did not have much trouble in playing my part in the wooing (I repeat: They are educated girls who have a notion of the real world, they are not fooled easily).

As in any other situation back home, this is taking chances. I don't say that any girl I accosted fell in my arms valentino style. Of course clean looks and an attiring country play their part. And also a certain age range. I really don't think a 46 y. O hardware-shop clerk from Hoboken. Or Tessaloniki for american readers- stands much chances of getting a 22 yo. Wannabe model.

As where are the brothels-girls now I don't know. That was what I was asking for in my first mail!

Regards

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Hello all,

A bit late maybe, but as I always do I try to make a brief report of my travels.

A) Streetwalkers:

To be found after passing the "Victory Avenue" once you past the Shevchenko blvd near the zoo.

Not too many and of varied quality and price (400-500 UAH/hour). best days on weekends around midnight. If interested just ask a taxi driver.

B) Riverpalace:

Around 200EUR/hour. Price is difficult to negociate but not time. I got two girls around 180-200 EUR for the whole night (2:00-8:00). Beautiful but with no particular sexual abilities.

C) Semi-pros:

In places like Arena or Patipa.

About 100EUR two hours. After my experience good ratio quality-service-price.

D) Salons:

Quality medium-low. Price about 500-700 UAH/hour.

E) Freebies:

Takes a lot of work and very difficult for non-residents or non russian speakers.

As I always try to be nice and civil (they are girls not just heaps of flesh) and I am not too spoiled I got two of them who did me a particular good service (in fact one finished with me free just for fun).

Conclussions:

1.- Russian remains mandatory, although the number of english-speaking girls have increased.

2.- Euro-Latin type is much in demand (specially middle class Spaniards and Northern Italians).

3.- The crisis have led many young mothers into the trade (girls here tend to marry very young).

4.- Best time for semi-pros in discos is around 3:00AM.

5.- If you are not too good looking or under forty, try directly an agency like GIA, don't play the fool. In Riverpalace I've seen Anericans disgracing their country more than Guantanamo has. This is not Tijuana, boys!

Have fun.

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[Sponsor74]

Very interesting issue Sponsor74 !

I share my experience: 2 friends married with czech women, 1 divorced, 1 still happy together.
Other 3 friends married with slovak girls: they are all together, but only one happy, the others 2 just live together.

So 5 marriage with ex ceskoslovensko country and only 1 happy.

BUT all and I mean really ALL, married not only family, but also wife's grandmother,grandfather....

I am the happiest one, as I go often, I get fun, some relationship, but never thought about marriage. I got much more than all these 5 friends together with much less effort, energy, money...

That's why I will marry only with myself

Curious about the experiences the others have to share

In Switzerland (Swiss & Swiss) from 3 marriages 2 divorced and 1 in a deep crisis; Swiss & Foreigners the rate is not too bad like Swiss & Swiss but Russian & Ukraine women have here a very bad reputation mainly due to our ugly and old Swiss women (of course there are exceptions) but the positive side is the bank account of the women here and this is not the case with desperates women from Russia and Ukraine; anyway in my opinion maybe a good chance BUT not necessary to get married, why? the risk is too big

[Eros74]

Very interesting issue Sponsor74 !

I share my experience: 2 friends married with czech women, 1 divorced, 1 still happy together.
Other 3 friends married with slovak girls: they are all together, but only one happy, the others 2 just live together.

So 5 marriage with ex ceskoslovensko country and only 1 happy.

BUT all and I mean really ALL, married not only family, but also wife's grandmother,grandfather....

I am the happiest one, as I go often, I get fun, some relationship, but never thought about marriage. I got much more than all these 5 friends together with much less effort, energy, money...

That's why I will marry only with myself

Curious about the experiences the others have to share

[Sponsor74]

Russian and Ukrainian women are both beautiful in their own right, with many (including many Russians) saying that Ukrainian women are the most beautiful of all.

Other than that, in my experience Russian women are more intelligent, cultured, cosmopolitan, sexual, honest, realistic and much more clever than their Ukrainian cousins.

I've said it before... all Slavic women are good at being manipulative in their own wiley feminine way, however Russian girls are clever and cunning whereas Ukrainian girls are sneaky and conniving.

Not that I don't like Ukrainian girls, but Russian girls are better overall in my opinion.

Essentially all Ukrainian girls are village girls with village qualities, but with village tastes and village attitudes. They are manipulative as hell, but can be manipulated as well. Nonetheless, the game grows tiresome.Obviously I disagree... but maybe we've just been meeting different kinds of women. My experiences in Russia are based mostly on Moscow and St.Petersburg women, whereas in Ukraine on Kiev and Odessa.

Doctor, I really appreciate your opinion and seems to be based or real experiences. What can you recommend in “export “ a woman from these countries which one has better chance to be integrated in a different country? maybe for a 3 months period or maybe longer? Thai women and Latinas are very difficult because you marriage the “family"; is the same with Russian and Ukraine and the integration in a different country easy? e.g. language, food, weather, earn money etc

[Jake993]

Seconded at 100%.
I'd add witty to the list. Try to make humor with an ukrainian (or moldovian for that matter) girl and she'll -often- just look at you like you're from Mars.

Ukrainian women don't have a sense of humor. Just ask my grandmother.

[Reiner Otto]

Has anybody expirience with a girl from dosug.cz, Kiev ?
Are the photos for real, and the prices, they write in the ads, are they realistic ?

Will fly into Kiev soon, and will have time for some short break before catching my train to Nikolaev :-)

[Prosal]

Other than that, in my experience Russian women are more intelligent, cultured, cosmopolitan, sexual, honest, realistic and much more clever than their Ukrainian cousins.

Seconded at 100%.

I'd add witty to the list. Try to make humor with an ukrainian (or moldovian for that matter) girl and she'll -often- just look at you like you're from Mars.

russian woman are even worse than ukrainians when it comes to find a man which can support them.

None of my russian GFs had materialistic expectations, and with them the key to success was personality and cultural knowledge/awareness and not wallet.

If the russians girls you've met were solely interested on material things, it's maybe because you are yourself seriously lacking something in the personal department.

[Explorer69]

....... however Russian girls are clever and cunning whereas Ukrainian girls are sneaky and conniving.

Maybe you can explain a little bit more in details excactly what you mean - and maybe even give examples? Your view is interesting!

[Doctor_Skank]

but i think you're asking the wrong question. it isn't about whether a russian woman or a ukraine woman can offer you more, but what you can offer them in terms of value in order to GET access to the divinity. russian women tend to have MORE money (IMO, at least in my limited experience) because most aren't just smart but hold jobs unlike ukrainian women, alot of whom rely on MEN to provide them the finances in exchange for sexual favours.

Russian and Ukrainian women are both beautiful in their own right, with many (including many Russians) saying that Ukrainian women are the most beautiful of all.

Other than that, in my experience Russian women are more intelligent, cultured, cosmopolitan, sexual, honest, realistic and much more clever than their Ukrainian cousins.

I've said it before... all Slavic women are good at being manipulative in their own wiley feminine way, however Russian girls are clever and cunning whereas Ukrainian girls are sneaky and conniving.

Not that I don't like Ukrainian girls, but Russian girls are better overall in my opinion.

Essentially all Ukrainian girls are village girls with village qualities, but with village tastes and village attitudes. They are manipulative as hell, but can be manipulated as well. Nonetheless, the game grows tiresome.

You have right, your experience with this must be limited. The truth is that russians are the most lazy people existing, russian woman are even worse than ukrainians when it comes to find a man which can support them.

Obviously I disagree... but maybe we've just been meeting different kinds of women. My experiences in Russia are based mostly on Moscow and St.Petersburg women, whereas in Ukraine on Kiev and Odessa.

[Borat69]

You have right, your experience with this must be limited. The truth is that russians are the most lazy people existing, russian woman are even worse than ukrainians when it comes to find a man which can support them. I have lived in several countries with big russian minorities, and it never goes wrong. You have probably met russian girls on holliday, they may open their purse (and surely their pussies), but russians on travel means russians with money, that may explain your experience.

Hrchrister, hence I quote in the opening statement, "a russian girl on holiday". Twice.

So essentially you have misread my initial hypothesis and you are misquoting me in a redundant counter argument.

[Hrchrister]

in ukraine most girls seem to want to have a guy buy shit do shit for them take them out eat expensive shit drink long island ice teas if they don't have expensive tastes. you are expected to pay for everything if you are wining/dining a girl, not like back home where girls buy me shit. what i find is russian girls are not the same way. many open their purses and don't expect a guy to pay for everything.

You have right, your experience with this must be limited. The truth is that russians are the most lazy people existing, russian woman are even worse than ukrainians when it comes to find a man which can support them. I have lived in several countries with big russian minorities, and it never goes wrong. You have probably met russian girls on holliday, they may open their purse (and surely their pussies), but russians on travel means russians with money, that may explain your experience.

[Borat69]

I have this option and interesting from me because for Russia I need a visuma dn this is not the case in Ukraine. I only wonder if a Russian woman can offer me more than a local Ukraine woman? are they more desperates for some extra money? are they better in sex? Maybe Kiev is a chance to combine and choose between Russian and Ukraine? any experiences from other members in this topic? positive or negative?

a russian girl on holiday in ukraine is up for FUCKING. just as a russian girl on holiday anywhere else in the world or vice versa. we met a moscow girl during our trip who bought us shots, and was up for a spit roast (or 4some with her friend), but one of their friends was a complete cockblock (they kept trying to tell her to fuck off and leave but she was persistent as fuck). she was ukranian.

but i think you're asking the wrong question. it isn't about whether a russian woman or a ukraine woman can offer you more, but what you can offer them in terms of value in order to GET access to the divinity. russian women tend to have MORE money (IMO, at least in my limited experience) because most aren't just smart but hold jobs unlike ukrainian women, alot of whom rely on MEN to provide them the finances in exchange for sexual favours.

in fact the mentality in ukraine just makes me want to abuse the system by using the women there purely for sex. having said that yes there are smart clever ukraine girls that hold jobs but i'm talking about the mentality here, in ukraine most girls seem to want to have a guy buy shit do shit for them take them out eat expensive shit drink long island ice teas if they don't have expensive tastes. you are expected to pay for everything if you are wining/dining a girl, not like back home where girls buy me shit. what i find is russian girls are not the same way. many open their purses and don't expect a guy to pay for everything.

i guess that can be good or bad depending what you're after, if you have money to blow and waste then ukranian women are probably good to do that on. but IMO the price of EE pussy is never valued over $50-$75 / hr (even for a 9), and i don't care whether the economy goes up or down, the quality of girls are pretty constant.

question you have to ask (1) am i after just the PROS in which case Ukraine has alot to offer, so does Russia, and quesiton comes down to where has better looking pros, easier /safer access, cheaper overall - i'm sure someone can enlighten on this (2) am i looking for more ie love, relationship etc a girl to like me for me- in which case venturing outside Kiev is not so bad an idea.