Kyiv

[Jojosun]

Kiev is now a dirtier place. I arrived Friday on a delayed flight which pretty much ruined the day. An average girl I had contacted on VK was willing to come over. She was nice and told me that I was lucky she had come over because she had a need for something, otherwise she would not come over. Thought to myself that's exactly how Ukrainians work. They will do something if they have the need..

Thanks Rina for your report. When there is less control by central government and corruption on a larger scale sets in that's the ugly face one notices in Kiev.

Minsk is still of the cleanest cities I've been to.

[Riina]

Kiev is now a dirtier place. I arrived Friday on a delayed flight which pretty much ruined the day. An average girl I had contacted on VK was willing to come over. She was nice and told me that I was lucky she had come over because she had a need for something, otherwise she would not come over. Thought to myself that's exactly how Ukrainians work. They will do something if they have the need.

Saturday night went to DLux. This place completely lost its vibrancy. If you were there, you may have noticed the two skanky sisters high on ecstasy. The one with the red dress literally DFK'd 4 or 5 guys on the dance floor. Not to mention all the crotches she squeezed. The other sister was not so high and we had met entering the club. When the bouncer noticed her, she was taken out of the club and we all left. We took a taxi to my place and in the middle of the road, we pass a young hottie walking like a zombie in the middle of a very busy road. Thinking to myself theirs a drug problem here. The sisters are at my apartment and I'm feeling scared. The one in red dress isn't really conscious. I'm worried she's going to puke or who knows what. She past out on my couch and didn't wake until early morning. Me and the other sister had fun in the bedroom throughout the night. I think it qualifies as my first freebie in Kiev but I gave them a hundred bucks when they left.

Sunday I felt like shit. Didn't sleep at all the night before. My plan was to check out Lounge 69 (aka Vodka Bar) but I crashed out and never made it. Anybody know if still the same culture of customers?

Monday I was feeling really fantastic. Noticed Gia posted a brand new girl that day. She was a beautiful girl but obviously a pro. We literally fucked for 45 minutes straight in a truly intense session. She was a real rock star and worth every penny. The thing about Gia is they are a very reputable agency and I do recommend if you don't have other options. They do fib on the girls ages. If they say twenty, it's probably later twenties. Almost all the girls blow without condom and it's hard to believe they can find that many 19 and 20 year olds sucking dick without cover. At the money they charge, it's not really a viable mongering option for me. The second or third girl, I doubt I would be so lucky.

Tuesday, I started working Mamba. It's truly great if you want to nail hags. The young semipros have all disappeared. I have a session scheduled today but might cancel. When you get over thirty in Ukraine, we a talking about dealing with some really vile twat. I don't think it's worth the risk. If I'm in the mood, I'l let this girl come over. So Tuesday night I was feeling pretty horny. I walked myself over to the place across from Dominoes Pizza that Barba had mentioned. You need an access code to enter which I did not have. Decided to go home and luckily a guy hands me a card at the corner. It was for the apartment and the guy walked me up. I'm looking at this dude in the elevator and I can see it in his eyes that he's a druggy. The apartment is nice with average girls. I picked one for 1100 and had just a terrible session. The girl tried to buzzkill me at every turn. The girls were very friendly and I think I just picked a bad one. I asked them for their number but they insisted I call the guy. If you can manage to get yourself into the building, walk to the top floor. About ten feet to the left of the staircase, is the door to knock on. But they may not allow you in by yourself.

Tonight I'm going to hit some nightclubs and maybe bang a hag this afternoon.

[Bimbo Boy]

Yes that would appear to make sense. But what causes the difference in economic development? Apart from natural resources, Russia also produces much more than Ukraine.
So I'd say at least partly the differences in economic development is caused by the character difference of the people.

No, the people are the same. The difference is leadership. Putin has re-established a soviet style hierarchy (the "vertical of power" and mafias and corruption are more or less under control, which unfortunately is not the case in Ukraine. Recentely Poroshenko named one of his friends as Attorney General and the guy has no legal training nor experience. He does not even have a higher education! As he did not fit the legal requirements for being Attorney General, the parliament quickly amended the law a couple of hours before he was sworn in. What a joke.

[Riina]

I would say only 10%-20% Ukrainian women would date a visible foreigner aka non- white although there are some groupies out there if you get lucky.

If the guy was built good looking with muscles it might increase to 50% but it would take a special circumstances to get a top shelf 8 or 9 to give up the money from a local.

I'm talking about fantasies and not dating. I've met enough Ukrainians now that will say yuck to black guys instinctively but told me privately that they would like to suck a black dick. Of course, behind closed doors.

[YellowPaul]

Really? I thought most women in Kiev are extremely racist.

I would say only 10%-20% Ukrainian women would date a visible foreigner aka non- white although there are some groupies out there if you get lucky.

If the guy was built good looking with muscles it might increase to 50% but it would take a special circumstances to get a top shelf 8 or 9 to give up the money from a local.

[How14]

Really? I thought most women in Kiev are extremely racist.

So, you recon every girl in Kiev would have a black mans cock in there mouths do you? I very much doubt that, and by the sound of it, it seems you might be gay yourself, so better check that out, going on about muscles and tight t shirts.

[Member #4722]

I saw a very good looking black guy walk out of the K Street McD today, almost for sure US military. He had a tight white t shirt showing off all his muscles. We glimpsed at each other knowing we were both Americans. I wanted to tell him that it was every girls fantasy on this street to have his cock in their mouth. But he probably knew that and I kept it to myself.

Really? I thought most women in Kiev are extremely racist.

[Riina]

I saw a very good looking black guy walk out of the K Street McD today, almost for sure US military. He had a tight white t shirt showing off all his muscles. We glimpsed at each other knowing we were both Americans. I wanted to tell him that it was every girls fantasy on this street to have his cock in their mouth. But he probably knew that and I kept it to myself.

[Bimbo Boy]

Yes that would appear to make sense. But what causes the difference in economic development? Apart from natural resources, Russia also produces much more than Ukraine.
So I'd say at least partly the differences in economic development is caused by the character difference of the people.

A former girlfriend of mine (a beautiful Russian businesswoman in her 40's) once told me: "Ukrainian woman make great lovers, wives and mothers, but they would not hesitate a minute in fucking your chauffeur!

Of course this is pure jealousy.

I have lived a year in Moscow and 4 years in Kiev. I see nearly no difference between Ukrainian and Russian girls. It is the same former soviet mentality.

[Straun]

So. Seeing all sorts of girls with "viber and WhatsApp" on their profiles. Is that their way of letting you verify their appearance before they come over? Or if you ask for.

More photos and etc you're still talking to some agency who is sending you fakes? Just seems strange they'd include that kind of program link if they weren't willing to show you.

Perhaps video of girl or anything.

[Jonathan Pine]

...As for the character differences between Russian and Ukrainian girls, I respectfully suggest that the difference has more to do with economic circumstances than genetics....

Yes that would appear to make sense. But what causes the difference in economic development? Apart from natural resources, Russia also produces much more than Ukraine.

So I'd say at least partly the differences in economic development is caused by the character difference of the people.

[Vaape Camhel]

It is simple. You are confusing Russian and Soviet! Many soviet great artists and scientists were from Ukraine, but you count them as Russians. For example the composer Prokofiev was from Donetsk region, Sviatoslav Richter the pianist, the writer Isaac Babel, Bulgakov, Joseph Conrad, Gogol. Politicians like Brezhnev, Krushchev, plus a huge list of chess and sports champions.Regards.

You are correct. We can continue the list for ages but I don't think Golda Meier, Konstanin Chernenko, Leo Trotsky can compete with our real subject. Everyone has their own impression of people in each nation. I haven't been in Ukraine yet, but I've been chatting with numerous Mamba girls to have at least dinner dates. If I can't find mamba-pussy there are lot of back-up plans as I read here at ISG. To cut the chase I haven't seen much differences between Russians and Ukrainians online. It's almost impossible to get more than 2-3 words back. But I had good luck before online, so I keep up trying. And call Gia later.

[Jake993]

It is simple. You are confusing Russian and Soviet! Many soviet great artists and scientists were from Ukraine, but you count them as Russians. For example the composer Prokofiev was from Donetsk region, Sviatoslav Richter the pianist, the writer Isaac Babel, Bulgakov, Joseph Conrad, Gogol. Politicians like Brezhnev, Krushchev, plus a huge list of chess and sports champions.

Regards.

Clearly this is a complex topic that could go on and on an on in argument. While a lot of Soviet leaders (be they political, cultural or scientific) were from Ukraine, many were not ethnic Ukrainian at all. Conversely, there are many modern famous Russians who have family names that are ethic Ukrainian. And just because a Russian has a Ukrainian last name, it does not necessarily mean that he has ever been to Ukraine, can speak a word of Ukrainian (that's not already common to Russian), has any relatives in Ukraine or considers himself remotely Ukrainian. Conversely, it's not unthinkable to find a guy from Lviv (Lvov) in the far West of Ukraine (Stephan Bandera country) who has a Russian name and whose family has been in the there for 4 or more generations and considers himself a Ukrainian patriot.

The Soviet experiment was a strange mixing bowl. Within the former Soviet Union there were more than 185 different identifiable ethic groups. The geographical and genetic cross pollination that occurred over 80 years has blurred the lines between the groups of which the line between Russians and Ukrainians is only one. (Look up the bio of Sergei Lavrov, the Russian foreign minister, and you will see that he is ethnic Armenian).

As for the character differences between Russian and Ukrainian girls, I respectfully suggest that the difference has more to do with economic circumstances than genetics. I know a girl from Kharov (Kharkiv) who was born during Soviet times into a family who consider themselves ethnic Russians. However, she has a Ukrainian passport and never really gave the fact much thought. However, after the annexation of Crimea by Russia, she became fervently pro-Ukrainian and vocally anti Russian, anti-Putin. Much to the horror of her family who still consider themselves Russians.

Come to think of it, the situation is probably not a whole lot different than it is in England and Scotland. Just give it a few more years.

[Bimbo Boy]

Thought about this myself and was searching for opinions from you guys but couldn't find replies. So I thought I'd give my two kopeks.
And it's not only the differences that Prosal mentioned, there have been huge differences in achievements in literature, classical music, science and technology, etc. The list is endless.
Theoretically that Ukraine, being 1/3 the size of Russia in terms of population, should have produced 1/3 of the classical music composers, writers, scientists of those of Russia. But almost all the famous artists, writers, pianists. Come from Russia. Almost none from Ukraine.
How can this be?

It is simple. You are confusing Russian and Soviet! Many soviet great artists and scientists were from Ukraine, but you count them as Russians. For example the composer Prokofiev was from Donetsk region, Sviatoslav Richter the pianist, the writer Isaac Babel, Bulgakov, Joseph Conrad, Gogol. Politicians like Brezhnev, Krushchev, plus a huge list of chess and sports champions.

Regards.

[Jonathan Pine]

There has been a discussion on this subject before, and some of us agreed (and some disagreeed) that Russian women and Ukrainian women were very different. Personaly, I find Russian women are more clever, cultured, intelligent and cosmopolitan than their Ukrainian cousins. And more emotional, much more emotional. More honest and loyal also, contrarily to Ukrainians who are rather calculating and sneaky. That said, this is subjective views, based on personal experiences. It sounds effectively strange that ethnically identical girls would be so different. Why would a girl living in Harkov be different of a girl living in Belgorod, that is only 50 miles away? I'd be curious to hear others opinions.

Thought about this myself and was searching for opinions from you guys but couldn't find replies. So I thought I'd give my two kopeks.

And it's not only the differences that Prosal mentioned, there have been huge differences in achievements in literature, classical music, science and technology, etc. The list is endless.

Theoretically that Ukraine, being 1/3 the size of Russia in terms of population, should have produced 1/3 of the classical music composers, writers, scientists of those of Russia. But almost all the famous artists, writers, pianists. Come from Russia. Almost none from Ukraine.

How can this be? Well, one simply can't understand Russia by logic. Same goes for in hobbying in Russia. One simply never knows what might happen next.

And if I may use only a single word to explain the difference between Russians and Ukrainians, it would be "soul". Russians have a soul, Ukrainians, I prefer not not to make a comment. No, I don't work for Putin but yeah I'd jump on the first chance to offer my humble service to the great motherland. Mr. Putin, are you reading this board by any chance? LOL.

There is a famous poem in 19th century written by Fiodor Tyuchev which almost all Russians learn in school. It goes like this.

"Russia cannot be understood with the mind alone.

No ordinary yardstick can span her greatness:

She stands alone, unique.

In Russia, one can only believe."

I thought this poem perfectly captures Russian soul. Yes, there are always ups and downs, actually more like roller coaster rides when one hobbies in Russia, but one can only believe in Russia.

This is a board about pussies, but Russia is unique. Russia stands alone. And Russia can't be understood by the mind alone. One must only believe in Russia. Sorry for getting so philosophical in a sex board.