Kyiv

[GDreams]

This is another thing I don't understand. I have lived in a city with population less than 500,000 in Ukraine for cumulatively over a year and thought that the Ukrainian people are so nice and nicer than people in 4 countries where I have lived more than 2 years each (mostly in advanced countries). Who and where are these corrupted people in Ukraine?

I have never experienced corruption in this city, and my neighbors, including girls, were very friendly, even though I hardly speak Russian or Ukrainian.

My ex wife was Ukrainian. If you you want a drivers license you pay bribe. Good grades in uni, pay bribe. Because you are not seeing the corruption does not mean it does not exist.

[SfoCowboy]

Vaccination for frontline workers started in India last month. A few million already vaccinated. People over 50 years will start getting vaccine shot next month onwards. Every week that passed by reported a new low of cases. I guess people got herd immunity.

Cheers!

Have you ever looked at the official corona statistics in Ukraine? There are fewer sick people than in the rest of Europe. For Ukraine, every country is on the red list that has more diseases than Ukraine. So almost all of Europe is red.

Officially, the crisis is therefore almost over. What the reality looks like is of course a different matter. I already know a lot of girls who were sick with Corona. Everyone continued to work during the illness. They needed the money.

Of course, Ukraine has a vaccination schedule. We even buy vaccine. But in India. Where it's cheap. The vaccinations should start this month.

Otherwise, there will probably be exactly the same solution for vaccination cards as for many corona tests. You buy the result. You can already buy a package tour from a travel agency today. Negative Covid test included.

[Sorbonne]

Corruption and scams are absolutely rampant in Ukraine. Everywhere from the lowest in society up the the richest and most powerful.

This is another thing I don't understand. I have lived in a city with population less than 500,000 in Ukraine for cumulatively over a year and thought that the Ukrainian people are so nice and nicer than people in 4 countries where I have lived more than 2 years each (mostly in advanced countries). Who and where are these corrupted people in Ukraine?

I have never experienced corruption in this city, and my neighbors, including girls, were very friendly, even though I hardly speak Russian or Ukrainian.

[Sorbonne]

Have you ever looked at the official corona statistics in Ukraine? There are fewer sick people than in the rest of Europe. For Ukraine, every country is on the red list that has more diseases than Ukraine. So almost all of Europe is red.

Officially, the crisis is therefore almost over. What the reality looks like is of course a different matter. I already know a lot of girls who were sick with Corona. Everyone continued to work during the illness. They needed the money.

Of course, Ukraine has a vaccination schedule. We even buy vaccine. But in India. Where it's cheap. The vaccinations should start this month.

Otherwise, there will probably be exactly the same solution for vaccination cards as for many corona tests. You buy the result. You can already buy a package tour from a travel agency today. Negative Covid test included.

Well, some EU countries are still in Green, including the country where I am.

I also believe in Pfizer and Moderna vaccines only, so if AstraZeneca vaccine comes around, I'm not sure what to do.

[Misterxxx]

This kind of behavior, in which clubs operates under the raider, makes me be wary and weary of Ukraine. This contributes to prolong the pandemic and push back the economic recovery.
In this regard I think Dramafree is correct to not like Ukraine.
Does Ukraine have any vaccination plan at all at this point? That is the only way out of this crisis. It sounds like Ukraine has long way to recover, which should make Yummy PL happy, LOL.

Have you ever looked at the official corona statistics in Ukraine? There are fewer sick people than in the rest of Europe. For Ukraine, every country is on the red list that has more diseases than Ukraine. So almost all of Europe is red.

Officially, the crisis is therefore almost over. What the reality looks like is of course a different matter. I already know a lot of girls who were sick with Corona. Everyone continued to work during the illness. They needed the money.

Of course, Ukraine has a vaccination schedule. We even buy vaccine. But in India. Where it's cheap. The vaccinations should start this month.

Otherwise, there will probably be exactly the same solution for vaccination cards as for many corona tests. You buy the result. You can already buy a package tour from a travel agency today. Negative Covid test included.

[YummyPL]

In this regard I think Dramafree is correct to not like Ukraine.

Corruption and scams are absolutely rampant in Ukraine. Everywhere from the lowest in society up the the richest and most powerful. But it is in this type of environment that the best P4P thrives. Once a society is cleaned up, P4P opportunities go away. Germany is a rare and mostly sterile exception, but even opportunities in Germany would not be good if there were not feeder countries where conditions are not good.

[YummyPL]

Have you had any cases where as soon as you refused to give them money upfront, they left?

It has not been a problem for me so far. In fact, I have the money in an obvious place, but all except a small few have not even mentioned the money at all. At the end I pick the money up off the table and if it is convenient I put it in their purse or pocket, or if necessary hand it to them. As far as I can remember, even of the few that asked for the money beforehand, I have only ever had one girl count the money. This is also a strong indication that most of my girls are independents.

[Sorbonne]

As I rode in previous messages, all places are open in clandestine way, they are closed from outside, but once you knock the door they open and you have party inside, I guess striclubs also.

This kind of behavior, in which clubs operates under the raider, makes me be wary and weary of Ukraine. This contributes to prolong the pandemic and push back the economic recovery.

In this regard I think Dramafree is correct to not like Ukraine.

Does Ukraine have any vaccination plan at all at this point? That is the only way out of this crisis. It sounds like Ukraine has long way to recover, which should make Yummy PL happy, LOL.

[Sorbonne]

Yes. That happens everywhere. But I have only given the girl the money beforehand maybe 3-4 times here. All the other girls I put the money on the table until the end. It cuts down somewhat on the personality changes. Of course I have had some poor service--especially kissing. But that has really been the exception and not the rule.

Have you had any cases where as soon as you refused to give them money upfront, they left?

I think once someone here, I think it was Liljoey, wrote that a girl snatched the money on the table in the middle of sex and left?

[Ringudor]

So I've read that the quarantine rules have been relaxed in the end of January, hence adaptive quarantine, orange alert level, yada yada. So they say that now bars and cafes are allowed to operate till 22:00, however, discos and entertainment places are still closed. I guess "entertainment / disco" also includes strip clubs? Does anyone currently on the ground know?).

As I rode in previous messages, all places are open in clandestine way, they are closed from outside, but once you knock the door they open and you have party inside, I guess striclubs also.

[YummyPL]

I shouldn't have said "I have wasted money on ugly girls," as I can turn down ugly girls without hesitation. But rather I have wasted money on those girls who switch personality as soon as they pocket the money, if you know what I mean.

Yes. That happens everywhere. But I have only given the girl the money beforehand maybe 3-4 times here. All the other girls I put the money on the table until the end. It cuts down somewhat on the personality changes. Of course I have had some poor service--especially kissing. But that has really been the exception and not the rule.

[RandomWalker]

So I've read that the quarantine rules have been relaxed in the end of January, hence adaptive quarantine, orange alert level, yada yada. So they say that now bars and cafes are allowed to operate till 22:00, however, discos and entertainment places are still closed. I guess "entertainment / disco" also includes strip clubs? Does anyone currently on the ground know?).

[Sorbonne]

I know your question wasn't for me, but I will make some comments.

I have certainly wasted money on girls that didn't meet my standards in the past. But I have enough time and a good enough supply of girls now that I don't hesitate to turn away girls that don't meet my standards. If they are the girl in the photo, but don't meet my standard, I give them taxi fare. If they are not the girl and are a bad bait and switch, I don't give them anything. There have been a couple of times the girls were far enough below my standard that I walked away without talking to them. But I am pretty good a spotting scams now so it rarely happens. I am up to about 40 different successful girls now, and have only turned away about 10. So 80% success rate for girls that show up to the meeting. But 80+% of online girls are crap before you even arrange a meeting, so it takes work to plow through them.

So the only thing I lose is my time. But I actually hate wasting my time. That is part of why I like to stick to my reliable girls.

I shouldn't have said "I have wasted money on ugly girls," as I can turn down ugly girls without hesitation. But rather I have wasted money on those girls who switch personality as soon as they pocket the money, if you know what I mean.

[YummyPL]

YummyPL,

It sounds like you have your system down to a science. Do you speak Ukrainian? Also, how did you find these girls. Were these through seeking??

I've been in a quandary as to whether to visit Ukraine or not. Some of my best sessions have been with Ukrainian girls so I'm curious about how things would go in their "homeland" LOL.

It may be an art, but it is far from being a science. My girls up through September were mostly on Seeking. Since then they are mostly Mamba. But a significant percentage of recent girls have been referrals.

Pretty much all Ukrainians speak Russian and I have a very basic knowledge of Russian. Not enough to win anyone's heart, but enough for necessary communication.

But Ukraine is difficult if you don't have time, have not been here before, and don't speak the language. I like the challenge almost as much as I like the girls. But it takes work to find good girls here.

If you want very young girls, I think it is a lot easier if you are under 40 or can pass for it. Unfortunately I am long past that now but I am very fit for my age. That said, I had two new and very respectable 18 year olds this week. Both of these girls could easily pull $300+ per hour in the USA and $180+ in Germany for their level of service and looks. I do significantly better than that.

[YummyPL]

I have certainly wasted some money on ugly girls in Kiev, but that is not so often and works as lesson to learn.

I know your question wasn't for me, but I will make some comments.

I have certainly wasted money on girls that didn't meet my standards in the past. But I have enough time and a good enough supply of girls now that I don't hesitate to turn away girls that don't meet my standards. If they are the girl in the photo, but don't meet my standard, I give them taxi fare. If they are not the girl and are a bad bait and switch, I don't give them anything. There have been a couple of times the girls were far enough below my standard that I walked away without talking to them. But I am pretty good a spotting scams now so it rarely happens. I am up to about 40 different successful girls now, and have only turned away about 10. So 80% success rate for girls that show up to the meeting. But 80+% of online girls are crap before you even arrange a meeting, so it takes work to plow through them.

So the only thing I lose is my time. But I actually hate wasting my time. That is part of why I like to stick to my reliable girls.