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08-13-21 15:28 #21790
Posts: 154no, but not without reason
Originally Posted by Desin [View Original Post]
i even looked at that OMG app but noticed a disturbing number of pics that matched Tinder profiles (that are fraudulent).
to be fair, Tinder "worked" in 2019 once i got the hang of how the system works over here. but like i said before the old bird ain't what she used to be, i don't think there's even a system to speak of anymore.
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08-13-21 15:05 #21789
Posts: 154Sage advice as always
Originally Posted by Kozerog [View Original Post]
I even brought my glowsticks, 3 weeks in and packages are still unopened. And sad.
Well I signed up for DJ lessons later in the week so maybe I can pick the instructor's brain and see where the scene's at (if there is one). That's part of it too, everything is closed / dried up, there's no scene here. I don't even have a point from which to build upon for the next go-'round. Everything I started from 2019 is washed out and I haven't yet found a point I can start back from again. Granted it took me a couple of weeks to get started in 2019, but here in 2021 I feel like I don't have enough time left in front of me once I find a point from which I can start to build around again.
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08-13-21 14:40 #21788
Posts: 130Shawman74, you don't use Mamba? As you are in Kiev, you could do the following:
1. Buy the subscription for a week.
2. Upload your best pictures, verify profile and write to the bio something that says you are in Kiev. I guess there should be more text, but I apparently suck with bios so I won't say more.
3. Set your parameters and use the swiping / match making. If a girl checks your profile, she will see that you are looking for younger company.
4. The trick is that on e you have paid subscription, you can access the girls profile from the swipe-app. So each time you see something you like and she has been recently online. Less than a week. You can check if she accepts messages from your age group. Then you can message her.
5. When sending a message, I used a copy-pastable line that informed that I'm in the city and I have xxx amount of money for fun per day. Some replied, some not, one "bikini blond" told that I should double that to 200. But nevertheless, I suspect that with right kind of words and pictures this approach might work as good as it could. Non-english speakers can say yes after initial 'I don't speak English' if you just say it's ok and state the compensation per hour.
These girls don't have to use calendars, so first meeting might be the hardest to arrange. The pics in Mamba are generally fakes, at least those that are searchable through the 'near you' section. The swiping thing shows a lot more girls.
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08-13-21 14:34 #21787
Posts: 242Originally Posted by ShawMan74 [View Original Post]
My own approach was run through a bunch of escorts until I found a keeper, then just see her frequently for years on end. However, given changes in Kyiv over the past few years, that might no longer be the best approach.
I know you have a music / dance interest. IMO, the most satisfying LTR for you is likely to be one that develops organically from that interest. My impression is that poor girls (majority) are going to feel resentful if they don't get money or other material benefits after sex with a foreigner who is 20+ years older. So better to deal with the money issue up front instead of trying to get free sex then waiting until the girl acts resentful. On the other hand, it gives a very bad impression if an older foreigner goes to a civilian-oriented music / dance venue and starts offering money to every girl he likes.
Probably best to wait until girl expresses interest in relationship even after you clearly explain that you're just a tourist who occasionally visits Kyiv, then say something like: "You know, when older foreign men go with much younger girls, then usually give the girl a gift afterwards. But of course if that offends you, I wouldn't do it. " If stated tactfully like that, she probably wouldn't gossip to her friends, regardless of what happens.
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08-13-21 12:30 #21786
Posts: 332Insist on an all inclusive price
What is with this deal of paying "for taxi"? Why would transportation be charged separately? How about hair? Makeup? The dress? Lingerie? Why stop at "taxi" and not get an itemized bill? It is ridiculous! Transportation is part of the cost of doing business. Besides, unless they are hardened pros and use the service's driver, they probably do not even use a taxi. They use the Metro, just like every other pretty girl in town. I sometimes have offered them to send them my limo, but the offer has always been declined. No, I do not have a limo, but I was confident they would not go for it. I suppose I could have ordered a limo service, or just a private car, but I have never had to do so. There is no such thing as "taxi". It is just part of the cost of doing business. Insist on an all inclusive price.
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08-13-21 12:14 #21785
Posts: 332Yes, but.
Yes, but the thing is that an "average looking girl" in Kiev is absolutely fantastic compared to the average looking girl in any major city in, say, North America. Obesity is not a major problem and femininity is still important. So, they are beautiful, slim, and elegant. Second, some people might prefer amateurs over $400/ hour hard core professionals. As some girls have explained to me, most women are opportunistic semi-pros. If they do have sex, why not get paid for it. I have had girls introduce me to friends, younger friends (a friend's daughter, almost like a niece) , and even older friends (a work collogue or family friend). All these girls have jobs and earn a regular salary. If they like you even a little and earn less than 20 K UAH per month, a couple of thousand UAH is a good added incentive for something that they enjoy anyways. Of course, you have to treat them well, have some charm, and not be too disgusting.
Originally Posted by SprKiev21 [View Original Post]
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08-13-21 11:58 #21784
Posts: 154Thank you, and a short but much needed vent
Originally Posted by LuckyNuts [View Original Post]
I think that's been my problem. I know that I'm here for the long haul, and I plan on being a familiar face here for years to come. The quick cold mechanical professional is for horny college kids who have a little less than a week here and about a week's worth of allowance saved up. Her objective is to get the experience over with as soon as possible so as to save her make-up and her energy for the next customer. A job shop mentality screws me over for the kind of value I bring to the table. I deserve a deeper, more committed quality. And that's what's demoralized me.
Well 3 weeks may be lost but I still have 4 more in the chamber, and them's fightin' odds! Down but not out!
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08-13-21 11:26 #21783
Posts: 154Check your DMs
Originally Posted by Riina [View Original Post]
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08-13-21 05:18 #21782
Posts: 623Originally Posted by ShawMan74 [View Original Post]
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08-13-21 02:24 #21781
Posts: 28Originally Posted by Kozerog [View Original Post]
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08-13-21 02:08 #21780
Posts: 28Originally Posted by Langer [View Original Post]
You can try ukrgo only if you speak Russian and the local guys use this site a lot to get laid, but 90% postings on ukrgo will lead you back to the same cheap apartments or massage places with below-average looking girls.
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08-13-21 01:57 #21779
Posts: 28Originally Posted by NorskKing [View Original Post]
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08-13-21 01:37 #21778
Posts: 709Originally Posted by ShawMan74 [View Original Post]
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08-13-21 01:19 #21777
Posts: 154Locals only
If you're a local guy who speaks the language, it's your season. And bully for you if you also happen to be young, financially ok, and good-looking to boot. But in a word, this old bird just ain't the same. It may be a jewel city, but it's not the magical place I fell head over heels for back in '19.
Not for lack of sex, but socially speaking, the quality of companionship is dogshit.
It was a long 3 weeks, and I have 1 more month to go. If not for my contact from before, I probably would've tapped out.
So far I've only had sex 4 times with 3 different girls at 2 different incalls. Through the contact ofc. Each one was incall to meet. Can't give location because I don't know the exact street numbers.
Bonnie - 21 yo lovely redhead spinner, all natural, no tattoos, very demure. Regular usual session details, had to work my way to making out. Really nice BBBJ to finish for tip. 2000/ HR incall + 500 tip (my choice).
Erica - 19 yo blonde out of a 90's video, all natural, no tattoos, new to the biz, short, and cute. Regular usual session details, warm person but no making out. 4000/ HR outcall + 300 taxi (non-negotiable).
Bonnie again - Pussy is loose as hell but I like her) this was a golden session, nonstop passion for 1. 5 hrs. 3000 outcall + 100 taxi + 1000 tip (my surprise).
Sveta - Stunning blonde spinner, all natural, no tattoos, lady gaga look-a-like. Regular usual session details, cold person (part of that might've been my fault) and no making out, but great in bed. 3000/ HR outcall + 300 taxi.
I'm going to get back out there again, maybe tomorrow, I don't know. Actually I had a long diagnostic style report written out about Kiev '21 but in reviewing it, I realize I've been demoralized, so I need to be mindful.
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08-12-21 23:53 #21776
Posts: 1321Originally Posted by VinDici [View Original Post]