Kyiv

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WOW! That's a lot of money. My experience as a fifty year old guy in the states has shown that I pay about $20 an hour for a girls time when they start meeting me outside agencies. I'm guessing in Ukraine it would be about $5 an hour. And if I was 23 in Ukraine, it probably be about 25 cents an hour.

2 years ago it was about $10 an hour for multiple days with a gorgeous 21 years old in the arms of 50+ adventurer.

Why would the same P4P girl provide 95% discount (25 cents versus 5 bucks) just because the guy is 23 is beyond me.

It surely could be a totally different girl for free, or maybe movie ticket and popcorn? I know for a fact that GIA / KEC student employees have absolutely no desire to entertain their male classmates. They are interested in young professionals with adequate life style, but smart one are realistic. Fierce competition pushes them towards Riina et al. Where the chances to benefit one way or the other are in girls favor.

[Power550]

I hope you don't hate me what I am about to tell you, I don't know you background but sounds like you are from Western Country.

Anyway, country like Ukraine, where you have to or commit to pay 5 k and 2 k bag to get laid. This is extreme desperation or seems like you have really tough time getting laid.

Here in Las Vegas, or in Chicago I paid 250 $ for 3 hours to a stunner collage girl, and fucked her tail off, still she would come back for some more and even refer her friends as well. Since you are very young, born in 1996 if I am not mistaken? Its normal or should be normal to have high sex drive, and you should be spending 350 $ a day to fund your habit.

This is my rule, fuck, and forget and move to next. Never listen to bullshit cause you are paying and not getting it for free.

Can you tell us how you set that up with the college girl?

[Riina]

I'm currently living with my girl in Kiev in an apartment for around two weeks. She is a solid 9 on my books, if not 10. I pay her 5000 $, which is not a small amount here in Kiev from what I know. And I also gave her a Dolce & Gabbana handbag which costed me around 2000.

WOW! That's a lot of money. My experience as a fifty year old guy in the states has shown that I pay about $20 an hour for a girls time when they start meeting me outside agencies. I'm guessing in Ukraine it would be about $5 an hour. And if I was 23 in Ukraine, it probably be about 25 cents an hour.

[Timmy21]

Here is an example of review supposedly left by one of the KEC customers:

In general, after GIA has been transformed into KEC, quality of these fake reviews went significantly down. Grammar errors, spelling, writing style. I do not expect impeccable posts, but there is a noticeable decline in both English and Russian.

Lack of recent discussions about KEC on this Forum seems to indicate that there are better ways to spend time and money in Kiev. Report by Devil1687 after his first visit to Kiev, and PMs from other brave undertakers provide a good stream of enjoyable reading.

I would say that since their new ownership; re-branding, or whatever happened, their customer service has gone down as well. The operator / scheduler they have now can be kind of curt at times, I seriously question her comprehension / communication / language skills. Previously, dealing with Kristina was totally satisfying, she understood foreigners (westerns) and her customer service skills were pretty darn good. I liked how whenever I had communication with her, she would always remember me, no matter how long it had been since I previously spoken with her. The old format was much better.

[MohdirFan82]

I'm currently living with my girl in Kiev in an apartment for around two weeks. She is a solid 9 on my books, if not 10. I pay her 5000 $, which is not a small amount here in Kiev from what I know. And I also gave her a Dolce & Gabbana handbag which costed me around 2000.

The problem is, however, that I need like 5 times of sex a day, but it seems she is only willing to offer once or twice, and rarely three. She is quite easily offended as well and gets angry even when I just kindly ask her to have sex with me when she is not willing to. She often claims she is tired from sex or feels pain or shit like that.

Once or twice a day is definitely not enough for me, and the attitude issue is also driving me crazy. We are both good in bed and I give her great orgasms. I just don't understand why she doesn't want to have multiple times of sex each day and is so easy to get triggered. Am I missing anything here? Has anyone had any experience dealing with similar situations?

I hope you don't hate me what I am about to tell you, I don't know you background but sounds like you are from Western Country.

Anyway, country like Ukraine, where you have to or commit to pay 5 k and 2 k bag to get laid. This is extreme desperation or seems like you have really tough time getting laid.

Here in Las Vegas, or in Chicago I paid 250 $ for 3 hours to a stunner collage girl, and fucked her tail off, still she would come back for some more and even refer her friends as well. Since you are very young, born in 1996 if I am not mistaken? Its normal or should be normal to have high sex drive, and you should be spending 350 $ a day to fund your habit.

This is my rule, fuck, and forget and move to next. Never listen to bullshit cause you are paying and not getting it for free.

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I'm currently living with my girl in Kiev in an apartment for around two weeks. She is a solid 9 on my books, if not 10. I pay her 5000 $, which is not a small amount here in Kiev from what I know. And I also gave her a Dolce & Gabbana handbag which costed me around 2000.

The problem is, however, that I need like 5 times of sex a day, but it seems she is only willing to offer once or twice, and rarely three. She is quite easily offended as well and gets angry even when I just kindly ask her to have sex with me when she is not willing to. She often claims she is tired from sex or feels pain or shit like that.

Once or twice a day is definitely not enough for me, and the attitude issue is also driving me crazy. We are both good in bed and I give her great orgasms. I just don't understand why she doesn't want to have multiple times of sex each day and is so easy to get triggered. Am I missing anything here? Has anyone had any experience dealing with similar situations?

I have been in the same boat, and fixed it, but you may not like my suggestion.

Solution is simple. Explain to her that as beautiful as she is, her ass is about to get kicked out. You did mention in the past that you do not prepay, yet she already in the possession of that Dolce &G bag, which makes her think it would be difficult for you to cut her loose.

I assume 5000 USD payment is still pending. I would just kick her out. Enough is enough. Go from arguing and drama toward happiness.

Now, the challenge is to have quality sex 5 times a day. 5 K per 2 weeks means 2500 a week, means 350 per day. Very much doable.

KEC would be too expensive. You have essentially 2 options. Sports fucking with hourly call girls from validated agencies, or establishing your own base of ladies willing to satisfy your thirst.

The latter requires time, frequent visits and preferably long term presence in Kiev.

I combine the benefits of both: sports fucking carousel and database of established contacts.

In the past staying with one girl for days and weeks seemed more reliable to me, but after few tries I lost the interest:

- I cheat on those LTR girls anyway whenever I have free 2-3 hours.

- They start thinking too much of themselves.

- They start to evade their primary responsibility.

- I like the novelty and excitement of meeting the fresh ones.

Does this help you any?

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Sorry if this is a dumb question but is kievescort dot club the real GIA site?

Also has anyone tried kievx?

Here is an example of review supposedly left by one of the KEC customers:

"Astonishing Marta was my choice in this agency one fine day and it brought me many fabulous moments. When I saw her for the first time the best girl's grace was her top and moves showed off the sensuous curves of her little breasts and panties. She had the cutest, little, puffy nipples just budding out under her bra. She was the ocean of charm and I felt her wild nature, hidden deeply waiting for the right moment to unleash. When we enjoyed each other's bodies seem the time and the whole world stopped. She is definitely a true gem."

Maybe I am wrong, but to me this looks like a copy'and 'paste from Playboy or Hustler in the attempt to attract more buyers, not something that one of the real mongers would write up. In general, after GIA has been transformed into KEC, quality of these fake reviews went significantly down. Grammar errors, spelling, writing style. I do not expect impeccable posts, but there is a noticeable decline in both English and Russian.

Lack of recent discussions about KEC on this Forum seems to indicate that there are better ways to spend time and money in Kiev. Report by Devil1687 after his first visit to Kiev, and PMs from other brave undertakers provide a good stream of enjoyable reading.

[AntonySun1996]

I'm currently living with my girl in Kiev in an apartment for around two weeks. She is a solid 9 on my books, if not 10. I pay her 5000 $, which is not a small amount here in Kiev from what I know. And I also gave her a Dolce & Gabbana handbag which costed me around 2000.

The problem is, however, that I need like 5 times of sex a day, but it seems she is only willing to offer once or twice, and rarely three. She is quite easily offended as well and gets angry even when I just kindly ask her to have sex with me when she is not willing to. She often claims she is tired from sex or feels pain or shit like that.

Once or twice a day is definitely not enough for me, and the attitude issue is also driving me crazy. We are both good in bed and I give her great orgasms. I just don't understand why she doesn't want to have multiple times of sex each day and is so easy to get triggered. Am I missing anything here? Has anyone had any experience dealing with similar situations?

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Again, that's why it's best to understand relationships with Ukrainians as financial and frame it that way from the beginning. It's delusional to believe a Ukrainian girl would socially ruin herself to date an older foreigner for nothing.

In the past week three Ukrainian ladies, that do not know each other, asked me for a wire transfer. End of the month is close, funds ran out.

One is gravely sick, the other one is a poor student, and the third one supposedly quit P4 P and started new life working at the bank.

Mentor from this Forum taught me a good lesson by setting an example with his own behavior. He prefers to give money in person, and after the fact, not before, and definitely not remotely.

Guess what, sick one experienced a miraculously quick healing, bank worker doesn't have time to talk to me. Only that student continues to chat occasionally, because her college is few hours away from Kiev, and I represent potential income in the not so distant future. The other two are in Kiev, and already are hunting elsewhere, their perception of reality is on a much shorter scale, - make money now, as there are too many temptations and ways to spend for industrious ladies in the Capital City.

Do I think they are cheaters taking advantage of me? Hell, no! I am thankful that Kiev exists, and I have had those beauties moaning and then smiling happily in my arms. I am also thankful for the newly acquired strength to say a firm "No!" to their attempts at treating me as an easily accessible ATM.

[Riina]

There must be closed communities of underground pimps in Kiev. Disgusting customers is one of the biggest deterrents of girls working straight pay for play.

[Devil1687]

Hello to all good people.

Writing a report after a long time because this was a new country for me and to provide some information to same minded people.

Firstly, this forum lacked the basic info for first timers to follows to getting laid with as much ease as possible. Now there are plentiful of options listed but mostly from either residents or frequent visitors. This is my perspective from a person travelling first time there on a very limited time period and a not a very easy budget.

I traveled last month on the 12th Dec. For 3 days with a day tour of Chernobyl also planned so I knew my options on ground will be severely restricted. Hence started with badoo from home which had lots and lots of options BUT language was a major issue. Didn't fix up with anyone.

Day 1 arrived to my apartment which I selected quite close to Arena, maybe 5 minutes walking. Excellent location for about 50-60 usd per day. There was a housekeeper always in the apartment but there was no restriction on guests.

Since I arrived in the afternoon and was quite tired as I had worked through the entire last night, thought will just relax. I had downloaded mamba which I Think is the app of choice apart from tinder there.

Got a lot of options from 100 us to 300 us for quite amazing looking women but didn't go for it.

Next day after the tour I fixed a date with a 26 yr old, blonde and a very good body. Quoted 100 us for a short time meet.

Met around 8 pm at the restaurant near the apartment. Well she was a bit diff from the pics as in a bit older. She was actually 30, had a kid but body was quite good. Asked money upfront. Overall it was a decent experience, BBBJ was OK. Despite a natural child birth had a beautiful pussy where I went to work for sometime. I think she liked my tongue work. Ha ha.

Well after the deed went to Arena which was a big disappointment. Went to a gentleman's club with the entrance from the street side, decent girls but not nude.

Day 2 I hooked with a 26 yr chubby girl from mamba. Now she was not a great looker but could speak decent English and she had the cups. Fantastic set of breasts. I bought wine for her and went to the apartment. Chatted for a while and the got comfortable. She won't give BBBJ so didn't force. She did like getting her pussy licked which even I enjoy and she actually got an orgasm. I was surprised when she gave a hurried BBBJ. Maybe to thank me. The best part was when she spat in between her tits and asked me to tit fuck her. Ohh that was great when her boobs just covered up my dick. The fuck was decent and I liked her on top with her breasts hanging on my face. Afterwards chatted a while and she left. Cost was 1200 UAH and definitely worth it. Tip 200. I think we spent a bit more than 2 hours together.

Went Harems club in the night. Huge place with decent girls. I liked it there.

Next day off to the desert.

I'm not good at long descriptions so please excuse.

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Sorry if this is a dumb question but is kievescort dot club the real GIA site?

Yes it is. There is no GIA anymore. KEC executed hostile take over in May-July 2018.

Sister site is escort dot vc.

Also has anyone tried kievx?

Waiting for feedback myself. Seems that oil magnates and Arab sheikhs do not visit our Forum for the time being.

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My bet is out of 25 only 1 or 2 will be available for P4P.

P4 P is easier, but that is what Kozerog calls "staying in P4 P bubble". I don't like any type of restriction and want them from all the sources. Some Pros are good and convenient, Semi-pros and Civilians are equally sweet, I especially like the process of courtship and seduction)).

Perhaps the question is how many out of 25 would agree to give me their phone number? So far my experience shows 1 out of 10. Which is again 2 or 3 out of 25. Not sure if these two categories overlap or are independent.

And as I said, these numbers seems too low. You mentioned many hot looking girls in your workplace at Parus stroll around, and are not available.

Not available for P4 P? Not available for dating, because they work there? Because they target those few levels higher in the corporate hierarchy for upward mobility within society? Because they already are married, or dating, or have sugar-daddies? Not available to you personally? Available for a few days and 200-300 euros during their weekend trips out of country?

I actually prefer to sponsor ladies that work somewhere in the office, not those that are constantly hunting without any other means to support themselves. That is why I never invite Ukrainian ladies to join me outside of Kiev. That is why I am happier with civilians, or newbies in business, with first year students, rather than jaded travelers with Dubai, Rome and Istanbul in every picture on Instagram.

My interpretation of LTR is dynamic harem of multiple semi-pros and civilians, that gets updated sufficiently frequently, as ladies leave it eventually, or stop sleeping with me, but still expect gifts out of the goodness of my heart, and I do my best not to feed those hopes in vain.

...there are much better chances for the girls (specifically good-looking) of finding a decent job that keeps them on survival level + once in a while they make some extra cash (semi-pros). But most of them do not post on mamba or go to night-clubs or deal with body-shop agencies. They just taking a straight tour to Paris or Milan or Dubai (this preferable due to "privacy" factor) or work with local pimps who sends them to "internal" clients. In any case this category of ladies are normally best looking ones but they're completely closed to "public".

That is precisely what I am talking about. Lately I do see proliferation of Viber-based agencies, that do not have topmodals style websites, or any websites, period. Closed to public.

They work with referred clients, and ladies at those agencies are very good for a reasonable price, as there is low overhead. Girls themselves are calling the shots, and therefore are not exhausted by working round the clock. With these it is easy to cut the middleman dispatcher out, and sponsor directly. I typically pay no more than 1000 UAH an hour, often considerably less for true GFE. Funny how for those ladies I frequently get compliments myself:

- Your girls are always so beautiful!

I looked through my last few dozen girls in Kiev to see if there were any 9's or 10's among them simply based on looks, that is face and body. Again, admittedly, I am not that picky, but I did read papers on the subject of female beauty world wide in scientific journals with good reputation. There were statistical attempts in those serious papers to establish female beauty criteria based on samples from different races, and respective statistically representative feedback. It was in "Nature" or "Genetics" or "Scientific American".

Anyway, review of the ladies, that "had an honor" with your not so humble servant, shows significantly more than 20% equal to or greater than 9. Which means that subjectively, even despite my omnivorous inclination, I had enough substrate to satisfy my urge not only with ugly vultures, but with the hot beauties as well.

Actual number is between 20 and 40% depending on the size of sliding window chosen. Which correlates with my primary objectives:

1. To be happy and satisfied.

2. Not to overpay for illusive qualities and my own ambitions.

I am not specifically targeting 8's, 9's and 10's. Personality, creative nature, and attitude are much more important to me, but I certainly appreciate when physical beauty coincides with those factors, emphasizing the pleasure even more. And my adventures show that subjectively there are enough hotties to draw from.

One may ask what is the rating of the rest 60-80%. I do not believe I ever went under 6, even while completely drunk. Then again, do we rate them with or without makeup? Some left an impression of working on their eyelashes and face for hours, and I love the artistry, when it is combined with the character of properly behaving lady.

YMMV, gentlemen, and that's not a problem at all.

[Power550]

Sorry if this is a dumb question but is kievescort dot club the real GIA site?

Also has anyone tried kievx?

[Riina]

On the contrary, being involved with older foreigner men is increasingly seen as shameful. Some guys don't see this because they live in the P4 P bubble, but I can definitely sense hardened attitudes among civilian girls since my first visit to Ukraine in 2015. (I interact frequently with civilian girls as part of my social activity.).

Again, that's why it's best to understand relationships with Ukrainians as financial and frame it that way from the beginning. It's delusional to believe a Ukrainian girl would socially ruin herself to date an older foreigner for nothing.

In the states, if I want a girl half my age to go out in public with me, I have to give her access to things like a car and my home. Basically, I need to better her lifestyle. Cash alone is not enough. Too many dudes here can write a check.