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01-29-19 21:02 #19103
Posts: 258Originally Posted by TinyHippo [View Original Post]
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01-29-19 19:22 #19102
Posts: 597Originally Posted by AntonySun1996 [View Original Post]
I never pay exorbitant amounts for an escort even if I could afford it. Once in California I saw an add for a 6-foot redhead with an amazing body and her rate was $400/ HR. My max was $250 but I had to have this woman. She was fat, sweaty and smelly. I have had some bad dates since, but I still remember that one to this day because I regret spending that much. That was 10 years ago! For me the amount of regret I have for a bad session directly correlates with the fee paid.
Good luck!
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01-29-19 19:09 #19101
Posts: 823Originally Posted by AntonySun1996 [View Original Post]
She knows when you depart and is riding it out one day at a time, anticipating that lavish payment. Not many days left before both of you are free.
BTW, she even brought her sister to my apartment today, chatting and chilling, leaving me in the room alone. That utterly unacceptable.
If my lady brings another girl to my apartment, I ask if it'll be a threesome. If they giggle and decline, I invite one of my friends. He can take care of the other girl, either in a separate bedroom, or at least have a conversation with her in the kitchen, while I retire to the bedroom with mine.
I lay it out before the girls visit, so that there is no misunderstanding and evasive maneuvers upon their arrival.
I don't like to be tough with girls but I guess I have to.
Some of the girls leave "hostage" personal things at my apartment while away at work or college, high heels shoes obviously visible at the front entrance, even cool looking lingerie. That doesn't prevent me from inviting others in the meantime, and certainly doesn't hold me from kicking misbehaving ones out.
I would take a look at these 2 weeks, and count the days that you were happy. Subtract next week, as it didn't happen yet. Subtract her period, as every girl knows her biological cycle, and should not schedule 2 weeks sex around it. Take into consideration 2 K purse you already gave. Do you even have to pay her anything? Does she have any real leverage over you? Like a brother who looks like Arnold Schwarzenegger?
I prefer to avoid conflicts by all means. Civilized relationship is a must, which means decent behavior is expected from both. Some girls want to be pampered just for the honor to have them around, that is their dream in Kiev. Tough shit! You pay well above the aver age, therefore you have a good say in what is acceptable.
BTW, I have no doubt that your object of desire is at least a 9 in more than just her looks. I am also confident that there are other 9's and 10's as well as very much fuckable 6's and 8's available in Kiev for your consolation, empathy and compassion. You have another week.
Yes, some on the Forum would say that mongers like you spoil Ukrainian girls by paying them too much, and letting them to take advantage of you. I do not know about that. You pay what you consider adequate, it is your personal business. And responsibility to request decent treatment, according to your standards, is also yours.
And again, forgive my mentoring. As I said before, you already had good time with her. Good learning experience for many more to come.
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01-29-19 18:04 #19100
Posts: 2794Originally Posted by AntonySun1996 [View Original Post]
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01-29-19 14:38 #19099
Posts: 258I understand 5000 $ is a big amount in Kiev. What I don't understand is why the girl still won't behave herself and provide with quality sex when I pay this amount. Maybe got spoiled by being paid too much.
BTW, she even brought her sister to my apartment today, chatting and chilling, leaving me in the room alone. That utterly unacceptable.
I don't like to be tough with girls but I guess I have to.
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01-28-19 22:43 #19098
Posts: 2794Originally Posted by TinyHippo [View Original Post]
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01-28-19 19:12 #19097
Posts: 823Originally Posted by AntonySun1996 [View Original Post]
One says, everything should be discussed beforehand. How many times, which orifices are allowed, and which ones are taboo. Money in the open on the table.
This approach works great for many, and I respect it. Even use it myself with hourly call girls.
I prefer the other way though. Negotiate beforehand only the price and duration- 3-5 hours with the new girl. Never commit to multiple days if we never met before. I can however extend the meeting after the first 15-30 minutes, if she's a great kisser, and I can clearly sense that she will be passionate and tender in bed.
During the first meeting I see how far she can go within my sphere of interests, that go beyond just mating. Then I contemplate if I want to spend a sleepover or longer with her. Going for 2-3 days together seems like a reasonable maximum, but no sooner than the second meeting. Anything longer requires truly special admiration going both ways that happens with maybe one out of 30 or 50 girls that I met in my life.
I also very much like when the girl leaves after 16-24 hour stay, and both of us want badly to continue, but one or both cannot at this moment in time. Then meeting again later is so sweet and passionate!
One girl gets 300 USD regardless of our meet duration. Twelve hours or two, she is that good. It would be impossible for me personally to renegotiate her billing rate down.
Similarly, another equally gorgeous and delightful in bed lady gets little less than 1000 UAH for an hour. After more than 5 hours we stay at 5 K UAH.
Another attractive one was always 2000-2500 UAH for overnight including Greek and CIMS.
Those are the conditions and money that I give them in an envelope. We do not count anymore, never even discuss. Girls are happy with arrangements and are eager to meet again, so am I, but I will not go lower. Occasionally I give individual gifts and bonuses.
I do not necessarily calculate how many shots I get per 100 USD or vise versa, how much is one shot in UAH. It is all about customer (me) satisfaction. It is also critically important to me that the lady is happy, both with money earned, gifts received, orgasms experienced, entertainment, and generally speaking both of us having great time together.
Bottom line, your lady will expect 5000 + expensive gift during your next 2 weeks together. And she may do her best to continue this relationship. This touches the subject of Kozerog's LTR philosophy and his business cost analysis. Some may find his way too expensive. I personally think he figured out a great way to mitigate risks and maximize his satisfaction for acceptable investment.
The most important piece is your happiness most of the time. There might be challenges here and there, but as long as you are happy with your girl 80-95% of the paid time together, you are golden.
I do recall at least couple times when I was heart broken after separating from Ukrainian girl. And I was so happy to find a new one right away. The funny thing is, I only remember the feeling of being heart broken, but not those girls names, or faces, or what year it happened.
Kiev is great for healing in the arms of new beauties. Scheduling a threesome is even better, but much trickier.
Forgive my lengthy posts.
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01-28-19 17:18 #19096
Posts: 823Originally Posted by Devil1687 [View Original Post]
Glad to hear you are coming back. May and September are my favorite in Kiev.
May is beautiful, because scantily clad ladies get out and about. Love and Sex are in the air.
September might be even better because there are no exams at Universities. In fact some of the first year students just joined their colleges, and other ones returned to the Capital City from their towns and villages, and need money and entertainment.
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01-28-19 14:50 #19095
Posts: 114I had a question about Travelgirls even though it looks like a scam to me. I had "girls" writing me even before I had a profile photo which makes me think it is full of bots.
Is it mostly pure escorts like Mamba where you can ask to meet and they tell you a price? Or is it more like a Sugar Daddy website?
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01-28-19 14:41 #19094
Posts: 114Originally Posted by AntonySun1996 [View Original Post]
The other thing is Slavic and Chinese culture are much different. You need to be the leader. Decide what to do and where to go on dates. Always ask her questions so you know what she likes, but Ukrainian girls like guys that are in control. I am East Asian too and Asian girls can be bossy, but this is really looked down upon in Ukraine.
Also, if you are into blogs, check out Funkybambi Lu on Youtube. I watched a few episodes with my Ukrainian girl since I am from HK too.
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01-28-19 13:14 #19093
Posts: 258Anyone in Kiev want to meet.
Will be in Kiev until Feb 5.
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01-28-19 06:10 #19092
Posts: 27Originally Posted by BillV90 [View Original Post]
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01-28-19 01:30 #19091
Posts: 823Originally Posted by AntonySun1996 [View Original Post]
Kiev is a huge melting pot, and that adds significantly to its beauty. Similar diversity I saw in New York and Rio-de-Janeiro. Admittedly Kiev doesn't have as many blacks, and there are still some stupid idiots that do not like foreigners, but you get my idea.
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01-27-19 21:23 #19090
Posts: 258Well said PhotoSlider. Definitely should have made agreements beforehand. Now I'm just going to see how I can fix this up at this point.
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01-27-19 10:36 #19089
Posts: 2794Ukraine Follows Drama to Moscow.
Back in Moscow, loving it great place. Yesterday meet a girl for dinner from Tinder, normal date. Great Girl! We meet at one my favorite Rest. We start talking and yes, she is from Odessa and Relocated from Kiev to Moscow. I talked to her about her classmate that had left Ukraine for better opportunities, she said over 40% are gone and more are trying to leave.
I usually have an escort come over at lunch time, then I go do traditional dating and clubs in the evening. One Escorts I am seeing she is also from Ukraine. As everyone know I do not use numbers 9-10's often. She is solid 9, you can look her on the site I posted on the Moscow. 5'8" 105, perfect, but she is hard to track down, she travels the world. $200-250 GFE no clock watching, but she is like a ghost.
In my 3 trips to Moscow in the last 2 months, I have probably in talks with about 40 people 10-20%, of them are originally from Ukraine, sorry facts do not lie.