Kyiv

[RomanyStar]

Very nice effort. A few suggestions / corrections.

Thanks for all your work LJ. I've incorporated your corrections and suggestions.

I'll be glad to add everyone's favorite spots, PM or post any suggestions.

http://maps.google.com/maps/ms?ie=UT...c9d40f14d29d51

[Ronaldinjo]

People, are there any good bordhels in Kiev, such in moskow or st. Petersburg, where you can choose girls for sex and make sex with them in bordhel without bringing them home? Do you know and have you been in such places?

[LilJoey]

I hope this works better this time.

http://maps.google.com/maps/ms?ie=UT...c9d40f14d29d51

Very nice effort. A few suggestions / corrections.

Below are the addresses / websites of the locations identified to the extent I could find them.

Is it possible to include the address, phone and website of each in the box that opens when clicking on a pin on your map? I think it's worthwhile including that info so that a person using the map can simply copy down the address to give to a taxi when they are about to go to a location and they don't need to print out a map and use it as a guide by reference to streets and intersections.

Corrections:

The pin for the Besarabsky Rynok (Market) building is in the wrong place. Move it one block up to Bessarabska Square (opposite intersection of Khreshchatyk Street with Tarasa Shevchenka Blvd.)

The BILLA supermarket I was speaking of originally is located on the Khreshchatyk Street side of the Besarabsky Rynok (Market) building, as you can plainly see from the store awnings bearing the BILLA sign in the photograph I attached hereto.

Also, I'm pretty sure that Roll Buzz was referring to the O'Brien's Irish Bar at the address below (Mykhailivs'ka St. 17/2) , and not the one you have on the pin currently. Which is the one frequented by most mongers, I have no idea. There are many Irish Bars. Maybe someone will tell us which is the best for picking up pretty girls or for some other aspect.

LJ.

ADDRESSES OF SIGNIFICANT KIEV LOCATIONS (in no particular order)

Club Avalon.
http://www.avalon.ua/en/
3 Leontovicha str, Kiev, Ukraine.
Phone: (044) 234 7494

Arena Entertainment Complex.
Baseina St. 2A, Kyiv, Ukraine 01004
+380 44 492 0000
www.Arena-Kiev.Com
http://www.arena-kiev.com/eng/about/

Shooters Restaurant-Entertainment Complex
Moskovs'ka St. 22, Kyiv, Ukraine. 01010
+380 44 254 2024
www.Shooters.Kiev.Ua

Vodka Bar
Maidan Nezalezhnosti, Kyiv, Kyiv city, Ukraine
+380 44 371 1102
www.Vodka-bar.Com.Ua

O'Brien's Irish Bar.
Mykhailivs'ka St. 17/2, Kyiv, Ukraine. 01001
+380 44 279 1584 &8206;

McDONALD'S
Sofiivs'ka St. 1/2, Kyiv
+380 44 501 7927

Rio strip club.
Bogdana Khmelnitskogo street 30/10
www.rioclub.com.ua

Buddha Bar
Khreshchatyk Street 14
www.buddhabar.com.ua

D'lux nightclub
Grushevskogo 3
www.dlux.com.ua

Besarabsky Rynok (Market)
Bessarabska Square (opposite intersection of Khreshchatyk Street with Tarasa Shevchenka Blvd.)

BILLA Supermarket
Khreshchatyk Street@Bessarabska Square (in Besarabsky Rynok (Market) building)

Mandarin Plaza Shopping Center
Baseina Street 6
www.mandarin.kiev.ua/eng/

Gurman Supermarket
Baseina St. 4
Downstairs inside the Mandarin Plaza Shopping Center
+38-044-230-9525.

[AColonizer]

Thanks for your witness!

At last, somebody has learnt the lesson: there is no place for gentlemen in mongering prostitutes. I often read reports about gentlemen's etiquette with P4P and there is no doubt those reports are written by very lucky men or by pimps. This is not cynism, this is open our own eyes on the raw reality. This forum is much more educational than years and years of (politically correct) school.

And in general when any kind of female decides to stay with someone is just for her calculated material purpose. At last, any kind of female sells herself for something (children, lifestyle, passport, money, etc.) in exchange of something else (innocence, smiling, cooking, sex, etc.). I wonder, who is the biggest *****: who sells her body for money or who sells her body for children?

This time I will make a good profile on mamba. Ru and try to seek hotties before landing Kiev. If I fail, I will go for gia escorts instead Rio club this time. We will see!

And another thing I learned in donetsk, never go to a girl's home, never! I want to share my bad experiences with all mongers.

I met a girl in Cyrpus about 6 months ago. We often met in cyprus. She worked in a strip club there. Almost everyweek, I went to see her. We had very good time. When her contact finish, she wented back her country, ukrain-donetsk. Of course I went to donetsk for her. I would stay in her home, I would pay her 1000 $ for 4 days. Yes, it sounds like a good deal. 4 days with a girl including accommodation would cost only 1000 $. But it wouldn't. There were girl's mom and child in the home with 6 small dogs. 2 cat and 1 bird. There was only 1 room in home and there was no door at the room. As you can guess we could never make sex.

I paid her, we couldn't make sex, even we couldn't stay alone. I asked the refund and as you can guess, she didn't. I tried to go but she already got my passport, my all money, my cellphone, my credit cards, my hotel reservation documents (yes, I also made a reservation before coming for backup). Everything. I was very angry, we argued till morning, I broke the windows, punched the walls, I did everything I could and I could get back my passport and 500 $. She always tried to call somebody while we were arguing, probably police, I am not sure. After I got my passport and 500 $, I also stole the girl's cellphone because she already got mine, ran off the fucking city asap.

Now, I learned this very well : NEVER THINK YOU CAN TRUST A PROSTITUTE AND NEVER GO HER HOME!

Ukrain is very nice country with full of beautiful girls but we need to be very careful. Of course most of you already know this but I didn't. I just wanted to share this with you. Please don't do the mistakes I did.

[LilJoey]

I appreciate your help very much. I'm quirious, is thre any danger to pay foe example to "KIEVAPTS" by visa or any card? Are they honest? Nevertheless its ukrain and not germany

I wrote that I had used them for all my trips to Kiev and have been satisfied with their services. Their policies are that you can secure an available apartment of your choice in advance that you want to rent for 4 days or more by paying a deposit. If you are only renting for 3 days or less then you can not secure it in advance and must rent from what is available in the few days before your arrival. This is because the rental company wants to try to rent the apartment for a longer rental period if they can, up till that time. In order to pay the deposit you will need to do a credit card transaction online. You will need to pay the balance of the amount due for the rental when you arrive at the beginning of the rental period, which their driver or manager will collect from you at the apartment on the day of your arrival. There will be a 6% handling fee on the amount paid as a deposit. I generally don't want to carry around so much cash or go looking for a place to withdraw enough local currency when I arrive to pay the balance, so I pay the whole amount in advance by credit card online. Yes they are trustworthy. Kievapts. Com is not the only apartment rental company that people on this forum have used with success and satisfaction. Have a look at the earlier reports going back and you will find other posters have used and recommended other companies too.

[TheKnight]

Have you read the thread and have you considered the sound advice in many earlier posts in this thread that renting a luxury apartment downtown, from rental companies like kievapts. Com and other companies referred to by other members here, gives you much more for your money and is preferable when you intend to invite or bring multiple female guests over? Aside from the privacy issue, and not having to deal with interfering hotel security types looking for a handout, or embarrasing moments with hotel reception, a luxury apartment will give you triple the space for less money than a hotel. I have requested the rental company that I only want to rent apartments that are newly refinished or remodeled and are very clean and modern, and they have guided me to selections fitting my requirements. I have not been disappointed yet. The only thing I miss is the ease with which one can get freshly laundered new bath towels in a hotel, but you can make special arrangements for this in an apartment rental too. And regardless, the full kitchen and beautiful living room with big screen TV etc. That makes entertaining girls at your place so much nicer compared to in a hotel room, more than makes up for the bath towels issue. What is the reason to prefer a hotel?

Regarding the recommendation by Castonthis about the girls for take out available at Dnipro Hotel, I can only refer you to look up the posts by TheKnight on this thread about all the strip club options he has reported on, to consider the issues raised. One such issue might be the higher cost of the girls at the Dnipro compared to Rio. Regarding the opinion that the girls at Dnipro are better looking than those at Rio, I have no personal opinion as I have not visited at the Dnipro strip club due to cost considerations. Yet I have always found an adequate number of very hot girls at Rio of such level of good looks, that it would be hard to imagine that Dnipro has better. But if it the Dnipro strip club did have girls who were better looking than at Rio, as is claimed, then perhaps some extra cost is worth considering. Who knows, maybe TheKnight will spot this post and come to the rescue here with another educated opinion.

LJ

Last time I went (taking a newbie on a guided tour) , prices were still $400 for up to 3 hours. There were far far far fewer girls to choose from, and while the average mark may be around the same as at Rio, I can guarantee that on each of my visits there the best at Dnipro / Millennium would not have made the top 3 any night at Rio. YMMV.

I actually found decent looking girls (one, Kristina, in particular) at strip club Penthaus. They're charging 2500UAH/$300 for takeout. But small selection (6 or 7 girls)

[Ronaldinjo]

I appreciate your help very much. I'm quirious, is thre any danger to pay foe example to "KIEVAPTS" by visa or any card? Are they honest? Nevertheless its ukrain and not germany

[Kiev Freak]

This time I will make a good profile on mamba. Ru and try to seek hotties before landing Kiev. If I fail, I will go for gia escorts instead Rio club this time. We will see!

And another thing I learned in donetsk, never go to a girl's home, never.! I want to share my bad experiences with all mongers.

I met a girl in Cyrpus about 6 months ago. We often met in cyprus. She worked in a strip club there. Almost everyweek, I went to see her. We had very good time. When her contact finish, she wented back her country, ukrain-donetsk. Of course I went to donetsk for her. I would stay in her home, I would pay her 1000 $ for 4 days. Yes, it sounds like a good deal. 4 days with a girl including accommodation would cost only 1000 $. But it wouldn't. There were girl's mom and child in the home with 6 small dogs. 2 cat and 1 bird. There was only 1 room in home and there was no door at the room. As you can guess we could never make sex.

I paid her, we couldn't make sex, even we couldn't stay alone. I asked the refund and as you can guess, she didn't. I tried to go but she already got my passport, my all money, my cellphone, my credit cards, my hotel reservation documents (yes, I also made a reservation before coming for backup). Everything. I was very angry, we argued till morning, I broke the windows, punched the walls, I did everything I could and I could get back my passport and 500 $. She always tried to call somebody while we were arguing, probably police, I am not sure. After I got my passport and 500 $, I also stole the girl's cellphone because she already got mine, ran off the fucking city asap.

Now, I learned this very well : NEVER THINK YOU CAN TRUST A PROSTITUTE AND NEVER GO HER HOME!

Ukrain is very nice country with full of beautiful girls but we need to be very careful. Of course most of you already know this but I didn't. I just wanted to share this with you. Please don't do the mistakes I did.

[Ella1984]

Hello,

I am 27 and mak for the man a nice massage about 2 hour and in the end quiky sex in all positions but I need high money for this services.

[LilJoey]

I'm sure this has been answered hundreds of times, but it's a little tedious to go through hundreds of posts to find the answer, so here goes again. On these websites:

http://gia-escort.com/escorts

http://escort-models.com/en/models/

What are the odds the the girl actually corresponds to the photo? Or it's more likely some older fatty comes over?

Thanks

Not more than a few days ago, I just answered the exact same question for another newbie too lazy to read the thread. See that post:

http://www.internationalsexguide.inf...=1#post1236416

You may also reference the following earlier posts about escort--models.com:

http://www.internationalsexguide.info/forum/showthread.php?816-Kiev&p=1143482&viewfull=1#post1143482

http://www.internationalsexguide.info/forum/showthread.php?816-Kiev&p=1145713&viewfull=1#post1145713

What is it with you guys? How hard is it to understand that you only damage yourself by failing to read the thread a reasonable number of months back and gain for yourself the knowledge contained in the earlier posts. I don't feel like continuing to spoonfeed those who don't at least make a responsible effort to find the answer themselves before posting an intelligent question about something not clear to them about what they read.

If using the search tools on this forum is proving to be so difficult for all these newbies, then it shows that a tutorial on how to do searches on this forum is needed and such a tutorial should be posted by the Administrator, or a link to it, in every thread.

LJ

[Stavvrrooss]

I'm sure this has been answered hundreds of times, but it's a little tedious to go through hundreds of posts to find the answer, so here goes again. On these websites:

http://gia-escort.com/escorts

http://escort-models.com/en/models/

What are the odds the the girl actually corresponds to the photo? Or it's more likely some older fatty comes over?

Thanks

[Guntherus]

Thanks to all of you for your advice and posts, I have booked my flight and apartment. Those that have asked for more info on my lovely from Montreal have heard back by PM.

I have not found a Google Map for Kiev, so I started one based on the great post by LJ.

Since I am a Kiev virgin please let me know if I have something misplaced, and PLEASE let me know other points that should be on the map.

If this has already been done, let me know that too and I'll gladly use the previous knowledge. HATE reinventing.

Here it is:

http://maps.google.com/maps/ms?ie=UTF&msa=0&msid=

202083364326811814553. 0004b69c9d40f14d29d51

This is a good start. Thanks. If I could add to the map I would add Club Arena, and the sport bar is in the same building.

On the other side of the street from Bessarabska-market there is the cheap Billa-store, and around the corner there is TGIF-restaurant, for the americanos (good steaks).

In the same street as apt. #152 there is Club Avalon, probably no better or worse than discos like Patipa, Dinamo-Lux, Shooters, Buddha- or Vodka-bar and several others. Some have restaurants, some not. I have been to them, maybe the age of the clientel varies, and everyone wants something different.

At Maidan Square there is McDonalds, and a little further on Mykhailska street 17 we have Irish pub, both places frequented by westerners.

Sorry I do not know if 0r how to add placemarks to your map.

Good luck, have fun. RB

[LifeSavour]

I also want to ask a question to IT Travel or any expert mamba. Ru hunters :

How can you be sure that the girls will provide you good services including BBBJ and anal sex? Xxxx But I did it in my donetsk adventure and didn't look for girls in Kiev but in donetsk. There may be english speaking gals on mamba in Kiev area, I don't know, however there arent in donetsk.

And secondly, Do you talk with the girl on mamba and asking her what services she will offer before you land in Kiev?

Thanks in advance

Donetsk is very Russian. Little English is happening there! You will find Kyiv much more ENGLISH speaking. Girls in the big city are hit on much more than other locales. I used to try and talk to a girl or 2 girls on the street."Excuse me, do you speak English?" Usually a reply of " NO!", as they raced off down the street. Now I approach and ask "Excuse me, do you speak Russian?" They answer " NO!", then realize my trick and see me smiling and they laugh and we begin some small talk. They ALL. Old & young. Have learned the A B C's, words, sentences. Just not much practice.

And it is amazing to me how at a dinner party they can not speak any English, but after an hour of drinks they become 'fluent"! Xa xa.

Mamba girls will answer all your questions. Timing is sometimes important? Don't always rush right in! But, you do also need to understand some of them will be on site for a day. 2 or 3, or a week. Then disappear! Strike when the iron is hot!

If you want something ask for it. Many girls do want to see you first and that is when a good guy, clean, nice, fun will usually score more & higher than other personality types!

[LilJoey]

This type of "private dance" with fondling, rubbing, and all kinds of touching and "dry humping" is standard in Quebec. Usually it includes licking the nipples and can include fingering and licking other parts of her body. All this for a mere $20 per "song". It used to be $10 not too many years ago. Of course, it adds up quickly so the girls try to entice you into staying with them for as long as possible Clubs outside cities are more liberal, but depending on the club, there might be a BJ or actual sex for an additional cost. However, having sex for 10 minutes in a dark and dirty small booth may cater to the fantasy of having impromptu sex with a stripper but it is really uncomfortable and too expensive for what you get.

I have had a couple of actual BJs, for a little extra, and some partial ones, for "free". When the "song" is about to end they will do what they can to try to convince you to stay for one more. And once I actually had sex in a little booth. Exciting, I suppose, but not comfortable. In Niagara falls there are also a couple of strip bars like that, but I have not been here in many years.

I never tried take-out at these places, but I suppose everything is possible. And no, they are not the quality of the girls one find sin Ukraine, but some are perfectly fine.

In the "contact" dance strip clubs that decorate downtown Montreal, while it is true that some touching is possible, it is not generously given, but must be bargained and paid for, and yes the girls try to keep you going for more dances. Also no "take out" is generally possible from those strip clubs in Montreal. However, on the outskirts of Montreal, to the West or to the South, there are some strip club bars that have the back room private booths that you mention. One or two which come to mind is Hilltop about 30 minutes on the highway to the West, and Bar Le Gentlemen a similar distance to the South of downtown Montreal. Some of the girls are very beautiful. It is the goal of the girl to get you all excited from her dance to the point that you will pay for the additonal services. The menu offered is generally $100 for oral, and $200 for everything, plus $20 per song for the time. Everything is covered. You can also make an agreement for a flat fee for a certain amount of time like a half hour or an hour with some girls. The booths have nothing more than perhaps a couch and a little shelf for your drink, very basic, and decidedly not upscale. The club doesn't have a place you can really wash up afterwards, other than the regular men's room. Every time I asked one of those beauties to come back to my hotel so that we can be together in cleanliness and comfort, they always asked something like $500 / hour. They weren't really interested in outcall to a hotel, because they were making so much more at the strip club where they could earn $100 to $200 every ten or 15 minutes on a busy night. These type of strip club bars are very special and there aren't too many of them around. I've never checked out Niagara Falls yet.

In Kiev, it is entirely different. The private dances in Rio have none of that attempt by the girl to get you to do more dances or to pay more for additional services. The fee is 200 UAH. That's it. There are some girls who are dancer only and don't do take out at Rio. Some of them do only that in a private dance, they just dance, no touching of tits or pussy. She is not required to do more in a Rio private dance. So when a Rio girl does give you more, and allows you all sorts of sexual liberties with her body, and responds to your ministrations, it is something coming from her to you. It is not required. It is given. Obviously she gives such intimacies in the hope that you will like her and take her home. Most of the Rio girls will simply get up after the first dance is finished. They have no expectation of a second dance. If you want to continue dances you will have to suggest it. Otherwise, she will be getting dressed. Most guys don't need more than a single 2 song dance to decide they want to take the girl home and fuck her. Why spend more on dances in Rio, when you can take her home and do everything your heart desires there.

[LilJoey]

When I order an appatment by kievapts. Com, when and where I get the kees when I shall arrive to Kiev? Are the beds appropriate size in 1 bedrooms appartments? Please answer.

Kievapts. Com offers an airport pickup service, as many apartment rental companies do, which I usually book. In that case, the driver that picks me up has the keys and helps me in with my bags, takes the payment of any balance due for the rental, and answers any questions I might have. When their driver comes to pick me up to take me back to the airport, I return the keys to him. If an arrival or departure is going to be at a very late or very early hour that is not during business hours, then one is required to do it this way. But if it is during business hours, and you don't use their airport pickup service, and you will get to the correct address on your own, then one of their managers will meet you at the apartment building to let you in and give you the keys, etc.

the bed in a one bedroom apartment is usually a queen size bed or a king size bed. you can look at pictures of every room of each apartment you are considering on their website, as well as see its location on a map.

LJ