Kyiv

[Vitrea]

1. Ex-GIA girl stays with me for free in Kiev right now. There are the usual living expenses, but nothing compares to having an intelligent beautiful lady 30+ younger than I am for a fifth day in a row, and counting (GIA can laugh all they want). She also works in the office during the day, leaving room for my exploration.

2. Yesterday for 2000 UAH I had one hour with 19 years old student: DFK, DATY, super nice body, even better attitude. Usually I order 2-3 girls a day. Didn't dare to spoil the aftertaste following this sweetie.

3. The day before found a MILF. Looking at her body I couldn't believe she has 19 years old daughter! While ex-GIA girl was asleep, I arranged a 7 hours rendezvous with that MILF this coming Sunday. For free. She is excited, so am I. BBBJ without me even asking for it this Wednesday.

4. Had a tall slim blond at 3 am few days ago. On the first glance she didn't look like much. Boy, was I wrong! She was one of the few that I extended. I was drunk. Without discussing anything verbally we ended up in 69 with her doing tender, skillful and attentive BBBJ. She quickly understood that in my state I couldn't make love any other way, and she relentlessly guided me until CIM. She didn't swallow, she spat on the bedsheet, that my maid washed the next morning. I never had this girl before or after. In the end she had gorgeous happy smile. I didn't discuss those extra options with the agency beforehand (never do, because I can do without, and IMO for DATY girls should pay me), and I certainly didn't pay for extras separately, aside from 2000 UAH hourly fee, that seems like a new standard in Kiev now.

I can continue this list, as I had over 15 girls in 8 days so far. Ordered from my usual consolidation agency, used for pre-filtering instead of mamba. Half of them girls gave me their phone numbers, despite agency explicitly forbidding doing that. Waiting for fresh ones to wake up right now and get delivered to my door.

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For an open minded and well seasoned traveler possibilities are endless in Kiev. Is it cheap and easy? - No. Are there comparable places on our planet? - Yes. Am I happy here right now? Oh, yeah!

My experience so far is very very similar. This is my mongering style also.

Hourly has a range. 1800 to 2500. plus 200 for taxi.

One of the girls I saw twice is 18 yr old and looks like Monica Bellucci. True stunner.

One apartment girl came to see me for free three afternoons in a row and stayed overnight one night. That night we had sex for over 2 hours. Life is good in Kiev.

[Vitrea]

Reposting because, by mistake, I uploaded the draft with errors and typos

I don't understand why some guys are so negative about Kiev.

I am here now and having a great time. Some people say Kiev may not be easy for newbies but I always had fun here. Even my first time as a newbie. First time I spent more money using GIA and Rio but this time I did not but would not hesitate to Rio. I am not a GIA fan.

The trick is that I use a reliable agent. I go to apartments with him during the day and evenings, I have couple of contacts for I keep a friend or two from past trips and mix it up with night clubs and just watching eye candy all day at a cafe. This trip is more fun because I have couple of cool friends sharing an Airbnb. Wow. Cool city centre, good to great food that is reasonably priced, decent ethnic options, slow but friendly service. Chic cafes and most importantly, what a collection of stylish beauties on the street with near perfect posture and gait? IMHO Only Belgrade has more stylish beauties in one square mile than Kiev. (I have not been to Moscow). Other than that I have covered all major mongering destinations in the world and Kiev beats them all for my eyes.

I saw Asana and Linda on the first night from an apartment. Solid 8's. Both are tall and have blonde wavy silky hair to die for. Flawless skin and flat abs. Asana is more feminine with see cups but Linda is leaner and even taller with A cups and small round ass.

Next day spent time with a friend who I met last time. She looked amazing. Glad she is still not attached.

Had a Whatsapp agent send a girl. These are mamasans that run the apartments. They send body shots only. No face. Don't try. They won't. If you approve, then the girl comes in taxi. If you like her, you pay her in the taxi and you keep her. If not, pay 200 for the trouble and taxi and she will leave. No questions asked. Agent sent Juliana. She is very pretty smile with beautiful green eyes. Bit saggy tits but a lean tight body. 25. She was so good in bed, I saw her twice.

Tanya, Emma, Ilona from apartments are beautiful. I saw Tanya twice. Buddy saw Nastia, petite spinner blonde who rocked it for him.

Darling night club had some hot ones. Kim with blonde pony tail, Margo petite spinner and one other tall (tattoo on right thigh) dirty blonde were very nice.

Key points to remember 1) Clock watching is expected. 2) BBJ is hard to get but not impossible. Some won't do it no matter, some do it for extra money and some do it if she knows you.

I can go on and on but you get the picture. Kiev is alive and well.

Have fun and be safe.

[Vitrea]

I don't understand why some guys are so negative about Kiev.

I am here now and having a great time. Some people say Kiev may not easy for newbies but I always had fun here, even my first time.

I use a reliable agent. Go to apartments during day, keep a friend ot two from past trips and mix it up with night clubs and just watching eye candy all day. Wow. What a collection of stylish beauties on the street. Only Belgrade has more beauties in one square mile than Kiev. (I have not been to Moscow. Other than that I have covered all major mongering destinations in the world).

Asana and Linda on the first night from an apartment. Solid 8's. Both have Blonde wavy silky hair to die for. Flawless skin and flat abs. Asana is more feminine with see cups but Linda is leaner and taller with A cups.

Next day spent time with a friend who I met last time. She looked amazing. Glad she is still not attached.

Had an agent send a girl. They send body shots and if you approve the girl comes in taxi. If you like her, you keep her. I not pay 200 for the trouble and taxi and she will leave. No questions asked. Agent sent Juliana. She is very pretty. Bit saggy tits but a tight body. 25. She was so good in bed, I saw her twice.

Tanya, Emma, Ilona from apartments are beautiful. I saw Tanya twice.

Darling night club had some hot ones. Kim, Margo and one other tall (tattoo on right thigh) dirty blonde were very nice.

I can go on but you get the picture.

[Volpone]

I also had a favorite that I was seeing twice a week for 2-3 hours each session. The girl is pretty, a solid 8 on a beauty scale, 25 years old and I really enjoy talking to her. She has a boyfriend but he was abroad when I was there, so I was her lover. I was paying her around 600 $ a month, about 75 $ the session.

Last year I had a 23 years old girl for 4 days and 4 nights for 150 euro. Of course I had to pay the public transport, the food at the restaurant (about 50-70 euro). At the end for all that I spent around 200-220 euro. There were a foreseen tip of 50 euro more if everything was ok. Last Winter she went to China to work as a model. Of course I could have given her 400 euro. 4 days = 400 euro, why not! 100 euro a day! But I decided to start low and she agreed to get down her price and to agree with my price and my tip. I could even give her 1000 euro, why not. Or 5000 euro. But Ukraine is one the poorest country in Europe and 150 euro for a girl coming from Nikolaev, it's a month salary. We must be realistic. Win-win is the solution. For her 150 euro + 50 euro, that was still a good deal. Unfortunately if nobody bargains and just agree with the price said by the girls, we will end up paying 3000 UAH for 1 hour.

That's strange to notice that basic erotic massages are around 500-800 UAH for 1 hour. But for sex we pay more than the double. If you look at the prices for erotic massage and sex in Western Europe, the difference is not that big. Around 50-60 euro for an erotic massage in Berlin for 20-30 minutes. Oh surprise, that's the same for sex.

[PhotoSlider]

If Gia is so bad, why are you using them? "would be banned" implies you are currently using them, right? Is there some inside joke I'm missing here?

To take it a step further: Kozerog, your field reports are certainly credible and contain a wealth of valuable info directly from the source instead of theoretical discussions and vanity excercises.

If I am allowed to ask respectfully: when was the last time DramaFree visited Ukraine or used Ukrainian girls perhaps ordered for international travel? Year and a half ago? Longer than that? What makes him an authority on anything besides Tijuana strip brothels on Calle Coahuila, as great as they are? Does praise to Moscow really belong here on Kiev Forum?

1. Ex-GIA girl stays with me for free in Kiev right now. There are the usual living expenses, but nothing compares to having an intelligent beautiful lady 30+ younger than I am for a fifth day in a row, and counting (GIA can laugh all they want). She also works in the office during the day, leaving room for my exploration.

2. Yesterday for 2000 UAH I had one hour with 19 years old student: DFK, DATY, super nice body, even better attitude. Usually I order 2-3 girls a day. Didn't dare to spoil the aftertaste following this sweetie.

3. The day before found a MILF. Looking at her body I couldn't believe she has 19 years old daughter! While ex-GIA girl was asleep, I arranged a 7 hours rendezvous with that MILF this coming Sunday. For free. She is excited, so am I. BBBJ without me even asking for it this Wednesday.

4. Had a tall slim blond at 3 am few days ago. On the first glance she didn't look like much. Boy, was I wrong! She was one of the few that I extended. I was drunk. Without discussing anything verbally we ended up in 69 with her doing tender, skillful and attentive BBBJ. She quickly understood that in my state I couldn't make love any other way, and she relentlessly guided me until CIM. She didn't swallow, she spat on the bedsheet, that my maid washed the next morning. I never had this girl before or after. In the end she had gorgeous happy smile. I didn't discuss those extra options with the agency beforehand (never do, because I can do without, and IMO for DATY girls should pay me), and I certainly didn't pay for extras separately, aside from 2000 UAH hourly fee, that seems like a new standard in Kiev now.

I can continue this list, as I had over 15 girls in 8 days so far. Ordered from my usual consolidation agency, used for pre-filtering instead of mamba. Half of them girls gave me their phone numbers, despite agency explicitly forbidding doing that. Waiting for fresh ones to wake up right now and get delivered to my door.

I will gladly share my info via PM with the following categories of Forum members:

1. Those that have something to offer in exchange.

2. Those who posted meaningful reports.

If you are not one of the above, please do not consider me being a pimp.

Last night Started developing a relationship with Administrator at a nearby restaurant. She is attractive and curious.

For an open minded and well seasoned traveler possibilities are endless in Kiev. Is it cheap and easy? - No. Are there comparable places on our planet? - Yes. Am I happy here right now? Oh, yeah!

[Kozerog]

All this arguing about prices may seem tiresome and a waste of time, but I can assure beginners that nothing could be further from the truth. Kyiv is not well organized for mongering, and so if you don't think out IN ADVANCE exactly what YOU PERSONALLY are going to do as far as prices are concerned, one of two things will happen. Either you get pushed into paying more than you can comfortably afford and then develop a resentment towards Kyiv and write it off entirely like DramaFree11 . Or you miss out on some great prospects because of trying to save an amount of money that is small in the context of your overall trip expenses. Plan your pricing strategy in advance, so that you can focus on more important things when you actually get to Kyiv, like which girls you want.

[Kozerog]

I read the caveat at the end, but once again, I suggest all negotiations should be conducted in UAH! You should not even be thinking in USD or Euros. If the exchange fluctuates, it does not matter; it is not your problem. When in Ukraine, sue the UAH. As many of us have found out, 2000 UAh is plenty to get good quality girls to perform at their best. I you start your bidding at 3000 UAH, you might as well stay home. If you have an unlimited budget, you would not be reading this site.

Of course I negotiate in uah but I'm trying to give guidance that will still be valid a few months after I post. If the uah / usd rate fluctuates and there is local inflation, then all posts in uah terms will be out-of-date and misleading, whereas dollar and euro are stable currencies.

If you are able to get good girls for 2000 uah, by all means report that here so readers can compare with what I wrote and make their own decision as to what they want to offer. I personally would feel uncomfortable offering 2000 uah ($71 now) since I can easily afford 3000 uah ($106 now). Of course, I want 2 hours for that amount, whereas I recall you only care about short sessions, so apples and oranges comparison. Note that I just wrote another post talking about what a cheapskate I am in general, and my funds are definitely not unlimited. However, I prefer to see the same girl 4 hours twice a week, so I can afford to pay a lot those two sessions. Paying well puts a lot of power in my hands, in that she will become addicted to that money and do what it takes to keep me happy. Yes, I know, I'm spoiling the girl. I want her spoiled so that she isn't tempted by other men and I can have her (mostly) to myself.

BTW where is home for you? My official place of residence is a cheap small town in the western United States (though I actually travel most of the year and don't live there much). $106 for two hours with a beautiful well-educated well-mannered girl 35 years younger would be a screaming bargain in that small town, to speak nothing of big cities of the USA.

[Kozerog]

They claim that there is girls lined up just waiting to work for the (KEC/Gia) agency this is just not true.

What was claimed, by me among others, is that girls working for the hidden agencies (agencies masquerading as independents on mamba and elsewhere) would prefer to be working for KEC / Gia because of better working conditions. The hidden agencies have much cheaper rates, and thus appeal to bargain hunting mongers, many of whom are "difficult" customers: they demand lots of vigorous sex in different positions as quickly as possible to get their money's worth, they don't wash properly or eat too much garlic or smoke or for some other reason smell bad, they are disrespectful to the girls, etc. So the girls at the other agencies would rather work for KEC / Gia, but not all are able to work for KEC / Gia and thus there is a waiting list, was what we claimed.

The fact that there is waiting list does not imply the girls at KEC / Gia are high quality. It merely implies they are better than the girls at the other agencies. Maybe the girls at KEC / Gia are medium quality and the girls at the hidden agencies and in the waiting list are low quality.

Sorry Gia, is laughing at us and they do not monitor this site, if that was the case I would be banned from Gia. Stop drinking the Kool Aid.

If Gia is so bad, why are you using them? "would be banned" implies you are currently using them, right? Is there some inside joke I'm missing here?

[Kozerog]

Prices are what they are and will remain dynamic changing with supply and demand based on seasons and girls needs, this forum should be more geared to locations of pickup spots and lounges.

Well, yes, but one of the things you have to do, prior to any business deal, is get some idea of acceptable price ranges. (Unless your budget is unlimited, on which case you just pay whatever price the other person asks.).

Someone here made a typo about 200 uah / hour rather than 2000 uah / hour, and of course everyone jumped on him and said that was unrealistic. Imagine if he met a nice semi-pro prospect in person, and she liked him and was ready to go ahead with the deal, and then he came out and offered 200 uah / hour. She's more likely to walk off in disgust, unwilling to listen further, than to hang around bargaining him up to 2000. Turkish rug market tactics just don't work well when negotiating for sex, especially with semi-pros. So you need to make a good first offer.

If you want a LTR, which is what I want (and have with my jewel), and you don't have unlimited funds, you need to walk a fine line between offering too little, so that the girl isn't happy, and offering more than you can afford in the long run, so that you are unhappy. If either party is unhappy, price will eventually have to be renegotiated, which is a problem if you need to negotiate down because you can't afford the original rate. No girl likes to feel that she is worth less after the man gets to know her than before, so better to err slightly on the side of underpaying initially, then raise the rate later. "Under promise and over deliver" is usually a good rule in long term business dealings.

Another thing, just because entry level salaries in Kyiv are like 50 uah / hour (under $2/hour) and 250 uah / hour (under $10/hour) is a good salary, rates for sex work operate in a different world. As I reported before, I spent less than $40/ day living in Kyiv this past summer, not counting girls ($25/ day rent, $8/ day food, $7/ day other), so it's not like I'm a big spender. But at the same time, I paid my jewel almost $5000 over the course of the summer (the number I gave previously was wrong, I've since calculated more precisely from notes I kept) and I'll probably pay $6000 over the course of next summer. Summer in Kyiv is my only sex all year, my jewel gives me what I want, I don't want to bother with finding a replacement for her, and $6000/ year is well within my budget, especially since I'm such a cheapskate about everything except girls. (Much of the year I camp out in the mountains and pay nothing for rent and live in bread, peanuts, chocolate and other cheap trail food.) There are many other men throwing money at these girls as well and there'll be more such men in the future as China, India and the Muslim world all become richer and surplus males from those countries travel to Ukraine to see if white girls are really that special. If you can get the girls you want cheaply, go for it, but be aware that you have competition and the prices the competition is willing to pay is ultimately what sets rates, not Ukrainian average starting or mid-level salaries.

Finally, just in case newbies read this message not not older messages, Kyiv is best thought of as a place for older foreign men to get a much younger woman (or harem of younger women) as a non-exclusive paid mistress (meaning she also has sex with local men her own age and perhaps with other foreign men). If you just want one-shot bangs, rather than LTR, Kyiv is probably not a good place, unless you can afford KEC / Gia prices.

[Stevie69]

I read the caveat at the end, but once again, I suggest all negotiations should be conducted in UAH! You should not even be thinking in USD or Euros. If the exchange fluctuates, it does not matter; it is not your problem. When in Ukraine, sue the UAH. As many of us have found out, 2000 UAh is plenty to get good quality girls to perform at their best. I you start your bidding at 3000 UAH, you might as well stay home. If you have an unlimited budget, you would not be reading this site.

I completely agree. So here's my advice to average newcomers to Kyiv, who have a limited budget, regarding pricing for semi-pros from Mamba. Start with offer of $100 for 1-2 hours. If you like the girl and want to see her longer, offer $150 to extend to 3-4 hours. If the girl initially had an high opinion of her value and demanded $100 for a single hour and you agreed to that, then she probably won't agree to extend to 4 hours for $150. But you should be able to extend to 2 hours for $150, unless she had prior scheduling commitments. Next visit, try to get her to accept $150 for 3 hours, and eventually you might be able to push her to 4 hours for that amount.

Most semi-pros in Kyiv will be highly tempted by $150 for 4 hours from a repeat client who wasn't unpleasant, unless they are very short of time (university student, young child, full time job, etc). If shortage of time is the problem, maybe try to accommodate her schedule by letting her arrive in work clothes and relax a bit at your hotel or apartment before sex.

I'm aware that not everyone wants that much time, whereas I prefer longer sessions twice a week rather than shorter but more frequent sessions. Fire those newcomers who prefer shorter seasons, advice can be shortened to "offer $100 for an hour of sex"..

[Michi T]

Has any senior members seen this girl? Any reviews on her?

https://www.eurogirlsescort.com/esco...%5B0%5D=europe

She wants me to fly her to Batumi, Georgia.

I not see that. But alarm bells ring imediately. I have bad feelings when I see that website. Reminds me to the Scam in Poland with Odoloty etc. In addition, Georgia is another trigger that rings my bells!

[MagicSheep74]

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[YerevanBatumi]

Has any senior members seen this girl? Any reviews on her?

https://www.eurogirlsescort.com/esco...%5B0%5D=europe

She wants me to fly her to Batumi, Georgia.

[Wingwang]

I'm up for sharing the legit and good girls we find on Kiev.

https://t.me/joinchat/HNPXAw7tQXsDc-RTFYGsIQ is a channel for sharing information.

I am not able to open the chat link.

[Michi T]

...Sure you'll see beautiful looking girls in Kiev, but they are not available. ....

Really? Why not?