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  1. #17125

    Thanks

    You are welcome. I try.

    Quote Originally Posted by Vitrea  [View Original Post]
    Saludos Stevie69. Thank you for the excellent report. Great job and good for you! When I am on the computer, I will post it on reports of distinction.

  2. #17124

    The pro to non-pro continuum

    Girls have told me that nearly all girls are pros, as if it was common knowledge, not all that surprising. Those of us who remember the old Rive Palace will recall how it got incredibly packed in December (before the holiday season) and July (before vacation season). The surge in numbers was because of regular girls who needed a little extra money. Everyone has a price. Oligarch daughters expect a new car. Regular girls, a little less than that.

    About the numbers, the cheap pros, who have sex 5 times per day, and even the expensive pros, who have sex with anyone for 100-200 USD (the price LV pays) a few times per week, probably rack up some serious numbers. However, the semi-pros in the middle range are relative virgins.

    Most of them try to develop small groups of regulars. Even 4 local regulars, each paying 500 AUH once per month, make a huge difference to a young woman's income. Foreigners are far more lucrative. In my 3 trips this year, I have dropped at least 15,000 UAH on a single girl. She has a regular job, so this was all extra cash for her. If she has 2 or 3 other regulars who go once or twice per year each, she could nearly give up her regular job.

    Of course, if they keep that up for 10 years, the numbers start to add up. However, it is still less than the numbers of Manhattan party girls who hit the nightclubs bars to pick up men every weekend for 12 years (18-30) before thinking about "settling down". They just do not realize that by the time they are 30, or worse, 35, it is way too late, as they are competing with unspoiled 22-year-old girls. But I digress.

    Do their partners know? A few girls are married and it seems the husband chooses not to know how the wife makes all that extra money. "Do not ask, do not tell". Most a single mothers, and they do not have anyone to be accountable to. The young ones are students, with young boyfriends who are not serious and besides, these guys cannot afford to buy them anything. In their minds, it is not even cheating. Of course, there are a few who are in love, but in general, in Eastern Europe, women are far more open to the idea of sex for money. They grow up thinking that the man is the supplier (of money and the woman is the provider (of sex).

    Once I picked up a girl who claimed to like me but would only go as far as a BJ "because she had a boyfriend", but was happy to accept 200 UAH "for her taxi". A girl told me that if there an option between two guys, one for free and one for money, she would choose the latter. Another girl told me that if she likes the guy, then it is not really prostitution; the money is just the man's way of saying "thank you". Rationalization and plausible deniability are powerful tools of self-deception.

    Quote Originally Posted by JonathanPine  [View Original Post]
    It's always with great pleasure to read your reports. Highly informative. And I completely agree with your approach.

    Do not overpay. This is so important but a lot of foreign guys just don't seem to get it. We think we're being generous and kind and can easily afford it. But in their culture men need to be strong and firm otherwise girls will lose respect for the men. Just because we can afford it doesn't mean we have to.

    By the way I have a question, if most girls in Kiev are semi pros and sleep with guys so easily, how many sexual partners do typical Ukrainian girls have? The number must be astronomical! And surely local guys know all about it. How do their boyfriends and husbands feel about this? Surely most of the girls you and other punters sleep with have boyfriends or husbands.

  3. #17123
    I returned from Kiev yesterday and here is my brief review about 6 days stay in Kiev. As soon as I arrived contacted my old contacts, 6 out of 8 were out of country (4 of them in Europe 2 in Turkey). I made a decision to take an advantage of this and meet new girls. After browsing a couple hours in mamba met with a 22 years old spinner. Paid 150 $ for 4 hours (dinner and sex). Next day met with 2 girls from tinder, since we didn't click just had lunch with them. For a dinner went to White terrace kelembet with my old friend from Amsterdam and we met group of 3 girls there, got their phone numbers and instagram accounts. One of them invited us to go City Beach club next day. Spent all day in City beach club, met another 21 year old girl there and had sex with her in changing room for 100 $. For dinner we went to Avalon and met group of guys from Sweden since they were fun we decided to go CHi next day all together, called and made table reservation (7000 uah minimum spend requirement for a table for 6). Chi was super fun and had blast there but discovered that less working girls than my previous visits. Managed to take one tall blonde home with me at 3 am, she was asking 300 $ first but after agreed for 200 $. She stayed all night with me and we had breakfast together. Saturday night went to Dali Park, almost every other girl in this club is semi pro but older age group (25 and up). Took super skinny redhead home for 200 spent 3 hours with her and since was super tired and wanted to sleep sent her home at 5 am. Spent all Sunday in Olmeca with a girl from White Terrace and got BJ from her in bungalow.

    During my 6 days in Kiev I discovered that not many good quality girls in mamba as used to be. Girl I met in White Terrace told me that most of her friends in vacation and she was invited to travel to Europe also next week. When weather was nice beach clubs (City beach club, Olmeca) were packed with hot girls, but you need to have a great look, wingman or have a game plan to meet girls there.

    I'm going back to Kiev for a work early September, if anyone would like to meet or hangout send me pm.

    Sam.

  4. #17122
    Quote Originally Posted by JonathanPine  [View Original Post]
    It's always with great pleasure to read your reports. Highly informative. And I completely agree with your approach.

    Do not overpay. This is so important but a lot of foreign guys just don't seem to get it. We think we're being generous and kind and can easily afford it. But in their culture men need to be strong and firm otherwise girls will lose respect for the men. Just because we can afford it doesn't mean we have to.

    By the way I have a question, if most girls in Kiev are semi pros and sleep with guys so easily, how many sexual partners do typical Ukrainian girls have? The number must be astronomical! And surely local guys know all about it. How do their boyfriends and husbands feel about this? Surely most of the girls you and other punters sleep with have boyfriends or husbands.
    Good quality girl don't sleep with everybody. Prostitute do. The fact that somebody to boost his ego try to consider them semipro, because they do this once a week. And how did he know that? They told him and he believed them). 1500 for one hour with normal service is 50 dollar. So 2 hours 100. He's already overpaying for mediocre to normal girl, because if I not see any evidence they are beautiful I suspect they are not.

  5. #17121
    Quote Originally Posted by JonathanPine  [View Original Post]
    It's always with great pleasure to read your reports. Highly informative. And I completely agree with your approach.

    Do not overpay. This is so important but a lot of foreign guys just don't seem to get it. We think we're being generous and kind and can easily afford it. But in their culture men need to be strong and firm otherwise girls will lose respect for the men. Just because we can afford it doesn't mean we have to.

    By the way I have a question, if most girls in Kiev are semi pros and sleep with guys so easily, how many sexual partners do typical Ukrainian girls have? The number must be astronomical! And surely local guys know all about it. How do their boyfriends and husbands feel about this? Surely most of the girls you and other punters sleep with have boyfriends or husbands.
    They are prostitute. They have nothing to do with semipro or sponsored girl who you can't obtain or meet if your daytime or street game is completely zero like the OP said.

    This will speak volume about the rest of post I read. The lack of any photos to show facts to all those " beautiful I read " is another topic we could start.

  6. #17120

    Stevie69

    Saludos Stevie69. Thank you for the excellent report. Great job and good for you! When I am on the computer, I will post it on reports of distinction.

  7. #17119

    Correction

    I just added a short comment on GIA, but it is not up yet. I just wanted to add a correction. They start at 3000 UAH.

    http://gia-escort.com/ru/girl/dominika3

    And at least a couple at 3500 UAH.

    http://gia-escort.com/ru/girl/kristina8

    http://gia-escort.com/ru/girl/aleksa1

    Is sex with the 6000 UAH girls really twice as good?

    And again, remember, about half goes to the house.

    Quote Originally Posted by Jojosun  [View Original Post]
    Never used them, phoned them back in 2009 just out of curiosity and the woman who was answering the phone really needed a crash course in customer relations, put me off. The old FSU & Communist type of handling a simple inquiry from a potential customer as they knew no matter what they were secure in their jobs.

    Now it sounds she's still there or another woman with the same unpleasant phone manner.

    She must be either one of the owners or well connected to them.

  8. #17118

    GIA comment

    I think GIA is fairly honest. Yes, the photos are photoshopped, but these days, people do that even for their Christmas photos. A benefit is that all their services are clearly outlined, so there are no surprises. Compared to what some guys are paying here, the prices are not so bad, but they have gone up. I just checked and they now start at 4000 UAH. However, remember that 50% goes to the house. Half as much ought to be plenty for an independent university student, or a young single secretary or cashier girl.

    The site states explicitly not to ask for the girl's number, but they cannot regulate what you do in the privacy of your own place. I have used GIA in the past and if everything went well and they enjoyed the experience, the girls were amenable to sharing their phone number and then meeting privately for nearly a 50% discount. It was not quite 50%, however, more like a 50% + 300 to 500 UAH.

    Quote Originally Posted by Sorbonne  [View Original Post]
    I also have some memorable experiences with Gia girls over years. The problem is of course the high cost.

    But I was not aware that Gia practiced bait and switch. Never happened to me. I thought they thrived on the trust customers place in them.

    But I do believe they photoshop girls, even though they insist that they don't.

    Also, when I send them some nasty reviews on girls, they don't post them.

    All in all, they are not entirely trustable.

  9. #17117

    Stevie69

    It's always with great pleasure to read your reports. Highly informative. And I completely agree with your approach.

    Do not overpay. This is so important but a lot of foreign guys just don't seem to get it. We think we're being generous and kind and can easily afford it. But in their culture men need to be strong and firm otherwise girls will lose respect for the men. Just because we can afford it doesn't mean we have to.

    By the way I have a question, if most girls in Kiev are semi pros and sleep with guys so easily, how many sexual partners do typical Ukrainian girls have? The number must be astronomical! And surely local guys know all about it. How do their boyfriends and husbands feel about this? Surely most of the girls you and other punters sleep with have boyfriends or husbands.

  10. #17116

    Gia.

    Quote Originally Posted by Sorbonne  [View Original Post]
    I also have some memorable experiences with Gia girls over years. The problem is of course the high cost.

    But I was not aware that Gia practiced bait and switch. Never happened to me. I thought they thrived on the trust customers place in them.

    But I do believe they photoshop girls, even though they insist that they don't.

    Also, when I send them some nasty reviews on girls, they don't post them.

    All in all, they are not entirely trustable.
    Never used them, phoned them back in 2009 just out of curiosity and the woman who was answering the phone really needed a crash course in customer relations, put me off. The old FSU & Communist type of handling a simple inquiry from a potential customer as they knew no matter what they were secure in their jobs.

    Now it sounds she's still there or another woman with the same unpleasant phone manner.

    She must be either one of the owners or well connected to them.

  11. #17115
    Quote Originally Posted by Vitrea  [View Original Post]
    Thank you sir. Kind of you to take note and reply. You are a good man.

    It is true that there were frequent good reports about Gia in 2016. I had High hopes. As I mentioned before, of the 20 plus girls me and my friends had, the Gia girl was the only one we sent back! It is either extreme photoshop or a bait and switch. It does not matter. Gia is tempting so if you use, make sure you tell the madam that you will send the girl back if she is not as beautiful like in the photos. I put it that way because there are reports of Gia clearly sending who is not in the photos but still pretty. So most guys would keep them. A beauty is a beauty.
    I also have some memorable experiences with Gia girls over years. The problem is of course the high cost.

    But I was not aware that Gia practiced bait and switch. Never happened to me. I thought they thrived on the trust customers place in them.

    But I do believe they photoshop girls, even though they insist that they don't.

    Also, when I send them some nasty reviews on girls, they don't post them.

    All in all, they are not entirely trustable.

  12. #17114

    Play by play report

    Here is more of a play by play report.

    I arrived in the afternoon. The taxi sharks attacked as soon as I stepped out into the public area. Just for laugh, I asked: "only" $20 USD said one, and 400 UAH another. Last time I left, my girl booked me a taxi for 180 UAH. I gave the guy 200. Anyway, I exchanged only a $20 and then went to the pretty SIM card girls to get a local number. It was only 180 UAH, and the phone lasted for my entire visit. I took the shuttle to the metro for only 50 UAH, the Metro for 4 UAH for 8 stops and walked 150 m to my apartment. On the way, I stopped at another currency exchange (one that I know has a good rate, better than at the airport) so I could pay for the place. At the apartment, the owner, a hot young MILF, was waiting for me.

    During the trip, I sent a few texts and emails to some of my girls. When I arrived, I unloaded and made some plans. After a little rest, I went out for a walk to enjoy the sights. The city girls were as lovely as ever! A few simple things make an amazing difference in women: a nice dress, some high heels, and 25 Kg less!

    I then came back to wait for one of my girls: beautiful, 33, and amazing sex. Yes, 10 years ago she probably looked better but maybe she did not know how to fuck. Anyway, that was it for my first day. I gave her 1200 UAH. We agreed to meet again and for her to set up dates with 2 of her friends: a 25 year old former dancer, and a 19 year old student. They do not speak any English. I do not know if this girl gets a commission or is just a good friend. We had threesomes with her and each of her friends last time, but this time I wanted them one-on-one.

    The next day, I eventually hooked up with a girl that I had missed last time. We had flirted a lot online, and she had sent me lots of photos, some of her performing fellatio. Not really the thing you want to see, maybe. I do not know. We met at 7:00 pm. , after she finished her regular work. As I mentioned before, in Kiev, it is easier to get sex at 5:00 am Than at any time before 5:00 pm She showed me some photos and she was shockingly beautiful back in her day, but now she was almost borderline. I assume she was in her late 30's, and it showed. However, she absolutely loves playing with a cock, working herself into a frenzy. It is strange to have sex with a woman while you keep thinking of how much more beautiful she USED to be. Anyway, it was a little weird, but it was mind-blowing sex.

    A couple of hours later, I had a chance to redeem myself. I had a date with a lovely 19 year old student. Tall, beautiful, perfectly smooth skin, firm everywhere, and without a gram of extra fat. In contrast, however, she was very passive at first. We kissed and made out for at least 10 minutes before any clothing came off. I was a great experience, for a different reason. I was inspired by her beauty and enjoying every moment of it. Unfortunately, she did not speak any English. The date was set up by her friend, and we had had a threesome before, but this was her first time one-on-one with me. I gave her 1800 UAH. We met 3 more times during my stay, one of them in a threesome.

    Anyway, so it went. The first few days I was focused on girls I knew from previous trips, girls that I had not quite met on previous trips. I figured for the former, I knew what I was getting, and for the latter, I had already done a lot of the legwork. As the days passed, I shifted my attention to their friends, and yes, new girls.

    The hot under-25 demographic was difficult to crack. Actually, I should be more specific. It was hard to crack independently, using only the internet, and for a reasonable price. I do not know if it was because it is the summer and prices naturally go up, or because you guys have been paying too much and raising the prices.

    However, I had success using previous contacts. As I mentioned, it was my third trip this year, and I have a small group of delicious girls who give me what I want for a reasonable price. They all have friends. According to them, nearly all women in Ukraine are semi-pros. My strategy was to invite the friend for a threesome. The friend comes with a good attitude, expecting a good time, and generally agrees to do everything the previous girls already did with me (no covered BJ, full kissing, money after the fact, etc.). Then, I can invite the new girl alone, or together, depending on the availability, and my mood. Another benefit is that birds of a feather stick together. University girls know other university girls. I know a girl who is a former dancer, now a fitness girl, and she brought me a delicious fitness girl for some mutual pleasure. Anyway, my point is that it is possible to break into the top shelf girls (under 25, gorgeous, and not hardened pros), and for a reasonable price (1000 to 2000), but it takes some work.

    I tend to agree with some guys who have mentioned this before: restaurants, cafes, malls, and the street are actually better for getting a hot girl for a reasonable price than the internet. Any girl who sits near you or stands near you is interested in making contact. As it has been mentioned here, nearly all girls are semi-pros, and you will soon find out. Instead of setting up a date and waiting until the third date to invite her to your place, do so in the first date, even when the first date is a coffee just after you meet.

    I would not want to paint an unrealistically rosy picture. There were some setbacks. For example, I rejected a delicious girl after she was already at my apartment. She wanted the money up front (they always do) and refused to accept half before and half after (they usually do). Unfortunately, experience has taught me that after they have the money in hand, the service goes down unless they really think that you are a long-term repeat customer, and they do not really believe that you are a repeat customer until at least he second time. So, paying ahead is a losing proposition. She was a brown-haired sweetie in the early 20's. That is too bad!

    I rejected another girl at the door to my building. After extensive negotiations, she eventually arrived. She was very nicely dressed, and her body looked great in an elegant little minidress. Her face was average but not too bad. Her teeth, however, were not only stained from smoking, but full of tartar. How difficult can it be to floss once in a while? I immediately imagined the last guy's sperm stuck between her teeth. I figured I would get a covered BJ and would not kiss her at all, and her body was great, so I could do it from behind. She gave me the excuse I needed to reject her when she asked me to pay her driver before coming up. I gave her one chance to change her mind and left her.

    I left another two girls at the door because they did not look at all like their photos. Despite repeated warnings, they had sent me fake photos. Maybe it was them 5 years and 10 Kg ago. I do now know, but it is not my problem.

    I guess I was acting a little cocky. I had my regular girls, who could easily give me a great vacation just by themselves, and at the same time, I was working on their friends, so I was not going to accept new girls below par. Anyway, the point is that if you do not have time, you may have to agree to whatever shows up at your door.

    A seriously beautiful 25 year old girl from my previous trip was playing hard to get. She was like a young Megan Fox, without facial acne. When I arrived, on a Thursday, she replied that she had to go to Paris, and would be back on Tuesday. I really doubt it. She was just pointing out that she was "high quality" and was trying to raise the price. Last time, she had tried hard to get $200 USD for 2 hours, but eventually settled for 2000 UAH for one hour. Eventually, I got her next Wednesday, when she "returned from Paris". Again, she eventually agreed to 2000 UAH. The sex was good. It took some time to get her going, but she did get into it and enjoyed it for a while. So did I. However, her ego was always in the way. As soon as we finished, her attitude changed. Obviously, you guys have been paying her too much, and in her own mind, she thinks she deserves $200 for 2 hours. Anyway, it was too much about money for my taste, so I just deleted her number after she left. Oddly enough, she called me on the day I was leaving.

    I worry about girls who are in it only for the money. The cause is clear: you guys have paid too much before and now they know they can eventually get whatever they ask. Those stories or Dubai port-a-potties are shocking, but we do not have to go that far. The ones that refuse to negotiate with anyone make me wonder who have they fucked and what have they done for the right amount of money. I prefer to limit myself to normal Ukrainian girls, who are a little more selective and they just need and expect a little money for their sexual favours.

    Contrary to what others are saying here, I had a good experience for under 1000 UAH, from a girl for top models. Usually, I do not even try to bother with girls under 1000 UAH, but her photo looked real, so I called. We switched to Whatsup and she sent me other photos. She was busty, with long brown hair, only 22, and beautiful. I repeatedly told her hat if the photos were not real, she would be sent home. Anyway, she agreed to come but then added: "$ 100 USD". I simply replied with "the web site says 800 UAH". I figured the deal was over, but 20 minutes later I get another message "1300 grivna plus taxi". I waited a while, and I replied "Use the metro. The web site says 800". Another 20 minutes pass. I am sure she was weighing other options. So was I. Eventually she agreed. I was certain the photos were going to be fake and was ready to send her home, but I was shocked when she showed up. We had a little argument about paying before or after and agreed on half now, half later, and she insisted on a covered BJ. The sex itself was pretty good. Once she got into it, she forgot that she was doing it for money. I ended up giving her 1000, and I saw her two more times, once alone and one with one of her friends. Every time, I paid only 1000 per girl per hour. That is another reason to negotiate hard. Once you settle on a price, it becomes the benchmark for future encounters.

    I went to "Club Bosphorus" once, just because it was the middle of the week, I could not sleep, and there was no cover charge. The girls were very nice, but wildly overpriced. As I mentioned before, some of these girls can be had for a lot less earlier in the evening. In one of my previous trips, I once paid a girl only 1000 UAH earlier in the evening, and a few hours later I saw her again in full battle gear (high heels, elegant minidress, nails, hair and make-up) at "Club Bosphorus", but now she was asking for $100 USD. Of course, she got it from some idiot.

    One Friday night, I went to Sorry Babushka. I do not think nightclubs are the best place to meet girls, but I just like to watch girls dance. I did not have success this time. Actually, smaller venues are probably better. Sports bars or English-style bars give you a better chance to interact. I also found two open air salsa parties, one at Taras Sherchenko park and another one in Podol, near the river. Of course, you have to know how to dance salsa. If you do know how to salsa, however, it is like shooting fish in a barrel.

    For one long weekend, I went to Dnipro. I was a little concerned about missing some action in Kiev, but it turned out to be fine. I had a few "marriage material" girls to meet, girls with whom I had already emailed, chatted, and / or video chatted. Surprisingly, they were far more interested in actually meeting me than similar girls in Kiev. I have come to Kiev with the intention to meet girls who are supposedly interested in marriage, but when I arrive, they suddenly "play hard to get". They are out of town, they cannot meet today, they work early the next day, etc, and the days pass and we do not meet. In Dnipro, one girl I met actually figured out the obvious: the best way to a man's heart is via his cock. We were having sex less than one hour after we met. For another one, it took a second date. Yes, I am planning to see them both again. About the pros, one of my regular girls in Kiev put me in contact with a friend in Dnipro. A good recommendation was enough to overcome our communication problems, and we had a great time. In four days there, I only met 2 other pros. By the way, the price is about half that of Kiev, but the likelihood of finding anyone speaking English is also lower.

    Anyway, in summary:

    -I personally prefer semi-pros, girls who have sex for a reasonable price anywhere from one per week to once per month just for a little extra money. Of course, I do not really know. Maybe I like girls who give me that impression. I do not like pros at either end, the ones that have sex 5 times per day, nor the ones that are willing to have sex with anyone for the right price (usually one or two hundred USD per hour). Between these two extremes, there are tens of thousands of beautiful girls in Kiev.

    -It is better to visit often and establish a set of contacts that give you good sex for a reasonable price. Then ask them for referrals. On average this time, I had a little over 2 girls per day, an about one in four were new girls.

    -it was weird that with very young girls, under 22, I immediately felt as if I wanted to take them out of the market permanently and marry them. I did not! But if I lived there, I would be definitely tempted. Something about trying to protect and own unspoiled beauty.

    -Be aware of the prices. High class pros at Gia start at 3000 or 3500 UAH, and half of that to the house. Normal girls in regular jobs make as little as 6000 UAH per month. Surely one week's wages is reasonable pay for one hour of work. Excellent sex for gloriously beautiful girls under 25 years old is possible for 1000-2000 UAH.

    -So, I completely disagree with the main naysayer here. It seems like if they were back home (wherever that is), they would only have sex with $2000/ per hour pros. Maybe that is what millionaires and corrupt politicians pay, but not what regular men pay. Yes, that is essentially what they are saying: 2580 UAH ($100 USD) is about half of a month's wages. Even back home (wherever that is), imagine how quickly the price for high-class pros would go down if the market would be flooded by ALL women over 18 years old.

    -I believe that, other than the attitude and the price, there is not much difference between a high-priced pro and a sweet university student or young single mother. In Kiev, the high-priced pro and the 1500 UAH student or young single mum are sometimes the same person, at different times and circumstances. To compensate for the elegant minidress, the designer high heels, nails, make-up, taxis, and cover charge, and because they know they can get more from desperate foreigners late at night at the Caribbean, they triple or even quadruple the normal price.

    -Venues where foreigners are less common are better. That is true not only for nightclubs and bars, but also for cities. For example, in all the years I have been coming to Kiev, I have had sex with girls who were seeking marriage only twice. It also happened twice in Dnipro, but just in 4 days.

    -If you are the outgoing, chatty type, you could really kill in Kiev. I am not, but I do force myself when I am there. Why? Because the girls are better, they will not sue you for sexual harassment, and they actually appreciate the attention of men.

    -It is not only the I am cheap, but there are other reasons to make sure you do not overpay. The girls will respect you more if they do not think you are a stupid foreigner. The girls will come back for more. The fact that they need to return means that the sex will be better. I dealt with this in a previous report, so I will not repeat myself.

    -People who are willing to pay $200 USD per hour should definitely just stay home. Actually, the same goes for those willing to pay $100 USD per hour. $100 CAD, AUD or NZD? That is okay as an upper limit. Actually, people who think and allow negotiations in terms of foreign currencies should just stay home. This is Ukraine; the currency is UAH, and 6000 UAH is a basic salary for a month.

  13. #17113
    Quote Originally Posted by DionCassius  [View Original Post]
    I had two girls in January 2016 but they are no longer listed on their site: Mary and Nastia (they have another Nastia now but mine was a blonde one). Their services and attitude were pretty good (without being stellar) : very good be be be J by both but Nastia was overall a bit more enthusiastic, on the other hand she left a bit too early.

    The booking has to be made by phone and the woman who answered was not the most pleasant nor the most helpful.
    Thank you sir. Kind of you to take note and reply. You are a good man.

    It is true that there were frequent good reports about Gia in 2016. I had High hopes. As I mentioned before, of the 20 plus girls me and my friends had, the Gia girl was the only one we sent back! It is either extreme photoshop or a bait and switch. It does not matter. Gia is tempting so if you use, make sure you tell the madam that you will send the girl back if she is not as beautiful like in the photos. I put it that way because there are reports of Gia clearly sending who is not in the photos but still pretty. So most guys would keep them. A beauty is a beauty.

  14. #17112
    Quote Originally Posted by Vitrea  [View Original Post]
    I had couple of negative experiences with GIA. See my detailed posts.

    I am willing to change my mind hoping that my experiences are an exception but please give details if you can. Names, accuracy of photos, service quality etc. They are an escort agency with photos on the internet so need to worry about privacy issues. Without details, your definition of good time may not apply to others. Thank you.
    I had two girls in January 2016 but they are no longer listed on their site: Mary and Nastia (they have another Nastia now but mine was a blonde one). Their services and attitude were pretty good (without being stellar) : very good be be be J by both but Nastia was overall a bit more enthusiastic, on the other hand she left a bit too early.

    The booking has to be made by phone and the woman who answered was not the most pleasant nor the most helpful.

  15. #17111

    Strip clubs

    Visit last week doles and harem both places cost 5000 gr for 2 girls. Harem is better girls.

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