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[PhotoSlider]

Thanks for your reply about "kissing" in massage places.

I will try to have them to my place so that we can have more freedom...

This time I didn't make it to "Relax" on Pushkinskaya, next to Premiere Palace, where I had good service since 2014, and met nice ladies, - two of them are true friends today. Not sure if Relax still exists, as at one point Natasha said it was up for sale. Recently one of their managers, also a friend of mine, quit from there.

After visiting erotic boutique on Maidan, I made an honest attempt to get erotic massage once. And failed. First of all I was 1 hour late after calling them at:

https://body-studio.com.ua/en/

Then I wasn't impressed with line up. Understandably it was early in the morning, by Kiev standards. Tried to go with the best available, felt her attitude, as I am no Brad Pitt. Asked manager about DATY, being 99.999% certain I would get refusal, and left without regrets, knowing that for about the same money I'll get FS to my apartment from "Consolidators" only 30-90 minutes later. And I had time.

This was an extent of my erotic massage adventures in November 2017, - one lame effort, that didn't come to fruition. Sometimes I get massages without letting them jerk me off, because I need a massage, and I have another real encounter lined up soon. Ladies in Kiev, being conscientious providers, always take it as a personal insult, and demand an explanation. "You made me come, I want you to be happy too! This is not fair!

That place next to Maidan had a fake hidden service ad on their website, where you could rent a full hotel, not a huge one, but still. With masseuses and security. For additional fee you could gag and whip and slap around administrator, dressed in latex, leather and such, and then burn down the hotel. Don't remember the price - $100 K, or a cool million. What a party to remember, huh?

There was a great blonde from Poltava at that place. She gave me the phone number in 2015 after passionate kissing on-site, answered her phone few times in the following days, and then we drifted apart. She claimed not having a nice enough dress for going out being the reason.

[KY694]

Thanks for your kind offer, Rugan. I had 28 girls in 20 days, 25 of them new. Some shared phones / Viber contacts for freelance activities. Obviously few misses here and there, yet many hot ones. Lots of students. Can share info, but would understand your reluctance if you are not in Kiev anymore. Wish I read this sooner, but as you can imagine- it takes a lot of self discipline to focus and concentrate, while in Kiev. Reading ISG and meeting you crossed my mind, but "I got distracted" so to speak.

Stayed at the nice apartment $51/ night next to Avalon. Sometimes within the 5-6 hours had 3 different girls strolling along with me towards the apartment while Avalon employees were watching from their back entrance.

Left on 21st, and am now in what I jokingly call "rehab after Kiev festivities". Tried to hire a secretary as you did. One HR lady in Kiev accused me of fishing for an escort..

Thanks for your reply about "kissing" in massage places.

I will try to have them to my place so that we can have more freedom.

Congrats for your success in Kiev.

I read some of your previous posts. Can you break down for us where did you find these 30 girls?

You have a HR looking for talents for you? You found them in massage places, Rio and apartments?

Or you also looked through mamba for non / semi pro?

Except 1-2 exception that you paid 2500/ night, for other girls you paid 300 $/ night (Rio)?

I am curious.

[Guntherus]

Speaking about "bait and switch", fake pix, etc.

Photo Slider, Why can't I send you personal message?

[Raffzahn]

Does this also work in England?

Well, I haven't checked any UK city, but it worked well for me over the past 20 years. Not only in large cities, but places like Coventry or Sheffield. Heck, it even worked in a place called Bracknell, somewhere west of London, and that's AFA I'm concerned not even a city.

Ofc, the scene in England is a bit more complicated, as brotels arn't legal, AFAIK. Ofc, girls work in their apartments, and some join and something llike a 'pop up brotel' is created, but how long this stays acive does quite much depend on how the local police force handles this. Nonetheless, cabbies are the number one source to find you way if you're not local or otherwise well informed.

[PhotoSlider]

Lida is another one along the same lines:

http://kievlady.com/modeli/11235

One morning she arrived in a "casting cab" with other girls, having a tired look after a long night. I didn't pick her, and provided feedback to dispatcher. And few days later saw Lida again in all her irresistible glory. Pictures are real, so is the price, and so is fun with her.

[PhotoSlider]

Speaking about "bait and switch", fake pix, etc.

This 5'11" may not be 20 yo, but she is hot and for 1800 UAH +100 taxi = 70 USD -- can it be any better?

Great attitude, awesome breast! Her short hair might be a turn off for adamant and spoiled ones. It actually made me even more horny. She is exactly as you see her in these pix!

I would meet Viola again and again, but my objective, as you could guess, was to meet as many freshly minted new ones, as humanly possible.

If you cannot read Russian, open it in Chrome, and it'll offer to translate automatically:

http://kievlady.com/modeli/11170

[PhotoSlider]

Does this also work in England?

Half a million population in my metro area. Freshly printed issues of Playboy and Hustler at every 7 x 11 promise adventures around the corner, so do Asian massage parlors with gorgeous ads and old filthy workers behind their front desks.

Both regular cab drivers, and Uber ones know nothing about supposedly abundant and easily available objects of desire.

[AntonySun1996]

It works that way in every city in every country (not sure about Varican state). They always know the business. After all, the ladies and their customers are one major business source. They need to take a taxi before and after each job. Business men needing a recomendation are a standard issue.

Try it today in your home town (assuming it's a bit larger than three houses). Take a cab and when seated, ask what services he could recomend. No cover story needed).

Does this also work in England?

[PhotoSlider]

Hi!

I've just read 43 pages of this topic and I'm excited for my trip to Kiev: the Is it really that easy to just ask a taxi driver? Or do you have to find taxis at a certain location?

I will be in Kiev the first week in December. I speak fluent Russian. As I have to stay with people, I cannot host. However I don't mind getting a hotel room if the opportunity presents itself (can only do daytime). Is my best shot asking a taxi driver? I do have some game but logistically not having a place of my own makes things difficult.

Thanks.

Well, then change the rules of your game and do have a place of your own. I would rent a cheap separate apartment and occasionally "go for a walk", - meaning you tell your people that you'll be away for few hours, and make your arrangements whichever way you like. Rio takeout, call girls, street hunting, inviting masseuses to your "palace of love", luring waitresses with a promise of glamour and maybe a gift, etc. AirBnB can be as cheap as $30-50/ night.

[PhotoSlider]

Hello,

I have met a lot of girls in Kiev. But I have never tried take away from strip clubs.

I tried it in Riga one time and when we come to my Hotel the girl wanted more money. This was not agreed before when we was in the club.

So this is what I wonder about.

When you take a girl from for example Rio and pay for this 300 $. Is then all payed for or not?

Any experience from Rio or Harem guys?

Thanks Ola.

Never paid extra for Rio girls, not even taxi fare. They usually managed it by asking to leave sooner, explaining something along the lines: "What else are we going to do?" and expecting you to be a nice polite person. Being a mischievous kind, I usually counteroffer with request for a foot massage and a blow job.

[PhotoSlider]

Thanks for the report.

I have a stupid question.

In some massage places, you can pay extra to get "kiss".

But the webpage does not explain if it is the girl kissing your body / you kissing the girls' body / mutual lip / mutual french kiss.

I am of course looking for french kisses.

I have read a few websites from massage salons, none of them give an explanation.

You may certainly ask the manager prior to ordering particular massage services. I usually go with the flow, and instead of paying upfront, warm up the girl, and if the chemistry is there, then it's all you want except for intercourse. Even better to order massage services at your place, then you are not watched / filmed and on couple occasions I received full service without discussing the price. I did compensate properly, and saw that both ladies left excited and content.

[PhotoSlider]

Are you still in Kiev? I pinged the moderator and I can pay for your membership, which I'd be happy to do.

I figured yet another potential way to pay for much coveted premium membership. I can send 20 or even 40 bucks by regular mail within US, not a personal check, but simply a few banknotes. If it's lost, then so be it. Don't want to be an "el cheapo", fishing for Rugan's funds. Need a street address, or P. O. box within US. Whoever wants to sponsor in exchange for Kiev mongering methodology that worked for me again and again. Criticism is welcome, please say: "You suck!" I won't be insulted or intimidated.

And it was 30, not 28 girls! Forgot about couple MILFs.

Two out of those 30 I would never ever touch again, because of their appearance, yet I did. Rugan may explain why. And 3 more were beautiful, yet one was kicked out after 2 days stay because of attitude. The other two were either lazy, greedy or dishonest.

And overall in these 3 weeks, at least 10 took me straight to heaven!

The pinnacle of the trip were two "stereo" events, that is two separate threesome arrangements. The first one with a well known young lady friend, and a newbie, very entertaining And the other "stereo" ended up in bed only as a twosome, as the girls started competing beforehand instead of cooperating, I also had too much champagne.

Cheers!

[PhotoSlider]

Are you still in Kiev? I pinged the moderator and I can pay for your membership, which I'd be happy to do.

Thanks for your kind offer, Rugan. I had 28 girls in 20 days, 25 of them new. Some shared phones / Viber contacts for freelance activities. Obviously few misses here and there, yet many hot ones. Lots of students. Can share info, but would understand your reluctance if you are not in Kiev anymore. Wish I read this sooner, but as you can imagine- it takes a lot of self discipline to focus and concentrate, while in Kiev. Reading ISG and meeting you crossed my mind, but "I got distracted" so to speak.

Stayed at the nice apartment $51/ night next to Avalon. Sometimes within the 5-6 hours had 3 different girls strolling along with me towards the apartment while Avalon employees were watching from their back entrance.

Left on 21st, and am now in what I jokingly call "rehab after Kiev festivities". Tried to hire a secretary as you did. One HR lady in Kiev accused me of fishing for an escort. I thought she's fat and ugly herself, and is jealous of all the fun young beauties have while nobody is looking at her anymore.

I had more luck with what I call "Consolidator Service Provider" for 1700-2000 UAH / HR. Also had one girl twice for GFE multiple hours, including BBBJ and more true passion for 2500 UAH total for a whole night (6 pm-4:30 am on the first encounter), met her as a roommate of my prior acquaintance. That was a rare exception though. Been to Rio twice, got there a phone number of 19 yo hottie. Didn't like Scarlet, IMHO it's a milking machine without any soul. Rio is better, Mandarin was the best, YMMV, as tastes differ.

To be continued.

[Raffzahn]

Is it really that easy to just ask a taxi driver? Or do you have to find taxis at a certain location?

It works that way in every city in every country (not sure about Varican state). They always know the business. After all, the ladies and their customers are one major business source. They need to take a taxi before and after each job. Business men needing a recomendation are a standard issue.

Try it today in your home town (assuming it's a bit larger than three houses). Take a cab and when seated, ask what services he could recomend. No cover story needed).

[Raffzahn]

30000 grivnas every month! That's probably more than what I made when I was a student in Germany.

That's less than 1000 Euro at actual exchange rate. Are you sure you studied in Germany?