Kyiv

[Limarian]

Day 5.

Attending to business.

-I had read much about the 'Salon des Fleurs'. I wondered why they charged so much more than average and while I am not much of a pervert myself I did notice they offer various exotic options including 'penetration' however this turns out to be some misunderstanding in translation apparently. As was made clear to me later. After what seemed like a formal interview by the Madam I was given the choice of three unexceptional but perfectly serviceable young ladies. Carolina was pleasant enough and her oily ministrations between the breasts and so on brought me to a climax. I stepped out into the cool of the fresh Kiev evening air to stroll back along the generous boulevards in a state of deep physical and mental relaxation.

All the oiliness must have touched a libido nerve somewhere as on returning to the apartment I realised I had enough Viagra still coursing through my veins to attempt a re-entry. I rang one of the particularly pretty girls on the Relax website called Inna. After being kept waiting, phoning, being put off etc. Presumably by her agency, I was told to go downstairs to let her in. The two harridans that were waiting were not like the pretty girl of the photo's and I turned my back on them. 'Phoning the agency I was told 'Inna not work today'why tell me now when I already booked her', 'sorry no English'.

I rang Allure and stressed the need for a pretty one. 20 minutes later Polina arrives-not a pretty one. Quite a large girl possibly pregnant, smelling of cigarettes and rather sweaty. Anyway the Viagra has a mind of its own and rising to the occasion I drilled a neat little hole in the woodwork.

Day 6

Can't remember.

Day 7

Relaxed, reading John LE Carre. A Delicate Truth-not one if his best-stiflingly Edwardian in style.

An excellent blow out at Mocco in Kreschatic Passage; Russian salad, Chateaubriand steak with asparagus, mille feuille pastry, herbal tea, 2 coffees and a coffee liqueur. A meal like that in the UK probably £80-here £35.

Day 8.

Visited Dolly massage place, (fabulous spacious interiors in these old buildings) and met the pretty 19 year old Eva. A very pleasant massage with me for ever hoping to excite one of these girls to do more than just the standard 'no sex' erotic offer. She slowly opened up a bit after my gentle persistent kisses to her breasts and thighs and ever so gentle, tentative touches and light strokes to her kitten. So exciting to feel her gradually get wet there but that was as far as I was allowed before the drawbridge was pulled up. I came under her patient fingering anyway and we had a lovely chat about this and that. As before, I walked out completely mentally and physically relaxed. These girls here really are very pleasant and nice, you can't help but feel sorry for the state this country has got itself into when the people you meet seem genuinely deserving of a better chance.

Anyhow, I won't be using Relax again and in the past with both Mamba and Top modals I have had the same bait and switch experience. I think I will have to be patient in future-looking for girls in the clubs or hoping for recommendations from Field Reports on this site.

[Limarian]

Day 3.

Hired a professional guide who took me for brunch then on a taxi drive round the town pointing out points of interest. Torrential rain put the dampers on walking about but was most impressed with the Podol district-superb architecture. Taxi was refreshingly cheap 150 uah for a couple of hours.

Afternoon. Attending to business.

Evening eating. Relaxing.

Day 4.

Attending to business during the day then a trip to Rio in the evening. I visited all three floors and although one or two of the 30 girls, supposedly there, were stunning I wasn't turned on by the atmosphere-it was all slightly mafiarish, slick, soulless and over securitised. So I proceeded in a northerly direction to Red Lion which I had much enjoyed in the past, hoping to find the talented and gymnastic Margoa with whom I had experienced such joy in the past. I was the only person there, the place was deserted. Tania the hostess said business was not that great. I can't say any of the nine girls was much of a turn on. However I did allow all nine to crawl all over me for 50 uah a time and I did have a more intimate private dance with Svetlana who I suspect would have effed like a mink if I had been inclined to cough up the requisite $400 for a take away -which I wasn't. Went back to the apartment and booked Marina from Dolly- an older but trim lady with a professional no- nonsense approach to the job. I had -an excellent hard massage, a wank and happily relaxed. I give her the chocolates I had thoughtfully brought as a parting gift.

[Limarian]

Day 1/2.

Arrived at around 12 on the Wizzair flight from Luton. Relatively easy- although they still don't seem to be able to handle the idea of priority passengers. Usual high tension crap of 'phone not switching to roaming and taxi not turning up on arrival, together with bank closed for changing to uah. Visions of spending the night or longer on the floor. 'Information' desk particularly unhelpful, refusing to phone hotel for me. Eventually taxi shows, saying he had been there all the time-liar! Checked in to Partner Guest house on Baseina and despite my resolutions to get a good night's sleep I called Allure and waited for Jana. I fell in love immediately. Not only did this nineteen year old have a lovely slim body and sweet nature, she was wild in the bedroom. Lucky me. Sometimes you have the good fortune to find a pretty girl but not often one who knows how to really please you. After a spell pleasuring her sweet smelling little kitten I realized this just wasn't going to work-the lateness, the flight and my mid sixtieness were making more than a limp wristed response out of the question. Maybe more stimulation was needed. I booked her for a further 600 uah hour and asked her to phone a friend-who duly turned up. But rather than enhancing the situation this whale woman just made it rather depressing-in spite if their joint kissing and fondling. I dismissed her, got Yana to wank me and fell asleep at 4 am waking at 8 am. Phoned Allure again for a wake up testosterone replenished massage and a blurry eyed Yana turned up again snuggling up and falling asleep in my arms. Then pleasuring me softly. After which I have to admit I fell asleep in a state of contented drowsiness 'till the evening when I ventured to the Bila supermarket and returned to gorge on a large cheese omelette and finish my excellent Boris Johnson book on the Churchill Factor.

[DruidFire]

DruidFire,

Thanks for this message. I was wondering where you went, ha. Still awaiting your response to my message when you get a chance.

AZN.

Sorry! I thought I had answered everyone. Just sent it. Has anyone used topface to meet girls? One of the Kiev girls I know recommends it.

[AZN Monger]

Hi everyone!

For the first time today I checked my inbox and found several messages that I should have responded to earlier. Sorry for that. I will check my inbox much more regularly. I sent to all of you the Mamba profiles you requested and a short blurb about each girl. (I hope it's not too late for your plans) I'm afraid to send phone numbers without their permission. Thanks to one of you for sending his girls' profiles and their numbers, but I'm afraid to cold call them. And if they ask how I got their numbers, I really don't want to say "internet discussion board. " Yeah, I'm sure they know but maybe they are still sensitive about that sort of thing. Or maybe they aren't but I'll still assume otherwise. So I'll send them a message first and they can see my pics and profile and decide if they want to meet with me. And we can avoid awkward discussions.

I loved Kiev so much that I will be there again Oct 18 to 25. Would be great to meet up with anyone there at the same time.

DruidFire,

Thanks for this message. I was wondering where you went, ha. Still awaiting your response to my message when you get a chance.

AZN.

[NightOwl69]

Way too much work and cash goes into hunting girls in Kiev to post on the thread. .

I agree with you 100% and that is my point. If we both spend too much time and money in hunting why not share. It seems every one spend much time and money and ends up with a girl that had been had by some one in this forum. I am not suggesting sharing in forum but by pm. What I was thinking of is something like keeping lnks / contacts of girls we been with and might not reheat and pass this links on. Or even ask the girls if you could pass their no on. After all most of the girls do hook us up with their friends and no one here complains about it.

Cheers.

[Riina]

The forum is after all about sharing information and not only boasting about conquests. I think if there is no way we could exchange information there would be no point of the forum.

Best to just pm supportive members your intel. Way too much work and cash goes into hunting girls in Kiev to post on the thread. I don't think girls mind if you share their numbers with serious hobbyists. A call in Kiev confirms you are in Kiev plus you can text your photos. You can infer things like I have two beautiful American roses to gift.

[DruidFire]

Hi everyone!

For the first time today I checked my inbox and found several messages that I should have responded to earlier. Sorry for that. I will check my inbox much more regularly. I sent to all of you the Mamba profiles you requested and a short blurb about each girl. (I hope it's not too late for your plans) I'm afraid to send phone numbers without their permission. Thanks to one of you for sending his girls' profiles and their numbers, but I'm afraid to cold call them. And if they ask how I got their numbers, I really don't want to say "internet discussion board. " Yeah, I'm sure they know but maybe they are still sensitive about that sort of thing. Or maybe they aren't but I'll still assume otherwise. So I'll send them a message first and they can see my pics and profile and decide if they want to meet with me. And we can avoid awkward discussions.

I loved Kiev so much that I will be there again Oct 18 to 25. Would be great to meet up with anyone there at the same time.

[Moski]

I recently contacted two member by PM asking to exchange contacts of mamba girls. I wrongly assumed such information would be fine to share.

One member ignored my message and the other made an excellent point. He said girls do get upset when their number is shared.

My question is, is there away around it? Like maybe sharing a link to a mamba profile (or what ever internet site you originally found the girl) via PM, or something like that.

The forum is after all about sharing information and not only boasting about conquests. I think if there is no way we could exchange information there would be no point of the forum.

Almost all of us go through the same cycle every time, write to a girl, set a meeting, discover its agency or the girl give bad service or what ever, then finally find a good non-pro, meet her few times and start the whole cycle again. At the same time other members are doing exactly the same thing.

So why not share information or recondition (links) about the ones you have been with. And most probably you are not going to see again ;0). Or even the ones to avoid etc.

Any thoughts?

Cheers.

Agreeing with your point / s NightOwl69, I have shared many of my contacts with others and others have shared their contacts with links to Mamba, travelgirls and vk only.

No need for tel nr etc, I also have avoided scams and not my type girls from this inform and helped others scams!

Cheers Moski.

[NightOwl69]

I recently contacted two member by PM asking to exchange contacts of mamba girls. I wrongly assumed such information would be fine to share.

One member ignored my message and the other made an excellent point. He said girls do get upset when their number is shared.

My question is, is there away around it? Like maybe sharing a link to a mamba profile (or what ever internet site you originally found the girl) via PM, or something like that.

The forum is after all about sharing information and not only boasting about conquests. I think if there is no way we could exchange information there would be no point of the forum.

Almost all of us go through the same cycle every time, write to a girl, set a meeting, discover its agency or the girl give bad service or what ever, then finally find a good non-pro, meet her few times and start the whole cycle again. At the same time other members are doing exactly the same thing.

So why not share information or recondition (links) about the ones you have been with. And most probably you are not going to see again ;0). Or even the ones to avoid etc.

Any thoughts?

Cheers.

[Moski]

Yeah, I'm sure they want it both ways, meaning a young handsome guy who also gives them money. I'm 46, and while I think I'm pretty good looking and athletic, I'm still 46. Back home, it would be enormous work to get a pretty 26 year old. Doable after many attempts and a long time, but certainly not easy. And offering money to young college students here (meaning in the US) will probably not increase my chances all that much (although, yeah, even here in the US it's happening more and more.) In Kiev it, offering money improves your chances quite a bit. But it won't make it 100%. The whole idea of Mamba is that they want to see *your* picture too.

Hi DruidFire, Please check your mail box I think its full you need to delete some message I have sent you 2 messages but no reply.

Thanks.

Moski.

[DruidFire]

If they are picky about the guy they would sleep with. Not *too* old or *too* ugly.

Then, it's like them got picked up somewhere, and they want to find somebody they like and they want to get paid for it.

So you can't just pay them and expect to have sex.

One girl told me that she once ran away from a guy she just met.

You go figure why.

Yeah, I'm sure they want it both ways, meaning a young handsome guy who also gives them money. I'm 46, and while I think I'm pretty good looking and athletic, I'm still 46. Back home, it would be enormous work to get a pretty 26 year old. Doable after many attempts and a long time, but certainly not easy. And offering money to young college students here (meaning in the US) will probably not increase my chances all that much (although, yeah, even here in the US it's happening more and more.) In Kiev it, offering money improves your chances quite a bit. But it won't make it 100%. The whole idea of Mamba is that they want to see *your* picture too.

[Riina]

While in Kiev last month, I was trying to get an idea of how many "semi pros" are out there. I asked the one girl that I was with every night and she seriously estimates that "at least" half of all college age girls in Kiev would trade sex for money. I don't know if that's true, but it's what she said and she was certain of it. .

I think that's a reasonable estimate. If you ask a Kiev taxi driver what percentage of girls in any random club would trade sex for cash, most will estimate about 70 per cent. But lots of conditions would have to be met and most foreigners are automatically disqualified.

[AColonizer]

About your reports and Raffzahn's reports.

1 - I don't trust in women's stories because of an obvious reason: it is like to believe Eva's story of apple.

2 - Each work has its own risks: in fact how many mongers got a scam?!

3 - When 99% customers were Ukrainian and Russian more than 15 years ago, a prostitute of that time (she started at 13 years-old) said to me: if customers were not fully satisfied, then she was not paid, and in that time a prostitute did everything a customer wanted in an agreed time (and often, over). Therefore these girls of nowadays are very spoiled and with no technical skill (who still performs the karoleski miniet or the anal fisting?) and with no professional rules.

Hahaahaaaaaa. . . . . .

You know what. . . . . . she sent me SMS in in Russian telling me that she still wanted to meet and wanted to meet today.

So I called her back to say that I couldn't meet today, but we can meet tomorrow. And she volunteered that she'd take the metro this time, even after I told her, it's ok you can take a taxi because now I know what's going on and I'll pay for it.

She came this afternoon and her attitude couldn't be better!

She also asked for money upfront because she said she got screwed before because some guy didn't give her money afterward.

Is that one of those guys you were talking about, understand no sh*t about FSU culture and thought they got free sex?

Or they just had no intention of giving money.

[Horny Monger]

If they are picky about the guy they would sleep with. Not *too* old or *too* ugly.

Then, it's like them got picked up somewhere, and they want to find somebody they like and they want to get paid for it.

So you can't just pay them and expect to have sex.

One girl told me that she once ran away from a guy she just met.

You go figure why.

Some are more cautious about it and are too frightened to have a Mamba profile. Some may picky about the guy they would sleep with. Not *too* old or *too* ugly.

Anyway, maybe off topic but definitely interesting.