Stupid Shit in Kyiv

[Blood Red]

A russian disniformation troll. What I would like to know is how much this guy is paid? How is he paid? Does he work in some building with more of his kind? Does he enjoy his work?

You have no argument. Walk on home, boy.

[Blood Red]

Name one entity NATO has attacked without provocation since the history of its existence.

Ummm. Libya?

Why is every former eastern bloc country now a part of NATO except for Belarus? The existential argument is complete nonsense.

This is all because one tiny man with a very large ego can't appetite the fact that his way of rule (note I did not use the word governance) has been rejected by the entirety of the free world. What exactly are his justifications for attacking Georgia?

Ukraine and Georgia joining NATO were Russian red lines, this was clearly stated at Bucharest in 2008 by Putin.

but you will lose the war of attrition. People have never accepted subjugation throughout history and it's not going to start now. It's not going to happen tomorrow or next month but Russia will lose.

You live in lala land. And I don't think you understand what a war of attrition means. Russia is conducting a war of attrition which is why it's winning. What matters in a war of attrition?

Artillery.

Manpower.

Russia has a huge advantage in both, this is why Ukraine is losing and will lose.

[John Clayton]

You do not seem to be aware of the reasons why Putin launched the SMO. Before I list them, ... may God punish them one day. God bless the Ukrainian people.

CEASEFIRE NOW!

A russian disniformation troll. What I would like to know is how much this guy is paid? How is he paid? Does he work in some building with more of his kind? Does he enjoy his work?

[FilthyBeaver]

Name one entity NATO has attacked without provocation since the history of its existence. Why is every former eastern bloc country now a part of NATO except for Belarus? The existential argument is complete nonsense.

This is all because one tiny man with a very large ego can't appetite the fact that his way of rule (note I did not use the word governance) has been rejected by the entirety of the free world. What exactly are his justifications for attacking Georgia?

We're not going to change each other's minds so I'll end with this. If you come to my house and try to take it without giving me compensation that I alone agree to, one of us is going to die. If you already have a house hundreds or thousands of miles away, filled with kids, wife, girlfriend, whatever, you don't personally want my house and want to go home ASAP. You can't win, you don't want to win, you don't care. There will be plenty of give and take, but you will lose the war of attrition. People have never accepted subjugation throughout history and it's not going to start now. It's not going to happen tomorrow or next month but Russia will lose.

You do not seem to be aware of the reasons why Putin launched the SMO. Before I list them, I just want to state that I really do not have a horse in this race. I'm neither Russian or Ukrainian. I am commenting purely from a neutral perspective, after getting fully aware of the facts because the western mainstream media is pure evil that just lies.

The reasons for launching the SMO were:

1. To force neutrality from Ukraine and it never joining NATO, which is an existential threat for Russia. Almost worked, the Ukrainians were ready to accept neutrality and say no to NATO in Istanbul 2022 until the collective west (Boris Johnson sabotaged it).

2. Denazification.

3. Demilitrization.

4. Guarantees for the safety and autonomy to the Russian speakers in Eastern Ukraine, and in particular in the Donbas.

So the above are the main reasons for the SMO. I hope you see how this scenario is different from Afghanistan in 1979, which was indeed a mistake and the Russians had no business being there and they paid a price with their defeat, just like the Americans did almost 22 years later.

If his army is a paper tiger, then why did the NATO backed and armed Ukrainian army fail miserably in the counter offensive in 2023? They only took 1 village, think about it, and lost tens of thousands of NATO trained men and billions of dollars of equipment.

[Blood Red]

Ukraine should have taken the deal in 2022.

They were about to until that awful Boris Johnson flew to Kiev, told Zelensky to say no to any deal and that NATO and the west will back Ukraine to the very end. And fast forward to today.

May these warmongers in the collective west rot in eternal hell for taking Ukraine down the primrose path just to feed their greed (military industrial complex) and to make Russia bleed. Sure, Russia is hurting but Ukraine will cease to exist and has had entire generations wiped out and is wrecked.

[Blood Red]

So his stated goal of removing nazis and being laughed out of bucha in the first few months were a dream of mine? I'm not pro anything, I'm looking at facts and correcting ignorance. How are removing the "nazi regime" and proping up a pro soviet government in Kabul different?

I can't wait to hear this answer.

He's only interested in what he's interested in now because his army turned out to be a paper tiger and he can only hope to hold these areas as he hasn't a prayer of taking the rest.

One of the things that came with my erectile dysfunction is age, experience, and living though a significant amount of history. Pick almost any conflict in history that ended in a war of attrition and I'll show you an aggressor that lost. If you don't understand this I can't help you.

You do not seem to be aware of the reasons why Putin launched the SMO. Before I list them, I just want to state that I really do not have a horse in this race. I'm neither Russian or Ukrainian. I am commenting purely from a neutral perspective, after getting fully aware of the facts because the western mainstream media is pure evil that just lies.

The reasons for launching the SMO were:

1. To force neutrality from Ukraine and it never joining NATO, which is an existential threat for Russia. Almost worked, the Ukrainians were ready to accept neutrality and say no to NATO in Istanbul 2022 until the collective west (Boris Johnson sabotaged it).

2. Denazification.

3. Demilitrization.

4. Guarantees for the safety and autonomy to the Russian speakers in Eastern Ukraine, and in particular in the Donbas.

So the above are the main reasons for the SMO. I hope you see how this scenario is different from Afghanistan in 1979, which was indeed a mistake and the Russians had no business being there and they paid a price with their defeat, just like the Americans did almost 22 years later.

If his army is a paper tiger, then why did the NATO backed and armed Ukrainian army fail miserably in the counter offensive in 2023? They only took 1 village, think about it, and lost tens of thousands of NATO trained men and billions of dollars of equipment.

We will see how much more territory the Russians take. The longer this goes on, the more territory the Ukrainians will lose and the more Ukrainian men will die needlessly and the worse deal they will get. There are clear signs of a potntial Ukrainian collapse on the frontline in the coming weeks and months.

I have nothing against Ukraine or Ukrainians. As a matter of fact, I have met some very decent and kind Ukrainians, men and women. My GP in Sydney is a Ukrainian, an amazing man. I'm neutral in this. I'm calling for a ceasefire to stop the killing and this madness. This war should NEVER have happened. I blame the collective west for taking Ukraine down the primrose path with false promises of joining NATO and the EU, only and only to make Russia bleed. These people are pure evil (The collective west), may God punish them one day. God bless the Ukrainian people.

CEASEFIRE NOW!

[AntonySun1996]

Give me an example of how the intelligence services are "causing problems. "

Want examples? Just randomly throw a tart onto a world map.

Euromaidan and the whole series of subsequent dramas are the masterpiece of the Victoria Nuland gang and CIA's work. After ruining Ukraine they wanted to copypaste it in Hong Kong in 2019 and Belarus in 2020, but failed miserably.

And then those warpigs in Washington lecture you how Russia and China are aggressors.

[FilthyBeaver]

If you think foreign intelligence isn't involved in decapitating the black sea fleet you are badly mistaken. We won't know the whole story until 20-30 years after it's all over. A la hardy boys, air America, wind talkers, etc. Unfortunately I won't be around then. Give me an example of how the intelligence services are "causing problems. " No generalities, a real problem.

Wow! You are smoking the same crap XMan is smoking. The CIA and the MI6 have been causing problems in Ukraine for over 10 years now, probably longer. You guys are in serious denial, this is part of the reason for the war.

[DramaFree11]

It takes 2-3 years for intelligence services to do their own various assessments before they start funneling actionable tactical support. Up to now it's only been strategic. Give it another 6-12 months.

Wow! You are smoking the same crap XMan is smoking. The CIA and the MI6 have been causing problems in Ukraine for over 10 years now, probably longer. You guys are in serious denial, this is part of the reason for the war.

[AntonySun1996]

Ukraine just can't win this war. It's running out of manpower. Just look at Ukraine's demographic chart. There are pretty much no military age men left. The US can throw as much billions of military aid they want, but the Abrahams and F16's aren't going to drive themselves. It will just prolong the pain and suffering before the inevitable defeat.

Ukraine should have taken the deal in 2022.

[FilthyBeaver]

It takes 2-3 years for intelligence services to do their own various assessments before they start funneling actionable tactical support. Up to now it's only been strategic. Give it another 6-12 months.

The CIA and MI6 has failed miserably in Ukraine. The country is slowly being destroyed and taken over.

Any Guerrilla warfare will result in more death and destruction. Russia will not pay games with Ukraine, they will just take more lives and territory.

[FilthyBeaver]

So his stated goal of removing nazis and being laughed out of bucha in the first few months were a dream of mine? I'm not pro anything, I'm looking at facts and correcting ignorance. How are removing the "nazi regime" and proping up a pro soviet government in Kabul different?

I can't wait to hear this answer.

He's only interested in what he's interested in now because his army turned out to be a paper tiger and he can only hope to hold these areas as he hasn't a prayer of taking the rest.

One of the things that came with my erectile dysfunction is age, experience, and living though a significant amount of history. Pick almost any conflict in history that ended in a war of attrition and I'll show you an aggressor that lost. If you don't understand this I can't help you.

Afghanistan and Eastern Ukraine are like I said apples and oranges. You also are ignoring the fact that Putin does NOT want to conquer all of Ukraine, despite what the pathetic main stream western media tells you. He is only interested in what is east of the Dniper + Odessa, all the territories that are historically Russian and have large numbers of ethnic speaking Russians. Now if he tried to conquer western Ukraine like Lviv, then I agree with you, he will face a fierce resistance. But he has no desire to cross the Dniper at this point other than to take Odessa.

[Riina]

Ukraine CANNOT win this. They are out of manpower.

Excellent post. I see a lot of fresh Ukrainian men in my US city and it is sad to know sick bastards in the West are scheming how to get this fresh meat back to the motherland.

[Blood Red]

BloodResd, XMan lives in a fantasy world, do not pay attention to him. I honestly think he believes war is a Video Game, and you can just re-set when you are losing.

Ukraine was played by the west and the Euros, what a waste.

Ukraine never had a chance, they could have gotten decent deal at the beginning, but they choose to push there luck. Now they will end up with almost nothing, and if they do not surrender quickly the will lose everything. Those that are crazy enough to believe Ukraine will be able to continue with a guerrilla war are in.

In complete denial.

What I find astonishing that a lot of Pro Ukrainian folks still don't get some very basic things:

The collective west is interested in PUNISHING and hurting Russia, NOT in helping Ukraine win. Hell, Lloyd Austin said this in 2022, that America wanted to weaken Russia, he said nothing about Ukraine winning.

This is about feeding the military industrial complex using Ukrainians as cannon fodder. The western leaders have said so many times, shamelessly, that is is Ukrainians dying, not their people. These people are sick.

Ukraine CANNOT win this. They are out of manpower. The collective west doesn't have the weapons in the quantity that Ukraine needs, nor can they produce them in the amount that Ukraine needs. The longer this goes on, the more territory Ukraine will lose, and another generation of men will die for nothing. For Gods sake, talk peace for once.

[Blood Red]

Nobody is going to change anyone's mind but are you guys not aware of history? Our Vietnam, their Afghanistan. Far superior forces lost a war of attrition to a much less powerful force over the course of a decade. Russia went in to support a soviet friendly government that was largely unpopular, the only difference between then and now is the the Ukrainians already threw out the Russian friendly government. Guess what happens in about 10 years from now? Putin will be dead, do you think the next guy wants this headache, that he didn't start? I believe putin was driving a cab around the time the afghan war was winding down so maybe he didn't have the time to grab a newspaper and learn something. Then again the info was all state controlled so maybe I can't blame him for being ignorant here.

I generally agree that it will be very difficult if not impossible for Ukraine to get any of the seized land back and I doubt very seriously that it can be done militarily but it is absolutely possible politically. As Ukrainian special forces establish guerilla tactics on land, the Russians will get tired of dying over time. They have already, very successfully, rendered the black sea fleet useless. Why couldn't they do the same on the ground? When you're fighting for your very existence you can do a lot more than the side that has no idea why it's there. The CIA thrives in proping up local governments in situations like this. The Ukrainians will get all they need to make Russians in the occupied territory miserable for as long as they want.

Afghanistan and Eastern Ukraine are like I said apples and oranges. You also are ignoring the fact that Putin does NOT want to conquer all of Ukraine, despite what the pathetic main stream western media tells you. He is only interested in what is east of the Dniper + Odessa, all the territories that are historically Russian and have large numbers of ethnic speaking Russians. Now if he tried to conquer western Ukraine like Lviv, then I agree with you, he will face a fierce resistance. But he has no desire to cross the Dniper at this point other than to take Odessa.