Kyiv

[Muddy7]

What the hell are you doing in this Rio Club.

Everybody of the Rio stuff is laughing about the tourists.

Who are paying the Rio prices for a low service.

Rio is a place for crazy and silly tourists.

I agree, for that price they should at least provide bareback blow job.

[Muddy7]

As am mentioned I had very little success in Arena, Shooter, Caribbean Club, Buddha Bar, Rio, Gia, Mamba etc.

So 3 days into my 5 days trip I started to use Tinder, it proved a little more successful. I received about 20 Matches in in about 24 hours, and specifically targeted a beautiful blond named Maria.

s.

What's the link for Tinder and travel clubs?

[MagicSheep74]

Thank you for your candid but balanced opinion.

I will checked out bcngirls. The ones I like are $200 euros plus for one hour. Not a major issue as I am only mongering for few days but on the same token $300 USD for two hours from Rio does not seem bad.

You guys know if Rio girls stay for two shots and at least 2,5 hours or bail after one pop? I am sure some of it depends on the girl but I am asking what is the norm, if there is even one.

I know GIA girls are on a strict clock.

Trying to make some local contacts and screen some independents from intimgirls and topmodels and cross reference with Kiev-x reviews but that is not easy.

Hi mate,

I sampled Rio on 2 occasions over a 7 days period. I asked the manager specifically if he could point out any girls that spoke English, which he happily did.

I took one girl for a private dance first just to check out the goods, then asked her to join me for a drink. After establishing some chemistry I asked if she was available for outcall.

The first girl I took out left with me at 1 am and returned to the club for 5 am after multiple shots.

The second girl and I left around 12 and she woke up in my hotel bed at 8 am the next day in a complete panic, haha. I think the girls are supposed to get back to the club for closing time.

Of course it's a tourist trap and $300 is a dreadful price, but to be honest it was one of the only places I actually had a good laugh in Kiev.

I would advise you to have a couple of drinks with the girl first before putting out 300 bucks. The last you want is to get back to your apartment / hotel to discover she is a emotionless Ukrainian robot.

I wish you luck with your trip, if you have not yet booked your hotel, I would definitely recommend the ' 11 Mirrors Design Hotel, next door to Rio. It was pretty cool.

Cheers.

[Muddy7]

Rio girls were 3 hours for $300.

Before you pay them you need to tell them $300 for 3 hours, otherwise they will leave sooner so they can return to the club for more clients.

Thank you for your candid but balanced opinion.

I will checked out bcngirls. The ones I like are $200 euros plus for one hour. Not a major issue as I am only mongering for few days but on the same token $300 USD for two hours from Rio does not seem bad.

You guys know if Rio girls stay for two shots and at least 2,5 hours or bail after one pop? I am sure some of it depends on the girl but I am asking what is the norm, if there is even one.

I know GIA girls are on a strict clock.

Trying to make some local contacts and screen some independents from intimgirls and topmodels and cross reference with Kiev-x reviews but that is not easy.

[Vitrea]

Thank you for your candid but balanced opinion.

I will checked out bcngirls. The ones I like are $200 euros plus for one hour. Not a major issue as I am only mongering for few days but on the same token $300 USD for two hours from Rio does not seem bad.

You guys know if Rio girls stay for two shots and at least 2,5 hours or bail after one pop? I am sure some of it depends on the girl but I am asking what is the norm, if there is even one.

I know GIA girls are on a strict clock.

Trying to make some local contacts and screen some independents from intimgirls and topmodels and cross reference with Kiev-x reviews but that is not easy.

I understand what you mean.

You could try the Gia Escort Kiev, they will happily send you a decent looking girl to your Apartment / Hotel.

Or you could walk into Rio Strip Club and take a girl back to your hotel for $300. Is it worth it financially? NO, but it's easy.

But please do not expect anything like Colombia. South Americans girls in general tend to provide a better service and are much more fun people.

For getting independents around to your accommodation I would thoroughly recommend Barcelona / Spain as a destination.

Use this site- www.girlsbcn.net , and you find many good looking Latin and EE girls who will be happily to entertain.

If you still feel you must try Ukraine, set you sights real low and you will maybe be lucky enough to be pleasantly surprised. For me personally, Kiev is just a lot of hard work with very little pay off. My personal time is precious so I prefer cities that are already set up for a easy and efficient mongering experience.

Cheers.

[LesPaul80]

I once had a GF in Kiev (almost 10 years ago now). And now they started with direct flights from my city for very cheap money. So I will start going there because I really love the hunt. And from reading the forum I reckon it's still the hunt even though many complain it's too hard hunting grounds for everyone to reap "models", whatever that word means.

My first trip will be in some weeks. So I already started what now seems to be mandatory: Mamba + Tinder, but also added Seeking Arrangement to the mix for more variety.

For comparison I'm in my mid 30ies Swede looking like a hipster with beard. Without beard I look 10 years younger. Been elite training when young but now kinda average build but broad and strong shoulders, back and arms. Also very dominant in nature. But got good sense of humor usually in most settings.

So far I found several contacts on all 3 platforms. Everyone, even the really high end girls (obvious Dubai riders with all handbags in the world), kinda quickly want to switch over to Whatsapp. Some are typically stale and few worded as noted in the forum before.

I quickly learned to not talk too colorful and more simple direct sentences. Basically only two different archetypes that I reckon: The bubbly girl that talks a lot using smileys. The firm angry ones using mostly yes / no and smileys only after hours of chatting. Like they need to break the ice before getting personal.

From the current contacts the ones being 18-20 years are more toward the bubbly side while older (25-30) seem to be the hard silent type.

Most things that have been said about how the Ukrainian girls are see true. I never remember my girlfriend being like that. But she worked for a international company and earned good euros herself. So a bit different in comparison to most women in Ukraine that I can reach on these sites.

Mentioning money or meeting them too fast seems indeed not a good idea. Most girls seem, so far, to look for something serious. At least that is how they behave. And I think having a relaxed way and normal date-hunting-with-quick-reward is the way to go where you need to put up some support sooner or later. Works fine for me. But the result needs to show itself first.

I'm going to report back of my adventure that's upcoming. Also supply pictures of the ladies I've started talking with but censor them accordingly. And only put them up after I'm done since others can potentially find them on said sites while I'm there.

But pics (even a bit censored for her sake) is important for others to measure. Scales and numbers are useless in a relative world.

Looking forward to write a review on my take on Kiev now 10 years later.

[Irish Lad]

To many of us, Kiev will always be a special, somewhat magical city. I cannot describe the fun, craziness and excitement this city have generously provided. For those of us lucky enough to visit 10+ years ago, it was a wonderland of beautiful girls available at silly prices.

But, reading back through the last 30 pages of this thread, there is one common theme "KIEV ISN'T WHAT IT USED TO BE! " And it isn't and probably never will be again.

For many reasons, most of which probably won't change, the prices have gone up, the talent has evaporated and without conversational Russian and a contact network, it just isn't a place to visit if you expect easy hookups at affordable prices.

So I propose this:

1) Let's all assume and understand that the Kiev of today is the Kiev of today. Comparisons to its past glories are irrelevant and valueless to mongers visiting now.

2) Treat Kiev fairly, as it sits within the global P4 P market, and judge it based on the prices available today, not on what used to be.

3) Listen more to those that have travelled there recently (or live there now) rather than guys who crap on Kiev because its heyday has past. Hell, even I've not been there since September 16.

Otherwise this thread is just going to disappear up its own arse offering little in the way of commendable advice to people genuinely interested in travelling there.

I haven't been here (ISG) myself in over a year and surprised to see the number of negative reports.

For the last 3 years, Kiev has been under a cloud in many ways but the situation is just as good as always. Girls who wouldn't reply to my messages on Mamba 3 years ago are now writing to me. Salaries are in the $200 - $300 range and the number of sponsors has reduced in line with the economy. Foreigner numbers are lower than ever before and competition is almost gone.

For users of Mamba, some tips:

1. Go VIP.

2. Change your location to Kiev 7 days before your arrival.

3. Line up 10 - 20 meetings for the duration of your stay.

4. Don't bother bullshitting about your aims. Say you are here for business reasons and need some female company in between meetings.

Usual rates are 1,500 - 2,000 for an hour, 2,500 - 3,000 for the night. Anything else is too much.

For clubbers:

The scene changes often as new clubs open. Try Chi for normal people. Avoid Buddha bar. If you have game go outside the box and try somewhere like Forsage. You'll not go home alone.

[CallSign Papa]

To many of us, Kiev will always be a special, somewhat magical city. I cannot describe the fun, craziness and excitement this city have generously provided. For those of us lucky enough to visit 10+ years ago, it was a wonderland of beautiful girls available at silly prices.

But, reading back through the last 30 pages of this thread, there is one common theme "KIEV ISN'T WHAT IT USED TO BE! " And it isn't and probably never will be again.

For many reasons, most of which probably won't change, the prices have gone up, the talent has evaporated and without conversational Russian and a contact network, it just isn't a place to visit if you expect easy hookups at affordable prices.

So I propose this:

1) Let's all assume and understand that the Kiev of today is the Kiev of today. Comparisons to its past glories are irrelevant and valueless to mongers visiting now.

2) Treat Kiev fairly, as it sits within the global P4 P market, and judge it based on the prices available today, not on what used to be.

3) Listen more to those that have travelled there recently (or live there now) rather than guys who crap on Kiev because its heyday has past. Hell, even I've not been there since September 16.

Otherwise this thread is just going to disappear up its own arse offering little in the way of commendable advice to people genuinely interested in travelling there.

[MagicSheep74]

Thank you. You summed it up nicely. Kudos.

My style of mongering is this: Have a mid day with +/- early evening short session romps in my apartment. Then dinner with friends and close the night with 2-3 hour session in my apartment.

I go to Colombia, once a week every two months and I do this everyday for 6 days with girl quality of 7's and 8's with a very rare 9.

For me there is something special about a nicely dressed and fresh smelling girl come knock on your door, have a drink, listen to some music, light massage and end it with a nice fuck in your own bed.

I was hoping to that in Kiev.

I know I can't do that in Switzerland. Probably not even in Spain.

I understand what you mean.

You could try the Gia Escort Kiev, they will happily send you a decent looking girl to your Apartment / Hotel.

Or you could walk into Rio Strip Club and take a girl back to your hotel for $300. Is it worth it financially? NO, but it's easy.

But please do not expect anything like Colombia. South Americans girls in general tend to provide a better service and are much more fun people.

For getting independents around to your accommodation I would thoroughly recommend Barcelona / Spain as a destination.

Use this site- www.girlsbcn.net , and you find many good looking Latin and EE girls who will be happily to entertain.

If you still feel you must try Ukraine, set you sights real low and you will maybe be lucky enough to be pleasantly surprised. For me personally, Kiev is just a lot of hard work with very little pay off. My personal time is precious so I prefer cities that are already set up for a easy and efficient mongering experience.

Cheers.

[Volpone]

I second that!

"Kiev is just not a monger friendly destination anymore. Those day are long gone, but unless you speak Russian and have money falling out of your pockets if would not be produce many worthy results. ".

You'll just end up wasting time, wasting money on accommodation, and etc!

Well said. Except for those who have some older contacts, that still agree to come for the usual price, It's hard to get decent prices now in Kiev and for 20-30 minutes sex, much better to go to Germany, Austria, Spain or Greece.

[Vitrea]

Yes, Well Club Globe in Zurich is open at 11 am - 2 am, so there is plenty of daytime action inside. There is a huge numbers of clubs in Spain with action starting inside at 5 pm until 4 am. But then again, this is all indoor action.

I have taken a girl out from both clubs, but the cost of high.

I armed myself before I went to Kiev by building up contacts on Tinder, Mambu and Ukrainedate. I met 2 girls off Tinder and one off Mamba, but overall it was a very disappointing experience. The girls looked nowhere near as nice as they highly photoshopped profile pics online. So essentially you are sitting across from a 6 are 7/10 who speaks 10 words of English.

Kiev is just not a monger friendly destination anymore. Those day are long gone, you could try pounding the streets asking girl out, but unless you speak Russian and have money falling out of your pockets if would not be produce many worthy results.

If it was me, I would just go to Zurich, spend the whole day in Globe fucking pretty high quality girls in a comfortable environment. Then at night after dinner about 10 pm walk into / www.clubaphrodisia.ch.

Where you can always find a legitimate 9/10 or better.

It depends what you after mate, Kiev is an interesting city and worth a visit. If you after Non-Pros and Semi Pros, I can't help to must. I guess you dating app like Tinder could help.

But if you are want to fuck many nice girls in a nice environment from afternoon onwards, then I can tell you exactly where to go and how much it will cost you.

Cheers.

Thank you. You summed it up nicely. Kudos.

My style of mongering is this: Have a mid day with +/- early evening short session romps in my apartment. Then dinner with friends and close the night with 2-3 hour session in my apartment.

I go to Colombia, once a week every two months and I do this everyday for 6 days with girl quality of 7's and 8's with a very rare 9.

For me there is something special about a nicely dressed and fresh smelling girl come knock on your door, have a drink, listen to some music, light massage and end it with a nice fuck in your own bed.

I was hoping to that in Kiev.

I know I can't do that in Switzerland. Probably not even in Spain.

[Harry Hardman]

I second that!

"Kiev is just not a monger friendly destination anymore. Those day are long gone, but unless you speak Russian and have money falling out of your pockets if would not be produce many worthy results. ".

You'll just end up wasting time, wasting money on accommodation, and etc!

Yes, Well Club Globe in Zurich is open at 11 am - 2 am, so there is plenty of daytime action inside.

I armed myself before I went to Kiev by building up contacts on Tinder, Mambu and Ukrainedate. I met 2 girls off Tinder and one off Mamba, but overall it was a very disappointing experience. The girls looked nowhere near as nice as they highly photoshopped profile pics online. So essentially you are sitting across from a 6 are 7/10 who speaks 10 words of English.

Kiev is just not a monger friendly destination anymore. Those day are long gone, you could try pounding the streets asking girl out, but unless you speak Russian and have money falling out of your pockets if would not be produce many worthy results.

If it was me, I would just go to Zurich, spend the whole day in Globe fucking pretty high quality girls in a comfortable environment. Then at night after dinner about 10 pm walk into / www.clubaphrodisia.ch.

Where you can always find a legitimate 9/10 or better.

[MagicSheep74]

I am writing here because you don't have PM. You also advised me in another post that go to Switzerland as back up.

My issue with western Europe (out side of FKK) is lack of much day time take out action.

Is there any daytime action in Switzerland? Spain?

Ukraine still is tempting to many guys because of variety of 24/7 options and greater chance of encounters with semi pros.

Yes, Well Club Globe in Zurich is open at 11 am - 2 am, so there is plenty of daytime action inside. There is a huge numbers of clubs in Spain with action starting inside at 5 pm until 4 am. But then again, this is all indoor action.

I have taken a girl out from both clubs, but the cost of high.

I armed myself before I went to Kiev by building up contacts on Tinder, Mambu and Ukrainedate. I met 2 girls off Tinder and one off Mamba, but overall it was a very disappointing experience. The girls looked nowhere near as nice as they highly photoshopped profile pics online. So essentially you are sitting across from a 6 are 7/10 who speaks 10 words of English.

Kiev is just not a monger friendly destination anymore. Those day are long gone, you could try pounding the streets asking girl out, but unless you speak Russian and have money falling out of your pockets if would not be produce many worthy results.

If it was me, I would just go to Zurich, spend the whole day in Globe fucking pretty high quality girls in a comfortable environment. Then at night after dinner about 10 pm walk into / www.clubaphrodisia.ch.

Where you can always find a legitimate 9/10 or better.

It depends what you after mate, Kiev is an interesting city and worth a visit. If you after Non-Pros and Semi Pros, I can't help to must. I guess you dating app like Tinder could help.

But if you are want to fuck many nice girls in a nice environment from afternoon onwards, then I can tell you exactly where to go and how much it will cost you.

Cheers.

[Vitrea]

I am writing here because you don't have PM. You also advised me in another post that go to Switzerland as back up.

My issue with western Europe (out side of FKK) is lack of much day time take out action.

Is there any daytime action in Switzerland? Spain?

Ukraine still is tempting to many guys because of variety of 24/7 options and greater chance of encounters with semi pros.

Finally some sense -.

Tourists. Avoid Ukraine all together -.

Arena, Shooter, Caribbean Club, Bhudda Bar, Rio, Gia, Mamba / They are Overrated, Overpiced, Over-hyped, Shit.

If you speak Russian and stay in Ukraine, then you can get some pussy from a 7/10 / Great. The 9/10 and 10/10 are not available to anyone on this board. If they were, we would read the reports about them. We don't.

If you has access to Europe, Go to Spain, Germany, Austria and Switzerland and fuck the brains out as many EE Women as you want in a nice country, instead of Ukraine which is the scam capital of Europe.

Good luck.

[LuisVega11]

Excellent summary. Thank you.

Can me tell me how old do you look, fit / average / chubby and your ethnicity?

I am asking because I am guessing that they play a major part for your street game. Correct me if I am wrong.

I am 5' 8", 170 lbs and I consider myself a 7 in looks and look latino.

Thanks.

I'm now 38. 190 89 kg, I think fit and look mediterranean.

I'm still getting old for 18-20 normal girl, but still can find some. More 24-26 I'd say.