Stupid Shit in Kyiv

[Blood Red]

Unfortunately, the facts prove, what you write. Western countries simply dragged out serious support of UA, which believed the Wests cheap words. Unfortunately.

I only remind the 5000 helmets, Germany sent as "First Aid" after the war started, or the long discussions regarding Leopard tanks, or the long delays of fresh US money. Not to mention the failed promise of 1 Mio artillery shells. I am not a big fan of the US, but as a German engineer, I know, that the Americans can be VERY FAST to build up industrial facilities.

In case they really want. Production of shells is not too complicated a process.

The West simply cheated UA. To break up UA, part to the West (Poland?) part to Putler?

And Ukraine still is believing the collective wests bullshit words it seems. Or who knows, I don't know what the ordinary Ukrainian thinks. The corrupt Kiev regime will want this to go on as long as possible so they can keep bagging billions, they don't seem to care that the country is getting depopulated and wrecked.

And like you said, they hesitated and delayed sending what Ukraine really needed to have made a difference. They took Ukraine down the primrose path. The goal was to make Russia weak and to make it bleed, NOT to make Ukraine win. I wish Ukrainian supporters would admit that. Now they are dangling the carrot of Ukraine joining NATO one day. Write this down: Ukraine will NEVER join NATO. They know this but are still giving this false hope to the poor Ukrainians. Pure evil like I said. And yes, Ukraine will be divided.

Everything East of the Dniper plus Odessa will be Russia most likely. What is left will be a dysfunctional rump state unviable to ever join the EU and will never join NATO as I said. Who knows, the Poles, Hungarians may swallow up some territory as well. Zelensky if he succeeds in running away like Ghani did in Afghanistan will be living overseas in one of his mansions. That man is a curse for Ukraine, history will judge him very harshly.

[Reiner Otto]

These people still do not understand that it isn't about money or ammunition. This is about MANPOWER now. Ukraine is out of manpower. You cannot print soldiers.
NATO is not going to get involved. These people don't want to help Ukraine win, they want to make Russia bleed / weak.

Unfortunately, the facts prove, what you write. Western countries simply dragged out serious support of UA, which believed the Wests cheap words. Unfortunately.

I only remind the 5000 helmets, Germany sent as "First Aid" after the war started, or the long discussions regarding Leopard tanks, or the long delays of fresh US money. Not to mention the failed promise of 1 Mio artillery shells. I am not a big fan of the US, but as a German engineer, I know, that the Americans can be VERY FAST to build up industrial facilities.

In case they really want. Production of shells is not too complicated a process.

The West simply cheated UA. To break up UA, part to the West (Poland?) part to Putler?

[Blood Red]

JC you and Xman are smoking the same crap. The war is over, it has been over for several months, the only thing that would save Ukraine if the states and NATO decided to send 100,000's of troops. NATO has nothing to send and the states are not prepared for war with Russia. Not to mention we are running low on weapons and ammunition, we have given way too much to a lost cause. Counter to what the media says Russia Army is well equipped and seasoned fighters now, we would probably get our ass kicked.

The liberals, America and the Euros created this disaster, the only way to save Ukraine is to surrender, before there is nothing left. You guys really screwed up this time, no plane, weapon or large some of money will change anything. Russia continues to get stronger while the west and the Euros get weaker.

The war ended after Ukraine's last throw of the dice, the much hyped counter offensive launched in 2023 FAILED miserably. They managed to take Robatino only, can you imagine? And Russia recaptured it today. Unbelievable.

These people still do not understand that it isn't about money or ammunition. This is about MANPOWER now. Ukraine is out of manpower. You cannot print soldiers.

NATO is not going to get involved. These people don't want to help Ukraine win, they want to make Russia bleed / weak. Llyod Austin openly said this back in 2022! The sooner Ukraine realizes this, the better off they will be. The warmongers in the collective west took Ukraine down the primrose path. These people are pure evil.

[Blood Red]

Russia can not supply Crimea. They will soon be gone -- wait for it.

You have no idea what you are talking about. Let me educate you.

Even before the Kerch bridge was constructed, Russia could supply Crimea via air and ferry route. Plus, now there is a land bridge from the new territories to Crimea, a rail link recently completed.

[John Clayton]

... I'm afraid NONE of that is ever going to happen. The 4 new territories + Crimea are gone forever...

Russia can not supply Crimea. They will soon be gone -- wait for it.

[DramaFree11]

There is no "victory" for the tens of thousands of Ukrainians who have been killed, wounded, mutilated or tortured in this war. A partial justice would be if Russia withdrew to the internationally recognized borders, to which it is a guarantor, detained all persons accused of war crimes or waging a war of aggression and remanded them to the International Court of Justice in the Hague, and began to pay reparations to Ukraine for damaged caused by its illegal actions.

However, in the short term, I believe that the Crimean peninsula is strategically untenable. I hope and expect that with the arrival of F-16's and longer range munitions, Ukraine will finally be able to advance through Melitopol and sever the land bridge to Russia, forcing the evacuation and surrender of Crimea. I wish that this disaster would cause the removal of Putin and the governing hierarchy, the end of government information control in the Russian Federation, and the normalization of relationships between the West and Russia.

JC you and Xman are smoking the same crap. The war is over, it has been over for several months, the only thing that would save Ukraine if the states and NATO decided to send 100,000's of troops. NATO has nothing to send and the states are not prepared for war with Russia. Not to mention we are running low on weapons and ammunition, we have given way too much to a lost cause. Counter to what the media says Russia Army is well equipped and seasoned fighters now, we would probably get our ass kicked.

The liberals, America and the Euros created this disaster, the only way to save Ukraine is to surrender, before there is nothing left. You guys really screwed up this time, no plane, weapon or large some of money will change anything. Russia continues to get stronger while the west and the Euros get weaker.

[Blood Red]

There is no "victory" for the tens of thousands of Ukrainians who have been killed, wounded, mutilated or tortured in this war. A partial justice would be if Russia withdrew to the internationally recognized borders, to which it is a guarantor, detained all persons accused of war crimes or waging a war of aggression and remanded them to the International Court of Justice in the Hague, and began to pay reparations to Ukraine for damaged caused by its illegal actions.

Well, if that is your definition of what victory looks like, I'm afraid NONE of that is ever going to happen. The 4 new territories + Crimea are gone forever. The longer this goes on, the more territory Ukraine will lose.

However, in the short term, I believe that the Crimean peninsula is strategically untenable. I hope and expect that with the arrival of F-16's and longer range munitions, Ukraine will finally be able to advance through Melitopol and sever the land bridge to Russia, forcing the evacuation and surrender of Crimea.

You are seriously on drugs or just delusional. Or you have ZERO knowledge of military matters. Last year, when the much hyped Ukranian counter offenseive started, that was Ukraine's BEST CHANCE to make any impact on the outcome of the war, it was their last roll of the dice. At that time, Ukraine had NATO trained fresh brigades, a ton of western weapons worth billions of dollars. And what was the outcome of the counter offensive? They succeeded in taking Robotyne, a tiny village. They didn't even reach Tokmak! And you think now Ukraine will reach Melitopol and severe the land bridge and threaten Crimea? You live in lala land. The F16's won't make any difference, just like the ATACMS didn't, just like HIMARS didn't, just like storm shadow / scalp / Abrams / Leopards didn't. They will all burn.

I wish that this disaster would cause the removal of Putin and the governing hierarchy, the end of government information control in the Russian Federation, and the normalization of relationships between the West and Russia.

I'm afraid none of your wishes are going to come true. But you can continue to wish and dream. The reality is quickly unfolding before your eyes in Donetsk and Kharkov.

[John Clayton]

So if you believe Ukraine can win, tell me this: what does a Ukraine victory look like in your view? What defines Ukraine winning?

There is no "victory" for the tens of thousands of Ukrainians who have been killed, wounded, mutilated or tortured in this war. A partial justice would be if Russia withdrew to the internationally recognized borders, to which it is a guarantor, detained all persons accused of war crimes or waging a war of aggression and remanded them to the International Court of Justice in the Hague, and began to pay reparations to Ukraine for damaged caused by its illegal actions.

However, in the short term, I believe that the Crimean peninsula is strategically untenable. I hope and expect that with the arrival of F-16's and longer range munitions, Ukraine will finally be able to advance through Melitopol and sever the land bridge to Russia, forcing the evacuation and surrender of Crimea. I wish that this disaster would cause the removal of Putin and the governing hierarchy, the end of government information control in the Russian Federation, and the normalization of relationships between the West and Russia.

[DramaFree11]

Yeah, why stop now indeed! There are still teenagers to send to the frontline to get killed. I'm sure there are some elderly too.

Until the last Ukrainian. What a horrific, needless tragedy. NATO and the warmongers in the collective west are PURE EVIL.

We forgot to mention Ukraine has been sending girls to the front for several months now, probably longer. The media and the left conveniently forgets to report this.

[Blood Red]

More denial from you and liberal friends. Maybe negotiate instead of sending more money to a country that is on the verge of collapsing and corrupt. There are no more men or women to send to the front. Over 500,000 are dead now, but why stop now.

Yeah, why stop now indeed! There are still teenagers to send to the frontline to get killed. I'm sure there are some elderly too.

Until the last Ukrainian. What a horrific, needless tragedy. NATO and the warmongers in the collective west are PURE EVIL.

[Blood Red]

You know what else is possible?

Killing dozens of your own civilians with your own missiles.

Why do you fellas keep killing Russians? Can't help yourselves?

Russian missile causes collapse of Belgorod building OSINT analysts.

https://www.yahoo.com/news/russian-m...151000232.html#text.

I stopped reading when I read "OSINT analysts".

[Blood Red]

The Liberals still think they can stop Russia, just send more money to one or most corrupt countries in the world with zero oversight.

This will stop too eventually, question is when, it can't go on forever. Everyone can see the corruption in Ukraine. How about those defenses in Kharkov? The Russians just walked in. That's a bloody disgrace for Ukraine.

[Blood Red]

More pure Russian propaganda. It shows how vulnerable relatively open democratic institutions (e. g. , this forum) are to the lies and propaganda of a totalitarian government.

So if you believe Ukraine can win, tell me this: what does a Ukraine victory look like in your view? What defines Ukraine winning?

[Xpartan]

More pure Russian propaganda. It shows how vulnerable relatively open democratic institutions (e. g. , this forum) are to the lies and propaganda of a totalitarian government.

I don't know. I think, they're quite transparent, aren't they? I mean you can easily tell who the shills are.

[Xpartan]

So how much more of Ukraine do you want to get wrecked? How much more territory do you want the Russians to take and annex before you call for a ceasefire? Fact of the matter is that no one will keep funding this needless war that Ukraine cannot win. The collective west will force Ukraine to make peace on Russia's term most likely after the you. S elections, unless the AFU collapses before that which is possible.

You know what else is possible?

Killing dozens of your own civilians with your own missiles.

Why do you fellas keep killing Russians? Can't help yourselves?

Russian missile causes collapse of Belgorod building OSINT analysts.

https://www.yahoo.com/news/russian-m...151000232.html#text.