Kyiv

[Tomux 22]

I have never visited FFK, and next moth I will have a chance to do so like I wrote. To what I really looking forward. I was in Prague several years ago and it is what it is. Darling was full of great looking girls, where GFE was non existant (like I wrote). K5 sended several good looking blonds to my hotel rom and again same story here.

Now Kiev is my favorite playground, I don't want to sound cocky but I don't have problems whats so ever finding semipro girls or "normal girls" in Kiev. The reason it is so, is because I qualify. Yes the most imortant aspect in Kiev is to "qualify"

I choose to buy sex because I like doing that from time to time. Its hassel free and i am not Brad Pitt to take smoking hot girls home every night.

[Sorbonne]

Liljoey: "Kiev has no sex clubs where you can go have sex, like K5 in Prague."

As I said several days ago, Kiev does seem to have sex clubs. This strip club New Century supposedly has four backrooms for sex.

I forgot about K5, but not since Kamasutra in Sofia and K5 in Prague had I encountered backrooms until I went to this club in Kiev.

[Kiev Freak]

Lj, you are really encouraged me again for Kiev. Next week I am there. My 3. rd mamba profile is also blocked but I have back up mamba profile and already collected 50 numbers. I believe 40 of them is fake photos but I have at least 6-7 real girls according our conversations over whatapp. I will also visit avalon and vodka bar as well. My home to Kiev only 2 hours. In fact I was planning to fly Thailand again but 15 hours trip too much for 3 days holiday.

[LilJoey]

[QUOTE=Tomux 22; 1496012]

I have little experince as far as Kiev goes but as I am planning my second trip in the next two weeks I am finding so much attitude on mamba and such outrageous demands that I.

Have decided to bag the trip. Who needs the stress when you are paying good money. There is always Prague and the FKK's. I guess you are right times are changing.

Prague is a great choice. Its cheaper then Kiev if we talking of hotels, eating at restaurants and flights. Darling and K5 always have something nice to offer. Only thing I miss in Prague is a lack of GFE. But heyy you still find your self in probably the most pretty city of Europe.

Going next moth to Berlin with work, will not miss out on visiting FKK. Will be my first time in such surroundings, looking forward to that.

[QUOTE=John Corey; 1496070]

Yes, Prague is a great city and I knowmy way around. Thank you for suggeting K5 and Darlings. When you are in Berlin aside from FKK Artemis do not forget to check out some of the brothels like Royal, Kamilla Dee and the like. I have always had great experiences at Royal and the premises are clean. Happy hunting!

Guys, how one can mention K5 and Darlings in Prague, and the Prague scene in general, in the same breath with FKK's and what is possible there, I cannot understand. Everything is covered at Darlings, no BBBJ possible. And I will never forget how I sat with a manager at k5 looking at HHS entire line up, struggling to find even one girl who would allow DATY and an uncovered BJ. And although GFE might be possible in some of the many "privats" (girl apartments) that truly abound all over Prague, it is a taxing project of investigation requiring a lot of leg work to find a privat that has a very good looking girl who provides a good GFE service, and things keep changing. And the only way I found spectacular looking GFE girls in Prague was to use the high end Internet escort outcall agencies which typically require a multiple hour booking for several hundred Euro each time. So IMHO Prague is a high cost venue if you're looking for model types (8's and above) providing GFE. By comparison, in the FKK's the services are standard GFE services and there is no question about things like BBBJ and DATY being available for a 50 euro session fee for 30 minutes. It's too different worlds. After discovering the FKK's, I never went back to Prague. No need to. I already had seen the pretty tourist sights.

Likewise, I'm sure you are aware that Kiev also has a low cost escort scene where you order an outcall escort from an agency, no "attitude" involved, and she comes for a stated rather low price and fucks you. The unknown here is what she looks like, and what her services might be. So it is hit or miss. In this aspect it is like running all over town in Prague to various privats trying to find one that has a pretty enough girl, and then if she will provide GFE services. There is investigation work involved, but no attitude.

Mamba is a social website. It is not an escort agency website, although there are profiles being posted on the website by escort agencies. So on mamba, you are fishing in the real world, just as if you were propositioning various different girls in a nightclub, only you can't see what they look like. Since it is not an agency or a sex club with an advertised price, the individual girls are free to say whatever they want, and ask for and negotiate however they want. And if you proposition a regular girl for prostitution anywhere in the world, you are likely to get some "attitude". If you don't want to speak to a real individual girl and negotiate a price with her, because you consider that experience to subject you to "attitude", then simply order up a girl from an actual escort agency which advertises a stated low price for sex.

But then you will miss what I see as an opportunity to meet a semi-pro real individual girl on a social website like mamba, and instead will be limited to what girl escorts are sent by the agency.

The attitude you experience on mamba when communicating with real girls, is because they are real, and have a pulse, as well as some attitude, and can't simply be ordered off a menu, like a silent piece of meat for your dining pleasure. For me, that's part of the charm of this process, getting with such a real girl, and finding out when I finally see her for the first time, that she has a tight, curvy, really sexy body, and nice face, and then my thoughts start churning with excitement, knowing that in a short while, I will be taking this little girl apart and have her on my bed screaming from pleasure of an effective DATY, and then more fun as she reciprocates to me__lol.

In the beginning of my Kiev explorations I could not get good enough looking girls off the low priced (600 UAH or 800 UAH) escort websites, I turned to River Palace in the old days before the end of 2010, where the prices possible for something good was about $200 for 2 hours, or sometimes for very beautiful girls, $300; and afterwards in 2011, I turned to the strip clubs which offered girls for take out who were hot enough for my purposes, and the prices for very beautiful girls were $300 for 3 hours, or in the nightclubs, $300 for 2 hours for a very hot girl. These prices were not cheap. But they were cheaper than the high end escort agencies in Prague for similar quality girls. And in Kiev, I liked the aspect of real interaction with the girls at a nightclub or strip club, before choosing which to take, much more than ordering a girl from photos on a website. At the strip club I would get a private dance and be able to feel up the girl, kiss her breasts, touch her pussy, and she would touch my dick and excite me, and then with all that fun having been had with her, I could then take her home for sex. That's great. Much better than ordering an escort. And therefore, Kiev replaced Prague as a mongering destination for me. The bottom line is that in Kiev you can get to very beautiful p4p girls for a bit less than the high end agencies in Prague cost. But both Prague and Kiev have different types of sex possibilities. What Kiev has, that Prague does not have, is a nightclub scene where you can pick up p4p pro girls and semi-pro girls, or a strip club take out scene where you can bring a beautiful dancer home for a few hours of sex. The strip clubs in Prague do not offer what is possible in Kiev's strip clubs. However, Kiev has no sex clubs where you can go have sex, like K5 in Prague. But since getting GFE services was so difficult in K5, not having such a place in Kiev, was a deficiency more than made up for by the incredible possibilities of the River Palace, and in the strip clubs in Kiev that offered take out.

So I have selected Kiev as my favored mongering destination, with the FKK's in Germany and Austria as an alternate. I mix it up between the two. But now that I can have a gorgeous semi-pro girl I found on mamba, come to my apartment from another city and stay over, and we can have a sexathon for two days, and she is happy with a $400 gift, there is no way I can get such value anywhere else but Kiev. That's your goal boys. The full day / night 24 hour date for $300 or less with a beautiful girl. It's possible to find in Kiev, if you can put up with a little "attitude" from the EE female mentality.

[Sad Sam]

I had a sudden trip to Kiev come up for business and it was also going ot be a very short one of a couple of days. Since it was my first trip, and with little spare time due to business meetings through dinner, I was resigned to the trip being a bust from mongering perspective. I looked at some of the websites like top-modals and other escort sites and was hoping to call on their services. But thanks to LilJoey and KievFreak who encouraged me to not give up on mamba even with little time left. I am glad I took their advice. I registered and got myself VIP status for 10 days and started searching and messaging a lot of the women that I liked along the lines of asking them vaguely what conditions they had for meeting up with me. I was happy that even in just 48 hours time I managed to get abut 10 responses. Once I was in Kiev, I tried top-modals and struck out as some f them who claimed to know English did not and ones that said they would do outcall did not want to etc. However, when I tried some of the mamba contacts one of them was up for it and came to my hotel. While she was a bit older and not exactly the body type I would have preferred, she was still quite pretty. But I have to say the service was completely over the top. We drank whiskey, flirted, made out, she gave me great sloppy BBBJs with some gagging thrown in and without even asking swallowed every last drop! On top of that she was up for all positions and took anal like a champ. I never had such a GFE or in fact PSE session except for a few in Bangkok =) All it cost me was $100 for a good 2-3 hours of fun. Unfortunately she did not want me to give out her profile, so I will have to respect that. But the reason for me to write this is to encourage other newbies that while mamba takes some effort, it can certainly be tamed and some good times can be had. I am sure I had some beginner's luck but I get the feeling that there are enough cuties available for even non-Russian speaking blokes to have great fun with relatively inexpensively with attractive Russian ladies.

Good luck.

[LilJoey]

I'm listening to some of you guys here and decided to give a try to top-modal. Com during daytime.

I don't think I have time for mamba so am going just with top-modals. Does mamba present any better chance than top-modals?

But so far I only called three agencies. Two yesterday and one today.

As liljoy suggested, I'm asking agents to send me three young and pretty girls at once, but so far all of them sent me only 2 girls each time. I guess its difficult for agents to gather three girls quickly.

So I've seen six girls so far and sent them all back. I'm waiting for two more girls right now. I have not given up just yet.

They usually come within one hour, so theoretically I can call like four agencies in one afternoon which I should really start doing. And have meals and run erands while waiting.

I usually give them H100 for taxi when I send them back. Should I do this or not?

Why do you say you do not have time for mamba? It is the best way to get to independent girls and to semi-pro girls, for p4p. And also for regular dating, although that might not be your interest. The escort agencies are sending escorts, not semi-pro studenkas. It's a different type of girl that is possible to meet on mamba. Although there are plenty of escort pro girls on mamba too. In the several weeks before a trip, one should do their mamba homework every day. Do it while sitting on the toilet if you have no other time to "waste" on it. But do it. Build up a contacts list of girls that you have their telephone numbers, and please, as soon as a girl finally gives her number and agrees to meet you, copy all her pics, name, phone number, prices and other info into a Word document, so you will have it, even if her profile is deleted, and even if your profile is deleted or blocked. And also move her messages into a separate trip folder that you can create in the messages area, or into your Favorites folder, because if you leave her messages icon in your General Folder, it will soon be buried under hundreds of other messages you sent out, most of which never get answered, and you won't be able to easily find and differentiate which girls gave you their phone numbers.

If you are sadly already in Kiev, having not bothered to prepare any mamba contacts, you can still send out a message to as many girls as you can, stating that you are in Kiev now, and you're available for a meeting, and if the girl would like to meet, can she meet you that day or the next. You may get some responses and be in business. And if you get nothing good from all this daytime mongering efforts, you can always pay a little more in the evenings at the strip club or night club for a real hottie that you can see before you invite her home.

[K Salameh]

Hey guys,

Anybody want to meet in Kiev for coffee and maybe later to check some clubs. Please let me know.

[John Corey]

[QUOTE=Tomux 22; 1496012]

I have little experince as far as Kiev goes but as I am planning my second trip in the next two weeks I am finding so much attitude on mamba and such outrageous demands that I.

Have decided to bag the trip. Who needs the stress when you are paying good money. There is always Prague and the FKK's. I guess you are right times are changing.

Prague is a great choice. Its cheaper then Kiev if we talking of hotels, eating at restaurants and flights. Darling and K5 always have something nice to offer. Only thing I miss in Prague is a lack of GFE. But heyy you still find your self in probably the most pretty city of Europe.

Going next moth to Berlin with work, will not miss out on visiting FKK. Will be my first time in such surroundings, looking forward to that.

Yes, Prague is a great city and I knowmy way around. Thank you for suggeting K5 and Darlings. When you are in Berlin aside from FKK Artemis do not forget to check out some of the brothels like Royal, Kamilla Dee and the like. I have always had great experiences at Royal and the premises are clean. Happy hunting!

[HeartMuscle]

excellent posting and a fine guide.

thank you

dear angus,

these are all good questions, which have been discussed before in my previous posts, and the posts of others. in light of the new cadre of newbies posting on this thread who are apparently planning kiev trips this year, let me say to you all that you will only gain a lot if you invest the time to read the last 2 years or so of posts, and being lazy in this respect is going to cost you in the end. having said that, i think i will respond to you at length, angus, as my comments are directed towards all newbies contemplating a kiev trip. dear veterans i beg your patience as you will probably learn nothing new here. it's all back in the thread in this forum. but which newbie bothers to read the fucking thread and all the stuff we wrote before anyways. lol.

mamba. ru should be your first line of attack:

apparently, angus, your own thinking cap has produced the method, which also was hit on by others before you, of how to best confront the fake picture problem of kiev internet girls. yes, absolutely, and of course, the best way to find hotties on mamba or other internet sites is to search through as many of the girls as possible, within the shortest time frame possible, to see what they look like, so you can choose the hottest and best of them to be with.

the way to do this is to "speed date" as many of them as time allows, in a public place, and schedule follow up meetings with those you like.

i wrote about this many times previously, and took to calling it the "hunter dave" method, because it was first recommended to me by this senior member when we met once for a drink at the "beer house" in arena city, although i'm sure others have used the same method before us.

hunter dave advised to use several different cafe's or bars or restaurants in near proximity in the downtown area, and to schedule short meetings because of your "very busy business schedule", and when the time came for the next "speed date", to simply make your excuses that you need to get to another meeting and hurry off to meet the next girl at the next location..

[John Corey]

Climax, I completely agreed what you wrote. I am Turkey Citizenship and travel to EU ver hard because of VISA. My only opton is ST piter and Kiev. Russia harder than Ukraine I believe. In Kiev only thinng you can to find a nice semipro, catch a GFE, bring your home, live 1 year. After 1 year, repeat this.

That was my biggest attraction going to Kiev- the GFE factor. I guess maybe, I should start with Prague and head to Kiev for a couple of days and circle back in December around.

Tradional Christmas. Maybe, the girs would be a little flexible as everyone needs money for Christmas and Orthodox Christmas this year is January 7th. Any suggestions on that

Timing.

[Kiev Freak]

Climax, I completely agreed what you wrote. I am Turkey Citizenship and travel to EU ver hard because of VISA. My only opton is ST piter and Kiev. Russia harder than Ukraine I believe. In Kiev only thinng you can to find a nice semipro, catch a GFE, bring your home, live 1 year. After 1 year, repeat this.

[Climaxnow]

If I get one pretty thing like her every 8 girls who come around, I'd say Kiev is not to be given up just yet!

A lot of possibilities still exist in Kiev, but mostly for frequent travelers. It can be tough if you come a week and start from scratch.

[Tomux 22]

[QUOTE=John Corey; 1495990]I have little experince as far as Kiev goes but as I am planning my second trip in the next two weeks I am finding so much attitude on mamba and such outrageous demands that I.

Have decided to bag the trip. Who needs the stress when you are paying good money. There is always Prague and the FKK's. I guess you are right times are changing.

Prague is a great choice. Its cheaper then Kiev if we talking of hotels, eating at restaurants and flights. Darling and K5 always have something nice to offer. Only thing I miss in Prague is a lack of GFE. But heyy you still find your self in probably the most pretty city of Europe.

Going next moth to Berlin with work, will not miss out on visiting FKK. Will be my first time in such surroundings, looking forward to that.

[Climaxnow]

Hey Climax, which Ukrainian destinaions have become more enticing, please?

I did not mean destinations in Ukraine. I meant throughout the world. Cute blonds, not super model, can make five times the money as models in a Chinese city compared to Kiev.

[Sorbonne]

OK, so lo and behold, the forth agency sent me who appeared to be a mother and her daughter.

Of course I sent the mother home (or maybe she was waiting outside?).

The young girl was so petit that she didn't even look old enough to be a student. She said she was 18. To be sure, she was cute, but was certainly not like a model type.

She barely spoke English so after the one hour for $100 I negotiated with her agent, I sent her back. But her agents phone number will not disappear from my address book for a while.

Later I called her agent and asked her how much it would be for two hours. She said $150.

You know, I would love it if it is like $100 for 2 hours. I mean after all its $100 an hour even at Rio, right?

Is it posible to nagotiate the price with agents? Well, I will try the next time.

If I get one pretty thing like her every 8 girls who come around, I'd say Kiev is not to be given up just yet!