Kyiv

[Bez Bezarra]

Snowy's report has all the pick up places.
Ask hotel bellboy,security guard, taxi drivers, etc.

Sightseeing is just walking around the center.

Everything you can do to help their economy is your simple way of giving back
to an important community.

I get so upset and am so dissappointed with my government when I think and consider for how many years, maybe 30, we had warheads aimed at a city so full
of sweet honey, its amazing that we can go there and its meaningless to them.
But with that in mind, we owe it to them to make up for such misdirected irresponsible ill will in every way we can, and to every extent. Fill up your suitcase full of stuff, cosmetics, perfume, t-shirts, hair care stuff, and anything else you can think of, and give till it hurts.

Think you'd find anything as genuine as 5 hours with this five-some ?

Ridin' that Glory Train!


Yeah, beer and cigarettes are cheap, but caviar's still $50 jar.

[John Quakman]

I have a trip to Kiev planned on Aug 10-13 and am searching for a female, english speaking guide. Zergut seems to have had a good service from VIPGATEWAY.com but they have not responded to my emails. I am wondering if anyone knows of a similar service. I want to spend the entire time mongering and sightseeing. PM or post if you have some insight.

[Snowy]

Recently got back from 11 days in a sunny Kiev and had a truly fine time. I can’t really remember a blow by blow account, so just some notes on the trip and some of the places - sorry, but this is likely to be long and rambling! Probably of more use to the novice traveller I'm afraid than giving much new information to the regulars.

Got an apartment with http://www.uaapartments.com. I much prefer apartments to hotels anywhere in the world and will happily sacrifice luxury for adequate comfort. All I can say about uaapartments is that the place I rented was exactly as pictured on their website, centrally located and perfect for my needs; they seemed reliable and good people. A bath tub which could comfortably fit in two people was a pleasant addition.

I thought my Russian had improved sufficiently to actively avoid the traditional P4P venues as a meeting place and was determined to only meet regular girls, which proved quite easy. My only regret is that I was nearly entirely focussed in the centre. In light of my very last memory of Kiev (around 30+ apparently breathtaking girls standing outside a university/college just before the motorway to Borispol) I think I’ll spend more time further away from the centre next time and really test my Russian skills out.

Last time in Kiev I reckon I got quite lucky with the girls I met which meant I got by mainly in English and a little Russian. If I had just focussed on the regular girls with sufficient English this time the trip would have been a bit disappointing, with all the really good girls – genuinely non-pros or those on the fringes of the p4p scene – being predominately Russian speakers. I also took the advice of this board and was significantly more cocky with the girls I met which really paid dividends.

Clubs
Moda Bar
In November everyone seemed to love this place, but all the regular people seemed to be really off it now saying that all the girls there are now pros. Not good for them, but useful for this board! Sorry I can’t give you an idea of prices as I went no-where near it, but based on everything else I would guess the girls all want/expect a minimum of $150 – the pros seemed to have formed a cartel on this and have set the price. I got the impression that Moda was becoming more and more like RP.

River Palace
Just went the once at 4am, when I was wired from a particularly fine night and was still unfeasibly randy (I think I blame honey vodka which seemed to mix surprisingly well with Kamagra, but I really, really wouldn’t recommend it). Went to see if they were showing the NBA finals (they weren’t) and to see if I could get a cheap threesome with whoever was left. Two girls were sitting in the bar downstairs – both around 6s, but seemed ideal. I wasn’t in the mood to be charming, so got straight down to bartering. Offered $150 for the two of them, and they countered with $150 for one of them. Maybe the disco was packed with willing guys, but it seemed unlikely at that time on a Sunday; they seemed to be showing a surprising lack of reality! Admittedly a clearly tanked guy marching in and asking for a threesome without any pre-amble probably didn’t make me the most attractive punter. To put it mildly they seemed a little flummoxed when, having been there for a less than a minute and having made only one offer, I walked straight back out. The two of them came “running”- trotting is more accurate due to stupidly high heels – and offered me $200 for both. One of the girls was fluent in English and was doing the negotiations, but still hadn’t caught on that whilst randy I wasn’t going to pay more than I wanted (and having had a poke less than a hour before was not overly bothered) and she was acting somewhat arsey. I walked off again and her Russian-speaking friend pursued. It turned out she only came to RP once a week and had exams coming up so was not in the mood to go home empty handed as she wouldn’t be back for a couple of weeks. We settled on $50, with a promise of more based on how happy she made me. Performance related pay is definitely the way to go! Whilst not the best looking, she had a good body and a great attitude. She ended up staying until around 4pm the next day and I actually gave her $100 in total (in fairness to me, Detroit’s victory had made me more than this in the first two hours of my time with her, so it seemed somewhat mean to pay less).

I got the impression that the $150 price is something that the real pros will really do all they can to avoid going below as otherwise word gets out that $ is the price they'll all settle on. Whilst "being a gentlemen" is always a nice idea, there is a point where you just need to establish control and set your price with the pros. If the girls think they are in control (e.g. your horniness = more than your ability to say "too much $"), then things will just get out of whack, prices go up and service gets worse.

There definitely seemed to be more foreigners with cash in Kiev this trip, but still no where near enough to give the pros completely the upper hand. I met a couple of business men who were in Kiev on their first trip who just seemed deliriously happy to have an overnight for $400+ and so the market continues to get a little messed up.

Cocktail 111 (Peremohy Place, next to Hotel Lybid)
I love this place! Pretty sure there is lots of P4P action from pros (the tell tell sign of lots of older, out of place foreigners having a quiet drink in a loud club or dancing badly suggested there had to be action). I reckon the proportion of true pros will depend on the night. On a busy night there are lots of good looking girls there who are just out for a laugh with their friends; I’m 99.9% sure that nearly all are approachable and available (excluding those obviously with boyfriends!). Tuesdays are packed making 111 a really good mid-week option and the weekends were stuffed too. Took dates here and had a fine, fine time. Staff are great, liked the atmosphere and would actually go back next time to try out the P4P scene quite happily. To be successful you’ll have to get up and dance. I went here on my first night in Kiev and met students celebrating the end of her exams with a few friends. Definitely not pros; the one I really liked was actually a little uncomfortable with me buying them drinks. Got numbers from a couple of them and ended up spending 3 or 4 days with the girl I wanted later during my stay without spending more than drinks, cabs and meals – does this qualify as P4P or a freebie? Who cares!

Shooters (22 Moskova’ka)
Went here with a date on TravelMen’s recommendation, so many thanks to him. I went one night on the weekend – I think Saturday. Place was packed, good atmosphere, liked the sounds and a mixed crowd – a few obvious pros (I think) and lots of really hot looking girls who were definitely approachable. Was able to pick up a few numbers really easily whilst I was outside having a smoke, although didn’t have time to follow-up this trip. The MC who screams out "PARTYPARTYPARTY" every 15 minutes does need to be smacked. hard.

O’Neills
I know people have mentioned this place as a P4P/meet regular girl place, but I just haven’t seen it in either visit to Kiev. I saw a few guys with girls they had already met, and it’s a good place to go for a drink, but personally I wouldn’t go there to meet girls. One girl I was speaking to in some bar said she and a friend had been barred from O’Neills for going in dressed too much like pros. (in fairness to the owner, they were pros and they did dress like pros!), so this didn’t seem to bode too well as a place for obvious P4P. As I said though it’s a fun place to go.

Strolling
My main area for making contact with regular girls was in stores and the underground shopping “malls” that seem to run underneath all of central Kiev. I don’t like working with a wing man, so for the solo mission this worked really well for me. Not sure why, but all success came at perfumeries (really easy – “I’m buying something for a friend, can you help me choose something nice” kind of thing), sunglass stalls and, for no obvious reason I can see, furniture stalls (especially sofa beds - I really don't know why!). Across my first two days picked up more than enough numbers for the entire trip across a whole range of regular girls, from students out shopping to store assistants – also got knocked back plenty too! I was able to work fairly exclusively in average Russian (with some "charming" mistakes and a bit of English on both sides) and this seemed to work incredibly well the whole trip. I had my best success with first night sex with the girls I met in the shops (really not too difficult to get anyone who would meet for a drink later into bed on the first date). The shop assistants also had the advantage of wanting to be in bed (asleep) at a normal time, opening up the rest of the evening for clubs - splendid!

The one place I wish I had had someone else to work with was on Khreshatyk on a weekend evening – a truly glorious scene on a summer evening! Snowy’s fashion report is that the girls are nearly exclusively wearing ridiculously tight hipsters with a wide variety of killer and impractical footware and big shades (to be worn at all times in and outside). Bodies are hard, butts are tight, tops are short, bras are optional and beer and cigarettes are cheap – it’s fair to say I was a happy man! You need no language skills to appreciate the glorious view. On my return to London the fashion was similar and whilst the hipsters were still tight, the bodies were not so hard (shiver)! Anyway, weekend evenings are packed and the girls are on parade and are hit on continually by groups of local guys. They seem completely used to being approached continually and seem to have little problem with it and little problem with sending the guys packing.

The girls in Kiev are pretty confident and not to be under-estimated – they’re not stupid, not desperate and will not swoon at the first sign of a Westerner with cash - they are also very, very aware that they’re hot! Rewards are to be had, but you still have to work to get success (especially in a short stay).

I did okay on Khreshatyk on one Friday night – got a few numbers and ended up taking a couple of cute students out for some drinks and slept with one of them, but it was hard work on my own. Some of the other numbers I got I decided not to follow up on as I wasn't too sure the rewards were to be had this trip - had a smell of high maintenance and low return. Too many other options to take the risk wasting my time. A lot of the girls are happy to spend the evening talking and drinking outside with their friends and approaching a group of 4-5 girls on your own is not too easy or successful. I think if there is 2 or more of you, the success rate will be far higher. I had a lot more success on my own on weekdays in the early evening, where meeting girls who were going for a quick drink after work seemed relatively easy.

From a restaurant perspective can I add my recommendation to Taras in Shevchenka Park, which was really excellent. I also went to some relatively new place – Hot Mamas, I think, on Tereschenkivs’ka. It’s a USA style diner dedicated to The Rolling Stones, with a range of tacky named dishes. The food was really average, but I went there twice with different groups of girls and they seemed to really like it and it’s just down the road from one of the Universities where some of the girls went.

For those who have PMd me about translatorkiev, can I just reiterate that, to the best of my knowledge, this is not a p4p site.

Hope some of this helps someone – I really can’t recommend enough learning a bit of Russian before you go. Saves a fortune on taxis and opens up so many other opportunities with different girls. Regardless, if you haven’t been to Kiev…go. Great girls, cheap nightlife, much fun.

[Rio Nut]

Hello,

Is it true that Asian-American men will be treated quite badly in the Ukraine (stares, racial slurs, etc) as the Ukrainians are quite racist against Asians and Blacks?

[NeilSydney]

Thank you everyone for your information on vipgateway.com.

They looked like they would have been useful. I was planning on perhaps using their services outside of Kiev, but I guess with only 5 days in the country available to me, I might just be restricted to Kiev.

As for apartments, I ended up going with ww.kievapartment.com
They havent been mentioned much on this site before, but they were very very quick in arranging my accomodation and visa support. I guess the test is what the place is really like when I get to the apartment.

Snowy - kind sir, I was just wondering which one of the translators on http://translatorkiev.by.ru you ended up with. To be honest, the website looks a little amateur, but I'm sure that could be misleading.

Anyway, I've had a couple of people express an interest in meeting in Kyiv at the end of August (25-30; I just miss their independence day, I think..damnit!). If there are any people living there who might be willing to share a beer or three with us, please let me know. Thanks!

[Bez Bezarra]

Neil.

I have heard that agency no longer has any contacts available in Kharkov.
Which is a pity, because the scene there is difficult without inside help.

Kharkov dyev from 2 weeks ago.

[Nauskas]

I will be in Kiev 8-17 July. Probably out exploring other parts of the country between then.

Wouldn't mind trying to meet up with others.

Any Kiev or Ukraine hotel notes would be greatly appreciated. Any websites or preferred booking methods. If just a drop-in is safe from the rack rate.

I am looking more seriously at an apartment. Which areas\streets\landmarks are better, especially that are easy walks to sources of food !

Please PM me or post thanks

[Roger Mellie]

Neil

I had trouble making contact with them by phone or by email when I was in Kiev and Kharkov a few months back. I would have liked to try them but it didnt seem to work out

[Ham Bloke]

Anyone going to be in Kiev this weekend of June 19th and wants to grab a drink?

Feel free to PM me. Thanks.

[Snowy]

Neil,

I haven't used vipgateway, which sounded a pretty complete service from the report, but I did hire a guide for an afternoon when I was in Kiev last week from http://translatorkiev.by.ru/SaPer/services.htm.

I just hired one of their girls for a few hours for a trip around the touristy bits of Kiev, and she was great. They seem to offer a whole range of additional support services for tourist and business travellers and the boss (Alex?) answered all emails promptly. I can't personally reccomend any of their other services as I haven't used them, but they seemed genuine and reliable.

For apartments, I can personally reccomend both http://www.alserent.kiev.ua/ and http://www.uaapartments.com/. Again I can't vouch for their other services such as translators and guides, but both were excellent to deal with and reliable for their apartments.

[NeilSydney]

Hi all,

There was a post in this thread about 6 months ago about a service from www.vipgateway.com which offered translating, transfers, apartments, concierge etc etc in Kiev and Kharkov

I contacted them a few months back and they sounded very professional. But since then I have not had any replies to my emails.

Has anyone used them recently, or know if they are still around?

Cheers.

[Bez Bezarra]

Tastin' away again in Margarita's box.

Sorry about the little green man Martian tint. Left the night vision setting on and I was too drunk on pussy juice to figure out how to switch it off. Too bad, she was a redhead.

[Bez Bezarra]

Just be normal and get a flat!

[Jetlagged]

Mickey Mouse - I stayed in the Rus a few weeks back. Hotel is good and rooms amongst best in Kiev. Girl friendly if you drop $20 to security each time. However, it is 15 minutes walk to main street (Krisyatic St - wrong spelling) although taxis no problem. I have stayed in most hotels in Kiev and find Dnipro is best as it is on main street and is girl friendly although the rooms are a bit small.

[Mickey Mouse]

Gentlemen,
Could I please get some advice about hotels (I prefer Hotels to apts) in Kiev? I am interested in girl friendly, safe and centrally located with all the amenities. The Hotel Rus was recommended to me, but I haven't read anything about it except its' own propaganda.
A July trip for a few days may be in the cards so please PM me with any suggestions you may have,
Thankyou,
The Mouse