Kyiv

[Brandon88]

T, I agree with you. Once a drink has left my sight that's the end of the drink for me, whether I'm in NYC, Paris or Kyiv.

Meash, I wouldn't even bother with RP. Once you learn Russian you'll be finding pro's on flirt.com.ua for $60-$80 a session.

I remember back in my barbacking days in the late 80's, the policy was to go and clear out any drinks left on tables while the patrons got up to dance. This was to maximize revenue.

[LifeSavour]

Use google. Translate.com

Select Russian to english

Enter the web site: slando.com.ua

Hit translate,

Click on apartment rent and look.

You can even select apts from owners.

Points to remember. An agent will charge 50% of 1st month for commish.

Most owners want at least 5 to 6 months 'terms'.

Ps. Good luck in finding a $200 flat. Rooms are renting for that in some areas.

[Meashearim]

Well, then I can relax, I just don't want to feel that I am getting cheated (too much), so if this is the scenario for the rest of you guys, I am fine with it. I had started to think that I was missing out of some goldmine here in Kiev, but as you say – I am at least 10 years too late (and that hurts).

No girl – neither here nor in Poland (this summer) – has so far agreed on photos! I do not know how you put the question to them, but as soon as I reach for my camera or mobile phone they just say "no, no!", and I am not pushing it further than that.

I like the atmosphere there (RP), so for me it is not a problem to arrive at midnight or 1 am, and stay till 4, 5 or 6 am. And if there is a possibility for a better deal – I will take it. It is also some kind of competition, inner satisfaction, to get as good deal as possible.

Soon I may actually catch a whizz-flight to Poland for some good $50-deals. I won't miss that boat.

You need to realize what year this is, and what city you're in, and you'll soon come to the realization that you've missed the $50 boat you think you are going to find.

You're in the capital, and hotties don't sell themselves to foreigners for $50 there anymore! You're at least 10 years too late for those prices.

As for sitting around every night drinking and waiting until 4 o'clock in the morning to get a girl, just to save $80, well, that must be some kind of young man's fantasy. To me, sleeping all day is just not an option that makes any sense.

By the way, where's the fotos of the five $200 River Palace girls you've paid for????

[Hal Johnson]

Kurenda,

Thanks for answering my questions. This information is very helpful.

I am in the process of getting visas for Belarus and Russia. You are right, it is a complicated process.

I will definitely have decided Kiev is best. Now, my strategy is to line up some freebies before I get there using Mamba and Flirt.

I will write some questions in the other Ukraine thread regarding finding an apartment. Since, I am a student, I would like to find something in the $200-300 USD a month. Is that possible?

Thanks again for the advice!

[CallSign Papa]

You need to realize what year this is, and what city you're in, and you'll soon come to the realization that you've missed the $50 boat you think you are going to find.

You're in the capital, and hotties don't sell themselves to foreigners for $50 there anymore! You're at least 10 years too late for those prices.

As for sitting around every night drinking and waiting until 4 o'clock in the morning to get a girl, just to save $80, well, that must be some kind of young man's fantasy. To me, sleeping all day is just not an option that makes any sense.

By the way, where's the fotos of the five $200 River Palace girls you've paid for????

Sorry Bez, no camera's on the last trip, however I will make a special effort when I'm there next just for you.

[Bez Bezarra]

I just wonder how to get girls for 450 grivnas/hour.

Apartments cost 900–1200 grivnas if you want the best girls.

I would love if they only cost 450 grivnas/hour.

During two weeks in Kiev I have been 7 times at River Palace.

To bring down the price more, time had passed 4 o'clock.

I wonder how much a local pays.

You need to realize what year this is, and what city you're in, and you'll soon come to the realization that you've missed the $50 boat you think you are going to find.

You're in the capital, and hotties don't sell themselves to foreigners for $50 there anymore! You're at least 10 years too late for those prices.

As for sitting around every night drinking and waiting until 4 o'clock in the morning to get a girl, just to save $80, well, that must be some kind of young man's fantasy. To me, sleeping all day is just not an option that makes any sense.

By the way, where's the fotos of the five $200 River Palace girls you've paid for????

[Kurenda]

Hal pay attention to this:
Most "blonde" nation are baltic states like Lastvia and Estonia.
In Ukraine if you go to very south there will be more dark haired people becuase of the greek influence. In average there will be more blond people in Ukraine than in Latvia since Ukraine has more than 10 times bigger population.
No matter Belarus is less explored for a foreigner it's more costly country than Ukraine. In Belarus there's simple rule: everything domestic is cheap and everything western and imported is VERY costly. If we talks about good time, night life and availability of sex Kiev is XXX times better than Minsk.
If you stay in Kiev and want to go to Belarus and Russia it will be harder than you think. Since you're US citizen belarusian visa you can get only back home. Belarus law doesn't allow to get their visa in third country. There are exceptions but it's very costly. On the other hand you can get russian visa in Kiev if you have a permanent stay in Ukraine but usually it's bitchy because of strain relations between Ukraine and Russia. So the best is to make trips to Moldova and Poland and also baltic states but only by air.
About making prior contacts try dating sites like mamba but don't rely much on it. Don't use any "marriage agency" they are mostly after your money and big rip off.

[CallSign Papa]

Hal, there are a lot of factors involved here, about freebies obviously thats determined on how young /handsome you are, always the case, or maybe your average guy but charming and can get them this way? Who knows anything is possible in ukraine, I think if you take all the former soviet states in general the blonde will be the same, estonia, latvia, belarus, ukraine, its all much of a muchness, I've been to all above mentioned and after all theses years I still can't separate them on quality, if I had to choose I would say latvian girls are the sexiest I've come across, but then again Estonions are awesome, I been in Vilnius and seen total model quality girls but there is not enough of them, whereas kiev they are plentiful. Thats befor we even talk about odessa/moscow/saint petersburg. Forget about belarus, stick with kiev, its def cosmopolitan and has a nice vibe.

Diceman,

I'd go a bit further and say that despite age and looks, to pick up freebies in Kiev you have to know Russian. Being able to make jokes in russian gets you further than a nice haircut and fumbling english imo.

[Hal Johnson]

Diceman,

I will definitely be making Kiev my homebase.

Thanks for the insights.

I appreciate it.

[Diceman]

I was also leaning for Kiev for the following reasons, I'm a US citizen, no visa needed. Also, it seems like there is more mongering to be done there.

Also, hopefully, I assume lots more freebies who understand English.

Based on what you said, the culture seems to be more liberal than Belarus so maybe the freebies would also be easier.

1. The only hesitation I had was whether there are more blondes in Belarus than in Ukraine.

2. Also, since Belarus is less explored, it is cheaper and easier for a foreigner to pick up freebies.

I would be interested to hear from you guys abour your thoughts on this?

Based on what you have told me thus far, I will stay in Kiev and go on trips to Belarus, Russia and Moldova.

Any ideas for me on how to set up some easy freebies before I get there. Do you recommed any good dating sites that I can check out prior to getting over there? What about those marriage sites? I am definitely not interested in getting married but are there any ways to meet some easy freebies who want to meet foreigners through those sites? Any you would recommend?

Thanks so much for all the advice. It is very helpful. I am really excited and looking forward to this extended trip.

Hal, there are a lot of factors involved here, about freebies obviously thats determined on how young /handsome you are, always the case, or maybe your average guy but charming and can get them this way? Who knows anything is possible in ukraine, I think if you take all the former soviet states in general the blonde will be the same, estonia, latvia, belarus, ukraine, its all much of a muchness, I've been to all above mentioned and after all theses years I still can't separate them on quality, if I had to choose I would say latvian girls are the sexiest I've come across, but then again Estonions are awesome, I been in Vilnius and seen total model quality girls but there is not enough of them, whereas kiev they are plentiful. Thats befor we even talk about odessa/moscow/saint petersburg. Forget about belarus, stick with kiev, its def cosmopolitan and has a nice vibe.

[Meashearim]

I just wonder how to get girls for 450 grivnas/hour.

Definitely not at River Palace. And the girls at the apartments cost 900–1200 grivnas if you want the best apartment-girls.

Basically I only look for top-of-the-line-girls, and I would love if they only cost 450 grivnas/hour (now we are talking!).

During the two weeks I have spent in Kiev I have been 7 times at the River Palace, and brought home 5 RP-girls so far. I guess all girls go when you tell them $200, and there is absolutely no need to pay more.

The problem gets to bringing down the price more. It is not such a problem when coming to students and average-looking girls, but the best RP-girls are pretty hard to negotiate with, even though my friend went with a very hot girl for only 1000 grivnas (120 dollar). It was the second time with her, so I guess it was some kind of discount, and time had also passed 4 o'clock.

Interesting is that most girls go home alone if they have a "bad" night. Their motto seems to be "better no business than 'bad' business". And I cannot help smiling inside when I see this happen night after night. Have they ever heard of the expression Supply and demand?

Last night a whole bunch of Ukrainian businessmen entered, I guess only for drinks and some fun (read observation). But I wonder how much a local pay at these places. Having in mind how much (little) they make a month there is no way they pay as much as we do. And I wonder when I will be paying these prices.

I do not know how it would be going to a fancy place like Arena, but my friends told me that the girls there are even more cold-hearted and greedy than the RP-girls, only looking for free drinks, entrances, expensive dinners, and pampam – suddenly you are in a Prada-store shopping – without getting anything back.

"Men often should come back home with no woman if price is not Ukrainian sized". Sounds as a good idea I will try to implement more often than so far – but you always want a good start of a new journey...

Yes, the same Slavic trick: a "special price for you", the triple of the double price for you only

For your convenience, if you want covered oral and vaginal sex, the rate is 450 grivnas/first hour and looking around you can find 300$ for one DAY.

You, men, should understand:

- men should agree only when prices are Ukrainian sized;

- women often don't want any kind of negotiation;

- men often should come back home with no woman if price is not Ukrainian sized;

Cut losses also means: "OK, I payed a flight, an accommodation, everything to come to a Eastern country, but I didn't pay to make me scammed."

And Read This Fucking Forum BEFORE to leave your country!!!

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[Hal Johnson]

I was also leaning for Kiev for the following reasons, I'm a US citizen, no visa needed. Also, it seems like there is more mongering to be done there.

Also, hopefully, I assume lots more freebies who understand English.

Based on what you said, the culture seems to be more liberal than Belarus so maybe the freebies would also be easier.

1. The only hesitation I had was whether there are more blondes in Belarus than in Ukraine.

2. Also, since Belarus is less explored, it is cheaper and easier for a foreigner to pick up freebies.

I would be interested to hear from you guys abour your thoughts on this?

Based on what you have told me thus far, I will stay in Kiev and go on trips to Belarus, Russia and Moldova.

Any ideas for me on how to set up some easy freebies before I get there. Do you recommed any good dating sites that I can check out prior to getting over there? What about those marriage sites? I am definitely not interested in getting married but are there any ways to meet some easy freebies who want to meet foreigners through those sites? Any you would recommend?

Thanks so much for all the advice. It is very helpful. I am really excited and looking forward to this extended trip.

[CallSign Papa]

Cut losses also means: "OK, I payed a flight, an accommodation, everything to come to a Eastern country, but I didn't pay to make me scammed."

And Read This Fucking Forum BEFORE to leave your country!!!

Chill brother, I visit kiev regularly enough to know when I'm overpaying (and in RP, you ALWAYS overpay), but I was there with friends and didn't want to spoil the mood for everyone else.

If I'm there on my own I usually pick up contacts on mamba.ru for a week before I leave and rarely pay more than $150 even for top class poontang.

Horses for courses.

[Kob00]

For people who speak Russian, dude understand this or else you need to go to Premier Palace Hotel and spend over 20,000$ in a month or 3 weeks to satisfy your needs. You're free.

[El Cubanito]

It can be said in one word: KIEV!!

If you read the forum you easily understand why!

So go to Kiev. ok