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03-17-22 22:03 #22195
Posts: 2374Last time in Ukraine for me was 2013. Already there were some bad signs. On the girl front, there were lip and boob implants, or whatever they are, botux, and changed attitude from visits going back a decade. I can't be the only one who noticed this. On the same summer trip, I went down to Odessa, and it happened to be on Ukraine Independence Day. On the edge of a big Park, there was a parade, actually it was a procession of military vehicles -- tanks and various types of similar. They went around in front of the crowd, then back behind a big central building, and came around again over and over. Maybe 20 vehicles, but it created the illusion it was an entire army. The crowd was enthusiastic, especially the kids. When it was over, the vehicles stopped, the troops got out and let the kids in -- into the tanks, into everything. They couldn't be held back and wanted to touch everything. Can't blame them, might have done the same thing at that age if given the chance, only the chance wasn't there. I watched these kids and thought what are they thinking letting them inside tanks and holding the guns like that. Well, here it is ten years' later and they get to play for real.
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03-17-22 21:19 #22194
Posts: 43Reply
I'm not a fraud. I had nothing remarkable to post or report, I simply read posts and visited different places. I am sure they are plenty of other lurkers in the forum.
We came here as we knew that foreigners were leaving Ukraine. We also assumed that it would be easier to meet women. We didn't expect Putin to invade and I don't think anyone thought he would actually go through with it.
Again, if you don't believe me that's up to you. I have no motivation to mislead or lie to others. We were assaulted. Now will every foreigner that comes to Ukraine get assaulted? Of course not.
However from what I have observed, there is more of a negative attitude towards obvious foreigners here.
Everything I am posting is just my opinion from what me and my group have experienced. I am not writing this as some authority. I am just a single monger. If someone else comes to Ukraine and doesn't agree with what I posted, that's fine. There's no argument, it is just two different sides. The more information on a place, the better in my opinion.
When the war finishes and other mongers come to Ukraine. I hope they will contribute and write about their experiences on the attitudes of Ukrainians towards foreigners.
As for me being a sleeper account created by Russian trolls. OK. As I have stated repeatedly, if you don't believe me that's fine. I have no reason to lie or mislead anyone.
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03-17-22 20:06 #22193
Posts: 516Fortress or Siege Mentality
Originally Posted by Sorbonne [View Original Post]
The "No Fly Zone" is probably the best current example. It's perfectly rational and reasonable for NATO countries to point out how the imposition of a NFZ would escalate the situation and likely make things worse. But Ukrainians who've lost loved ones and seen their towns and cities reduced to rubble aren't feeling particularly reasonable, and their responses are (understandably) coming from an emotional place, not a rational one.
Such strength of feeling is likely to last a long time for many, perhaps even generations. While there will certainly be individual, and perhaps regional, variations, it's my guess the level of anger against non-aggressors will be highest against the stronger NATO countries, such as the US, UK, Germany, etc. That's simply a function of the fact that they have more power to help and, in the minds of many (most?) Ukrainians, have failed to do so or failed to do enough.
It's impossible to predict the future, and much depends on how long the war continues, and how it ends, but the country and its people have already been permanently scarred. Which means that it will be prudent for anyone visiting Ukraine to take that into account.
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03-17-22 19:41 #22192
Posts: 55LOL crippling sanctions
Originally Posted by TheCane [View Original Post]
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03-17-22 17:25 #22191
Posts: 2814Originally Posted by TheCane [View Original Post]
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03-17-22 17:24 #22190
Posts: 2041Originally Posted by TheCane [View Original Post]
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03-17-22 15:24 #22189
Posts: 6444Sanctions
Originally Posted by YummyPL [View Original Post]
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03-17-22 14:47 #22188
Posts: 499Originally Posted by DramaFree11 [View Original Post]
I also enjoy Moscow. At least I did 5-7 years ago. But it is far from paradise. I can't imagine Moscow is improving.
Who knows what the future will hold. What we know for sure is that Ukraine will be a very different place when this is over.
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03-17-22 01:12 #22187
Posts: 2814Originally Posted by YummyPL [View Original Post]
When you an others do not give accurate reports, you are doing a disservice to others. I got sick watching people getting screwed over. You know this as well as I do.
Obviously, you do not read some of your role models reports, they were claiming it was paradise even up until the end.
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03-17-22 00:55 #22186
Posts: 499Originally Posted by DramaFree11 [View Original Post]
No one is saying Ukraine is a paradise. Monger paradises don't exist anymore.
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03-16-22 23:05 #22185
Posts: 2814Originally Posted by YummyPL [View Original Post]
I feel horrible for the people of Ukraine, not so much for there government. I have zero compassion for those returning to flight a loosening battle. Many of those left years ago because of corruption and better opportunities. They choose not to flight then to save there country, maybe they should have fought to save there country then. Ukraine was screwed either way, horrible situation. There will be no winners, maybe China.
Putin is definitely to blame, but everyone is mishandling this including America and Europe. The clown running Ukraine is also making everything worse, there will be nothing less. In war a tie is not a win.
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03-16-22 22:59 #22184
Posts: 43Reply
I'm not sure what to say to those who don't believe me. If you think what I'm saying is not true, then so be it.
I have no reason to falsify my reports or mislead anyone.
Once the war is over, I hope other Travelers come to Kyiv and experience the attitude of the Ukrainians towards foreigners.
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03-16-22 22:50 #22183
Posts: 499Originally Posted by DramaFree11 [View Original Post]
I don't know when the last time you "walked down the street" during a military parade (I am doubtful that you ever have), but the Ukrainian military has changed dramatically in the last 8 years.
I have been in Moscow during the May Day parade. They put on a good show, but it is a very thin faade.
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03-16-22 22:44 #22182
Posts: 499Originally Posted by HulaHoops [View Original Post]
While I left Kyiv just days before the invasion (my employer pulled me out against my wishes) so don't have first had reports now, I am in daily contact with dozens of people on the ground. Things are bleak, but certain contributors are just making shit up.
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03-13-22 18:26 #22181
Posts: 505Originally Posted by Sorbonne [View Original Post]
In case, Burgas (BG) the destination, I might be of help.