Kyiv

[Member #4491]

I was not complaining about the admin but never mind.

And now I forgot all the other important shit in that post. But somehow other members must have read it since I got one PM and one email on the topic. I am puzzled. Did someone rat me out? Someone here that hates Barba and want him silenced? Intriguing mystery.

Lately I have been lucky with girls from social sites. I have normal correspondence with really pretty girls. Jerk off material stunners even. It makes such a difference to take one step away from the drooling P4P seeking sex depraved pocket wanker personality, and be just a fun guy looking for some "excitement and friendly people to hang out with" (yea right). One girl was talking today about how she met a young football fan and ended up kissing him but nothing "serious" would ever happen between them anyway since he is now gone. She is eager to meet and show me her favorite beach. She mentioned that she loves sex and would never ruin that with doing it for money. Just a sexually liberated girl that wants some fun.

I am also puzzled about this streak of luck lately with the girls from the various sites. Another sweet and very pretty girl has clearly a history of being quite an exclusive travel companion since she is posing on pictures that indicates that she f*cked herself all the way to Egypt and onto an expensive boat. Really happy and friendly person in her communication and she has a "normal job" as well. Maybe she would be a good talent to invite to Dubai. I think I got to meet her in July. I will get back on that topic and maybe even post some juicy details on this mystery girl. She seems to be girlfriend material but her pictures indicates I would need to share her. As long as she shares her friends, that is totally fine with me.

Yellowpaul, do you intend to stick your t-rex in the guide or is it a real guide you need? Let me suggest you look for an apartment around Khreschatyk on for example http://kievapts.com/.

AColonizer, like your comparison with the rubber doll. You are a strange bird but you are telling the truth sometimes. These mentally corrupt rubber dolls do not deserve our money.

Barba

[Goodbye Lenin]

Is the River Palace closed?

Thanks

Yes, since summer 2010.

[YellowPaul]

I'm thinking about finally making to Kiev in August from 5th-12th. After the Euro cup is finished.

I will start the long process of going through the old threads to gather information but I would appreciate if anybody could give a quick answer to.

1) The best apartment / flat rental which is safe, centrally located and has free WiFi.

2) A attractive female translator / guide. I'm going solo and don't want to waste time.

If any long term mongers are in town and would like to meet up for a beer that would be great.

My PM should be working in the soon.

Cheers.

PY

[Member #4491]

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[Jojosun]

Is the River Palace closed.

Thanks

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The River.

Open 24/7. It never closes.

What time were you thinking of Cumming?

[The Stuntdick]

Is the River Palace closed.

Thanks

[PedroToronja]

Try the clubs, they are full of WG, so you get the P2P you want. Caribbean, Arena, Sky Club, Vodka Bar. I stay away from strip clubs, you get fucked but you don't get laid.

Mamba also provided me with some average and some very good material, including non-pros looking for somebody who can fuck them good. Others need a little help with their finances. Ukrainian men do not care to give their girls good sex. UA girls are sex starved. Guys never go down on them and don't care if they cum.

[LilJoey]

again, $300, $500 or $800 for "all night" is insane, not a "package deal". i have read somewhere that the average porn scene lasts 12. 5 minutes. these are professionals. maybe you are better, two times better, or even 4 times better, and you would still not make it to a full hour.

at fkks the standard time is 30 minutes. in most cases you see couples coming back out in about 15 (and that includes clean up and whatever else they did there that did not include actual sex). if for some reason you are still gong at the 15 minute mark the girls are surprised, usually not pleasantly surprised, and they might start complaining.

in any case, taking a girl to your apartment or hotel room is different, but still, even with all the preamble and clean-up, and even if you are s super stud that belongs in a porn studio, a session will seldom last longer than 1 hour.

even if you have the refractory period of an 18 year old and are ready to go again in 15 minutes, there is still the collidge effect (repeated arousal is easier with different partners). even if you area able and willing, will she? how many times would she be willing to have sex during that "all night" deal? maybe i am begin too modest here, but i guess that for most of us. 3 times per night would be the maximum (before going to sleep, in the middle of the night, maybe, if she agrees, and in the morning).

so, mostly you are paying her to sleep. not even to talk with you, be with you, show you around the city, make you feel good by hanging from your arm in public. you are paying her to sleep. she gets to sleep in an apartment that is likely nicer than her own, and you might not get a good night's sleep.

that is not a package deal. a package deal is standard for the first about (100 usd or less) and less than than (maybe 50) for the second about in the morning. if she wants the full price she can come back in the morning, or she can stay and inconvenience you and sleep there with you.

otherwise, you are paying her, to sleep. you are paying her half a month's or a full month's salary to sleep for 6 hours. what a great job!

dear stevie69,

i actually agree with you about not wanting to pay for sleeping with the girl. i was only trying to point out just the sheer raw economic advantage possible in getting many more hours with a top flight girl in the context of a "package deal" price of usually little more than double the initial hour price, for many, many hours.

of course, to the extent those hours are spent sleeping, it's more or less pissing the money away. personally, i am not an easy sleeper, and just as you said, the presence of a very hot girl in my bed all night, did not help at all, and my sleep was very disturbed the few times i did this.

for me, in a package deal for multiple hours booking, i look at the time i will have that can be enjoyed while awake with a beautiful girl, who has a nice personality and with whom i have fun talking with and sharing time with. at night or during the day this can include going out to nightclub dancing, or eating together, or cuddling in bed together and talking, or necking, kissing and petting like teenagers, or sitting in a jacuzzi together playing with each other's bodies, or massaging her and being massaged by the girl, or going to musical or cultural events, or seeing sights, or to cafes and bars to drink, or to the beach, or bowling, or a thousand other ways a man can enjoy time with a beautiful young girl whom he likes and enjoys her company, your own imagination and the horizon of your interests is the limit. so if for such companionship time the price is very low, it becomes something to consider. also, as time passes with a girl, it is not unusual to get aroused again after some hours pass and since she is with you, sex can happen again.

of course i recognize that there is a big difference in hooking up with a girl who charges only $100 for the first hour, versus a high priced girl one might pick up in a nightclub like d'lux or a strip club, who might charge $200 or $300 for the first couple of hours with her as her initial rate.

i always say that each monger should spend according to how he likes to spend. if $100 suits a monger as a reasonable hourly price, then he should focus on girls from mamba or other websites who ask those lower fees or try to find girls in nightclubs who will agree to those lower fees, and be satisfied with their level of good looks. most mongers who report their experiences with those types of girls claim that they were able to get girls who were in their eyes very beautiful. so why spend more?

but if there are mongers who honestly feel they are not finding girls who are really that beautiful at the lower prices of $75 or $100 / hour, and they wish to get to much more beautiful p4p girls they see all around in the nightclubs and strip clubs, who are asking higher prices of $200 or $300 for several hours, and they have money and are willing to pay those prices to get the more beautiful girls they want, what sense does it make to criticize their desires for bedding the hot but expensive wg's just because you might be satisfied with less? there really is no right and wrong in this, and each monger should spend as he desires. as long as everyone knows what options are available and on the table, everyone should be free to choose as they like, no?

so if i tell you that i feel i have gotten girls for the higher prices of $300 who in my eyes were far more beautiful than the girls i could have gotten for $100, and i am satisfied that i got good value for the extra money paid because of the higher level of beauty i experienced according to the way my eyes saw the beauty, then why can't some mongers live with the idea of to each his own? we all know beauty is subjective, and is in the eyes of the beholder, so even if for example they actually saw my $300 girl, and didn't think she was so much hotter than their $100 girl, the most they could say to themselves would be,"hmmmm, not for me. i would rather take the girl for $100". but what they can't say is that i should prefer their $100 girl, because my feeling was that she was much less hot than the beauty who i took for $300, because that was my opinion about how the two girls compared in the looks department. it's really a silly argument. it's like two guys getting incensed at each other while arguing over which color is better, blue or red? one guy insists that blue is more beautiful, while the other guy says he enjoys red more. ridiculous argument. or maybe we can argue over blondes or brunettes? tall girls or petite girls? it's all a matter of taste.

when you read the debate between prosal and cruiser d about what kind of clothing and accessories are best to wear to kiev nightclubs to be successful with freebie chasing of the hottest models, did you not say once to yourself, well i would not spend so much money on clothing or accessories or mink coats like these guys, it's too much. but for some guys, spending and spending on high fashion clothing is a must. to each his own, or don't you really think so.

the honest monger report will state that in kiev it's best to try to meet a reasonable amount of girls from websites like mamba for $100 or less per hour and try to find the type of girl you want at these lower pricesis available in kiev. and to also go take a look at the type of girls available for p4p in the various nightclubs, as the former river palace scene has spread out to the various nightclubs, and check out the talent at the strip clubs too, but be aware of the higher prices there versus the lower prices on mamba, and only spend more than the low prices if you personally have compared the beauty levels of both types and feel it is worth it to spend more. the job of a reporting monger is to make readers aware of all the options, as well as the pros and cons, the advantages and pitfalls inherent in each option, so that an informed choice can be made by each monger according to his tastes and his pocketbook. there are too many guys on this forum who have totalitarian mindsets and feel they must intimidate by insult and smear anyone who may differ with their own opinion and viewpoint. it's unfortunate that democratic thinking is not so prevalent. such people perhaps have issues with controlling behavior in the rest of their personal lives and are acting out here on this forum. but it's not rational discourse, and is very tiresome.

i would also like to address what you wrote about the fkk's. i always go to an fkk with the intention of saving money "this time" and only having half hour sessions. but i always find that when i like a girl i end up spending an hour with her and sometimes 1. 5 hours. none of that time is spent "cleaning up". one of the great advantages of an fkk is that all of the time in the room is available for sexual activities.

how does an hour and a half go by of sexual activities when the guy is in his 50's, and no pornstar? it's really not such a difficult thing to carry out.

the sexual activities spread over a 1. 5 hour session include kissing the girl all over and giving her oral sex (daty). if a girl is very beautiful, i enjoy very much licking and kissing her pussy, and i get very aroused from doing it, especially if she begins to become aroused from the good feelings of pleasure spilling through her body because of the flicks of my tongue across and around her clitoris, and her moans and the shudders i can see in her body as she gets near to an orgasm, are very erotic and greatly turn me on, and needless to say when she reaches a climax and her body convulses in a shattering orgasm, i am immensely pleasured and entertained. but sometimes a girl's mind is not tuned in and then she doesn't get so aroused and so i discontinue my efforts. i can usually spot the fakers and don't continue on with them very long. so with a girl who is into enjoying oral sex, this can go on for some time, maybe 10 to 15 minutes or longer, depending on the girl. maybe after a while, we'll switch roles and she will begin giving me oral sex (bbbj) and i try to make this last as long as i can. usually, unless the girl gets me in just the right way with the right speed, i can outlast any of them and will not be in danger of cumming before the girl says her mouth hurts and she wants to do something else. this too can go on for a nice little whiile, maybe 15 minutes even, depending on the girl. at this point we are usually over the half hour mark and into the next half hour. at some point she wants to stop blowing me, and i usually get her up on top of me cowgirl style so i can allow her to seat herself comfortably on my dick and ride me for a while which is a great turn on as i get to see the sexiness of her body and shape as she fucks me, and i can see the expressions on her face, and any smiles and her signs of arousal that inspire me. maybe then i turn her around for some reverse cowgirl, and a particular version of it which one girl taught me (where the girl is actually on all fours doggie position between your legs facing toward your feet as you lie on your back with your knees up, and she hooks her legs under your legs and backs up until she's able to sit on your dick. this position is of course very easy for you since you are lying on your back, and it is easy for the girl since she is on all fours rocking forward and back, up and down on your dick, giving you an awesome view of your penetration into her nubile pussy, and since she is not doing calisthenics she will not get tired and can continue this for quite some time. i find it easy to control myself in this position and can prevent myself from getting too aroused and cumming. then after a while, one can switch over to the man being on top missionary for a while until tired of it, flip her around for doggie while you are standing, which is another less stress position than a man can continue for quite a while, and etc. etc. before you know it an hour or even an hour and a half has passed, and you have controlled yourself and the positions and the rhythm and speed of the fucking so that you have not fun yet and with your eye on the clock, you increase the pace and fuck her brains out until you cum just about almost on the mark of your session period.

it's so much more satisfying when you are able to enjoy licking and kissing and fucking a young girl's beautiful body for a long and quite memorable time. to go into a session and just fuck like the blazes until you cum inside 15 minutes of the session, is wasting the opportunity of that sperm load, which you could have used in a more long and drawn out sex session. is the point to get off in as quick a time as possible to spend as little as possible? not for me. having traveled quite a distance to put myself into an fkk club, and into a sex session room with a beautiful young girl, my purpose is to enjoy as many minutes of sexual involvement as i can with each girl. and to recharge in between, and do such sessions with as many girls as i can manage each night at the fkk.

but the dynamics inside of an fkk are different than in kiev. my experience has been that because there are sexy naked women all over you all the time in an fkk, that you get aroused to do more sex there. in kiev, i always end up doing much less because after each girl leaves, i will have to go and get another girl. she is not already standing in front of me naked and playing with my dick until i agree to have sex with her like at an fkk. so in between the time i finish with the first girl in kiev and contemplate the next girl, something else usually comes to mind instead, like sleeping or eating or whatever.

in kiev, i would be happy to be with one very beautiful girl every night of my visit and have her for 1. 5 to 2 hours of sexual activity, and then have another hot girl during the daytime for similar. i would like to sleep alone. but i would also like the pretty girl i had sex with to hang around with me when i'm not sleeping, so i can cuddle with her, bathe with her, lick her pussy more, make out with her, maybe fuck her again if i get turned on from the foregoing, go do outdoors stuff with her or whatever, if it can be arranged at a low and reasonable price for companionship time. and the point was that it is possible with a package deal price for long term companionship multiple hours dates.

lj

[AColonizer]

I am looking for new sex talents. And I am getting information about places closer my country.

And I am scared by men's nonsense.

I read reports in Ukraine thread. I see a lot of German advertisements throughout www. I read a lot of reports in Germany and Austria threads. I have contacted prostitutes and a pornstar in Germany.

And I wonder about men's nonsense. Why do men pay prostitutes much more than their regular girls or their wives for pussy condomed fuck (and tongue kiss and pussy lick)? Is it so hard a pussy condomed fuck? Why do men get married with women who don't want sex with their husbands? Why do men get cheated by any kind of chicken girl in that childish way? And why do men continue to pay prostitutes if men are not good at the easier deal with regular girls? And why do men pay crazy prices for sex if men don't know what is real sex and they are surprised for something more than a pussy condomed fuck?

That's frightening what I read throughtout www. Romanians are all over Western Europe, Romania is the official provider of prostitutes in Western Europa. Romanian government knows that, Romanian families know that, too. Congratulations, Romania is a great country indeed! Romanians have the worst attitude as women and prostitutes. And men don't mind about that, men always pay, anyway. I read about men satisfied by "a good fuck, even if she didn't kiss and she didn't make oral without condom", and I wonder "are you happy to pay a rubber doll"? And men don't mind about that, men always pay, anyway.

Just some men can actually appreciate Ukrainian girls. Just some men can understand the difference between a Romanian and an Ukrainian woman. Ukraine is one of the last place where there are still real females. We should protect this place from men's nonsense. More men always pay anyway, and more Ukrainian girls become like Western girls. More men are not good at dealing, and more Ukrainian women become like Western women. Ukrainian girls are not so easy but they are always interesting for better or for worse. That's always exciting to approach any females anywhere in Ukraine. And there are still men looking for some magic brothels in Kiev where to find the solution of their lives.

And I am scared by men's nonsense.

[Reiner Otto]

http://www.kyivpost.com/content/ukra...l#.T-DMCPX4WSp

[Golfinho]

Stevie, Joey, oy and vey. You're right: put the shills on ignore. Shame it took so long to get this called out.

[Dellam]

Need som advise, I was in Kiev last week and have a good time at Rio. I want to have contact with a girl that I meet over there. I remember here name but I lost the phone number. I need to know if she's working for the next trip.

Any suggestions?

Thanks,

Dellam

[Strike 69]

LJ, I read the first three lines and had to stop. It is only you who don't understand. I will just come and hold your hand instead, LJ. I will help you to type even.

You are the first to make it onto my block list ever here on ISG. Not because you are pathetic but because you are meaningless.

I will not see your responses but I am sure they will be lengthy and verbose, aiming at defending your manhood for your fantasy mates here at ISG. Don't forget to mention RIO at least once a day here.

Barba

To block annoying folks is the most wise thing ever, no need to waste precious energy arguing with weasels, I had similar experiences on FB an VK and I preferred to use the block function rather than feeding the trolls.

[Stevie69]

Again, $300, $500 or $800 for "all night" is insane, not a "package deal". I have read somewhere that the average porn scene lasts 12. 5 minutes. These are professionals. Maybe you are better, two times better, or even 4 times better, and you would still not make it to a full hour.

At FKKs the standard time is 30 minutes. In most cases you see couples coming back out in about 15 (and that includes clean up and whatever else they did there that did not include actual sex). If for some reason you are still gong at the 15 minute mark the girls are surprised, usually not pleasantly surprised, and they might start complaining.

In any case, taking a girl to your apartment or hotel room is different, but still, even with all the preamble and clean-up, and even if you are s super stud that belongs in a porn studio, a session will seldom last longer than 1 hour.

Even if you have the refractory period of an 18 year old and are ready to go again in 15 minutes, there is still the Collidge effect (repeated arousal is easier with different partners). Even if you area able and willing, will she? How many times would she be willing to have sex during that "all night" deal? Maybe I am begin too modest here, but I guess that for most of us. 3 times per night would be the maximum (before going to sleep, in the middle of the night, maybe, if she agrees, and in the morning).

So, mostly you are paying her to sleep. Not even to talk with you, be with you, show you around the city, make you feel good by hanging from your arm in public. You are paying her to sleep. She gets to sleep in an apartment that is likely nicer than her own, and you might not get a good night's sleep.

That is not a package deal. A package deal is standard for the first about (100 USD or less) and less than than (maybe 50) for the second about in the morning. If she wants the full price she can come back in the morning, or she can stay and inconvenience you and sleep there with you.

Otherwise, you are paying her, to sleep. You are paying her half a month's or a full month's salary to sleep for 6 hours. What a great job!

[AColonizer]

Bravo! If you and your fellows continue on this way, then this thread is not about Kiev but about mental masturbation. Dozens and dozens of flames and gossips!

Glad you discovered the "ignore" function. Embrace "Ignore", it is your best friend here!

But if you are still reading Acolons messages, then you are not being selective enough!