Kyiv

[Tomek123]

Disagree strongly. The cost of Rio can be upwards of four hundred plus when you factor all expenses. CBJ by a girl that wants to run back and get another customer ASAP. Not all girls are open to takeout. The few stunners I've seen in the place were decoys.

Here's the thing about Rio, years ago, it was the first stop for the countryside girls that turned to hooking. You could find fresh faces that treated you like a boyfriend because they knew nothing else. It's what Little Joe was trying to shill here years ago. But that's difficult to exploit unless you frequent the club regularly and can differentiate the new from the jaded.

Gia offers discounts. You can nail almost three girls daytime with BBBJ for the price of a Rio girl. I'm not a fan of the agency, but they do have a quality control. You're way more likely to get fucked in the wrong way at Rio.

Yes. I agree that Gia is much better than Rio. My Polish income does not allow me to constantly use the services of Gia. But I use my knowledge of Russian and my accent is very moderate-Many Ukrainians speak Russian with an accent or guys from the Caucasus-Georgia or Armenia. I recently fucked Polina for 4 000+CIM (hryvnia) per hour-this 160 USD. But if you are a guy who is clearly from the rich Western countries and does not speak absolutely in Russian then you can use only the English version and you will pay more-200 USD.

I say confidently that today Gia is the best agency in Eastern Europe. This quality and control. It's expensive, but in any case in the West it would be several times more expensive. Even in Poland. Secondly, I never had much trouble with the girls from Gia. They value their work and reputation.

For example, I really liked my experience with Polina. Not every girl in Rio will allow a man such a brutal hard sex. Rio is big money and big arrogance and in general Rio is the result of bad business. I do not understand how these guys from Rio can not in such a cheap, beautiful country create an excellent business? In Ukraine the most beautiful and cheap girls in Europe and in general the cheapest girls among the white nations! Why these guys can not create a normal business? I can understand if you have few beautiful women and they are very arrogant. If you have a country where most women are ugly and beautiful girls have huge ambitions. It's hard. I agree. But in Ukraine there is a huge amount of female material for choice and social standards are very low! This is bad business and very bad organization and bad management I think. So I do not like Rio.

But these girls from Rio do not really respect customers. For example, in Gia Marianna (girl) or Polina, they are submissive diligent girls who respect a man and want to please him in bed. Polina is very sweet and intelligent in communication, without arrogance and rudeness.

http://gia.la/girl/polina12

She does not have the option, "slave," but I allowed myself an extremely tough brutal sex. She did not show me that she did not like it. I could take her by the hair and slap her ass. I fucked her like a wild animal and she behaved very well. She has a child and cherishes her work. That I like her work and understanding of my brutal desires. She did everything with an understanding of my lustful fantasies. I sat down and began [CodeWord125] her in the mouth very deeply and rigidly-no problems. All for the client. I want to call her the dirtiest rough words like Pierre Woodman?-OK. No problems. All for the client.

I believe that this is correct. Then the agency finds good staff for the work. A good casting. She is one of the best in Blowjob and CIM in GIa.

I fed her with my sperm very abundantly and it was fucking cool. Anal I also liked. Maybe she was a little hurt but she was very patient and submissive.

Also I had a good and hard anal experience with a young Yulia. Very good CIM. I deliberately did not masturbate for several days before the meeting to get a powerful sperm fountain and excellent CIM. I paid for CIM 1000 hryvnia. It not a little but I was satisfied with. Nice service. The agency also often discounts. For example I fucked Rita three times for 3500. Now she also costs 3500.

For me, Gia is expensive, but if there is no free time for street work and clubs then GIA is a good choice. And GIA always dismisses girls if they are rude to the client. There rigid conditions of the contract.

[UrbanCowboy22]

Rio is still a decent option if you like strip clubs, you obviously see the girls beforehand, can speak with them, get a dance if you like, all with the possibility of take out. However I was slightly disappointed in the quality of girls on my last visit. Two years ago, in the summer, I found a petite brunette spinner by the name of Maya. Stunning face, gorgeous hair & a petite shapely body that only a teenager could possibly have. She had just turned 18, two months earlier & had been working at Rio for only one week. After a couple of private dances, I invited her back to my hotel, paid the $300. Upon arrival at my room, opened a bottle of champagne & put on some music. We started making out, (often depends on the girl, some girls won't kiss) removed her dress & panties & she was literally dripping wet. After a quick shower, we returned to the bed where unfortunately she didn't want to give a blowjob even with a cover but she proceeded to ride my cock almost nonstop for the next hour. We fucked in all kinds of positions, picked her up, put her on the desk then back to the bed, then to the counter in the bathroom. After an hour, we took a break to catch our breath, she spoke very little english so we communicated by google translator. I excused myself to the bathroom & decided to pop a Viagra pill just to gain some more stamina & get ready for another session. After about 30 minutes we fucked again. She stayed a little over 3 hours & actually left a little before 5 am. I am assuming the girls return to the club to collect their $ before going home. Unfortunately Maya is long gone. I returned to Rio in search of her but she has moved on. Not sure if any of you veterans on this board got to meet Maya but she was quite the firecracker! My experiences with Gia are rather limited but I have found the girls to look a bit older than their photos.

Disagree strongly. The cost of Rio can be upwards of four hundred plus when you factor all expenses. CBJ by a girl that wants to run back and get another customer ASAP. Not all girls are open to takeout. The few stunners I've seen in the place were decoys.

Here's the thing about Rio, years ago, it was the first stop for the countryside girls that turned to prostitution. You could find fresh faces that treated you like a boyfriend because they knew nothing else. It's what Little Joe was trying to shill here years ago. But that's difficult to exploit unless you frequent the club regularly and can differentiate the new from jaded.

Gia offers discounts. You can nail almost three girls daytime with BBBJ for the price of one Rio girl. I'm not a fan of Gia, but they do have a quality control. You're way more likely to get fucked in the wrong way at Rio.

[Riina]

Now that I have been and tried both, hands down it is Rio. I would not call Gia.

Disagree strongly. The cost of Rio can be upwards of four hundred plus when you factor all expenses. CBJ by a girl that wants to run back and get another customer ASAP. Not all girls are open to takeout. The few stunners I've seen in the place were decoys.

Here's the thing about Rio, years ago, it was the first stop for the countryside girls that turned to hooking. You could find fresh faces that treated you like a boyfriend because they knew nothing else. It's what Little Joe was trying to shill here years ago. But that's difficult to exploit unless you frequent the club regularly and can differentiate the new from the jaded.

Gia offers discounts. You can nail almost three girls daytime with BBBJ for the price of a Rio girl. I'm not a fan of the agency, but they do have a quality control. You're way more likely to get fucked in the wrong way at Rio.

[Vitrea]

Don't worry. They won't care. You should have no issues. In fact, the door man will think you are a stud.

Another good thing about Kiev is that working girls, don't dress sleazy like in some parts of the world. They dress very nicely. As a girl next door going out to eat. And which to me is a huge plus and frankly a turn on.

So I am arriving in Kiev this week and I realized the apartment I rented has a 24 hour attendant on staff at the front door. This is not a hotel, but an apartment building. This may be awkward bringing new girls in and out day after day. Anyone else see this as a problem, or could they give a shit less? Again, this is an apartment building, not a hotel. And hopefully they have a back entrance or something to the effect.

[Vitrea]

This question comes up from time to time and before I went to Kiev, I have wondered about it myself.

Now that I have been and tried both, hands down it is Rio. I would not call Gia.

Rio will be a bit more expensive but per hour is cheaper and you know what you are getting. You are sure to find at least one stunner and that is all you need. Besides, it is a fun place to hang out. Classy joint. Decent music. You can't go wrong if you don't mind spending $350. Including entrance and drink. Go at 10:30 to 11 pm and pick before midnight.

I've been spending several days in Kiev mainly focused on apartment girls, now I want to try something different. In terms of quality of girls, would gia or rio be a better choice?

Cheers.

[Tomek123]

Yes. This is true. But it is not known when these resources really stop their work in Ukraine.

President of Ukraine wants to look like a great patriot and makes populist steps. It's not very reasonable. I liked these resources. One of these girls I recently found on Odnoklassniki. She live 20 km near Kiev. We agreed to meet in Kiev for classic sex and BBBJ. But unfortunately she then changed her mind and said that she no longer needed my money. Then she wrote to me that this amount was not enough for her.

Her financial conditions seemed too high to me and I stopped talking to her.

[Biagio]

It's so true what you wrote in the below post!

Just after I wrote that they are many advertisers about fake "good prices" and fake "good girls", there appeared a bunch of advertisers from apartment girls, RIO and pimps /tour guide posting preposterous posts. Watch out, unsuspecting mongers! Don't get suckered in.

I often read "lower prices" or "good prices". I often read about Ukraine and Germany.

First of all, the best way to get a Slavic woman was taught by masters a lot of years ago.

Instead now, there are a lot of advertisers about fake "good prices" and fake "good girls".

I say, the silly sentence "money is not a problem" caused very fierce women and very bad services: Western world should teach!

Moreover, the male mindset is dying out: I am sure just 1% men in world population knows what is sex, the sexual act technique, the free sex culture and the open-relationship respect.

Somebody talks about lower prices but with whom: old, fat and ugly gangbangers or nice girls "catch money and deceive customers"?

I met a group of US men in a strip club in Kiev, one of them said to me "you don't need to pay, you have the power! I think that's the same for most men!

[Biagio]

Also watch out for some members / posts, which read like they've been in Kiev and gave advice on how to.

Then, their following posts read like they've never been in Kiev before and started asking stupid question and making inquiries that only a newbie would.

[Samcik]

I've been spending several days in Kiev mainly focused on apartment girls, now I want to try something different. In terms of quality of girls, would gia or rio be a better choice?

Cheers.

NEITHER! Use mamba to find girls or go to Chi and pick girls there.

[Misterxxx]

Bad news for all users who found girls on VKontakte. By decree of president Poroshenko VKontakte (Odnoklassniki, Yandex) can be blocked on the territory of the Ukraine. Nothing about Mamba. But I guess it can be blocked, too:

http://www.president.gov.ua/documents/1332017-21850

https://www.rt.com/business/388502-u...ans-vk-yandex/

[Misterxxx]

So my point is, if Romanians and Bulgarians were able to work illegally at FKKs in 2013, which was only 3. 5 years ago, then Ukrainians may be able to work illegally there as well today

Unless the law suddenly was tightened within the last 3. 5 years, like alcohol.

No. It was always legal after Romania and Bulagaria joined the EU. Reason: A gap in the law. A fatal mistake. The EU didn't allow those people to work for the company of other people. It was impossible for them to sign a normal employment contract to work for Mercedes or McDonalds. But it was always allowed to work self-employed as a freelancer. Thousands and thousands of people used that gap in every kind of business. Prostitutes can only be self-employed. And this is the reason why so many girls came to Germany.

There is no "gap" for people (or prostitutes) from the Ukraine. They are not allowed to work in the EU. Not for somebody else and not self-employed as the girls from Romania or Bulgaria did. And this is the reason why they can't flood the fkk's. The fine is very high. Up to 500,000 euro for the fkk. Up to 5,000 euro for the girls.

[AColonizer]

I often read "lower prices" or "good prices". I often read about Ukraine and Germany.

First of all, the best way to get a Slavic woman was taught by masters a lot of years ago.

Instead now, there are a lot of advertisers about fake "good prices" and fake "good girls".

I say, the silly sentence "money is not a problem" caused very fierce women and very bad services: Western world should teach!

Moreover, the male mindset is dying out: I am sure just 1% men in world population knows what is sex, the sexual act technique, the free sex culture and the open-relationship respect.

Somebody talks about lower prices but with whom: old, fat and ugly gangbangers or nice girls "catch money and deceive customers"?

I met a group of US men in a strip club in Kiev, one of them said to me "you don't need to pay, you have the power! I think that's the same for most men!

Romanians and Bulgarians can work in Germany because Romania and Bulgaria is a part of the European Union. Even if they work als prostitutes. It's legal. Ukraine is no part of the European Union. That means: Ukrainians can't work legal. No "boss" of a big FKK will risk to employ a girl from the Ukraine. The rules are very strict and the penalties are high.

We do not live in the 1990s. Where all women from Eastern Europe came to Germany. For illegal work. The conditions have now become tougher. And the prices lower.

[Sorbonne]

Romanians and Bulgarians can work in Germany because Romania and Bulgaria is a part of the European Union. Even if they work als prostitutes. It's legal. Ukraine is no part of the European Union. That means: Ukrainians can't work legal. No "boss" of a big FKK will risk to employ a girl from the Ukraine. The rules are very strict and the penalties are high.

We do not live in the 1990s. Where all women from Eastern Europe came to Germany. For illegal work. The conditions have now become tougher. And the prices lower.

So my point is, if Romanians and Bulgarians were able to work illegally at FKKs in 2013, which was only 3. 5 years ago, then Ukrainians may be able to work illegally there as well today

Unless the law suddenly was tightened within the last 3. 5 years, like alcohol.

[Sorbonne]

Romanians and Bulgarians can work in Germany because Romania and Bulgaria is a part of the European Union. Even if they work als prostitutes. It's legal. Ukraine is no part of the European Union. That means: Ukrainians can't work legal. No "boss" of a big FKK will risk to employ a girl from the Ukraine. The rules are very strict and the penalties are high.

We do not live in the 1990s. Where all women from Eastern Europe came to Germany. For illegal work. The conditions have now become tougher. And the prices lower.

Reminds you that in 2013 Romanians and Bulgarians were working freely at FKKs despite the fact that it was still illegal for them.

When Romania and Bulgaria joined EU in 2007, there was a condition that they were not allowed to work in other EU countries. The condition was not lifted until 2014, as I understand.

[Misterxxx]

Do they not sell bottles of beer in those little market huts on the sidewalks anymore? Jeez. I have hit by 20-25 of those things in a 6 square block area and none of them had beer. 6 years ago every one of them had it. I am south of arena now near the Olimpiska metro and can't find anything. I haven't seen a liquor store or anything. I would like to chill on my balcony and have some beers and not pay 75 uah and sit in a bar when I want a beer. Am I missing something?. I saw a small grocery store / pharmacy, but I haven't gone in yet. Do they sell beer?

It's against the law. A few years ago people didn't care about the law and the police didn't care about it. Just have a look at all the small shops in the metro stations. Most of them (about 500+) were demolished in 2016/2017 after many, many years. All of them were illegal. And it's also illegal to sell alcohol without a license. Even the supermarkets don't sell alcohol in the night anymore. Because the government has prohibited it. You can find this penomenon in Kiev, Lviv, Dnipro and and and.