Kyiv

[TheKnight]

Don't forget all sex work is illegal in Ukraine supposedly. Including cam girls in theory.

So apartments (and phone numbers) change quite frequently. Salons less often. Some massage parlours / salons allow extras including full sex, all say they don't at all, but the girl sI've had has once or twice allowed me to fuck her quietly, or given a blow job! Other girls in parlours may give you their number if they like you. It's against the rules, but can happen. Not often, but a nice bonus when you get a result.

One technique if you're staying a week or longer can be to order hooker from an agency, but make it clear you won't accept bait and switch, or stipulate you only want a slim, blonde girl under 23 (or whatever your requirements are). Often agencies won't have someone speaking ENglish, and likely they will just hang up sometimes. But stick with it. Keep calling agencies until one speaks English. Tell them you will send the girl back if not as ordered / promised. And when the taxi arrives they likely will send 2 or 3 girls.

But even if they send 3 and you don't like any, or definitely if they send one and she is not good, send them back! Then call the agency again and say you're a serious player, here for a month, don't do that again. And YMMV, but it's worked for a few guys I've recommended to. Most of us think with our cocks and we are so horny that when anything with a pussy arrives we can't be bothered to send it away. I tell my clients and friends to plan to get a takeout from Harem, or Rio, but order escort early in the evening, and then reject and go to one of the strip / take out clubs.

The next time you call the agency they will remember you (they LOG ALL numbers), and you should get a better selection.

[TheKnight]

I'm registering tonight I'll hit up Yummy via PM.

I'm wondering if not being fluent will seriously limit opportunities in your opinions both from a dating and hobby perspective.

Also Kyiv is going into Orange Quarantine on the 12th so I wonder how this will effect things.

Obviously so many factors are involved including how the girls rate you if you're trying to find a freebie / date.

But if you speak no Russian / Ukrainian it will cut a lot of the field off from you. Most can speak some English, but won't want to put the work in.

So you're largely left with more expensive hookers or semi-hookers or gold diggers.

Regular clubs are probably best for younger guys with no Russian.

Yeah, the second worst level of quarantine will be a big blow. They've just announced they want all universities to stop face to face teaching, so students will likely go home, and orange level means no late night bars, clubs, restaurants at all I believe.

[Riina]

Is there something like an online directory / messaging boards / websites that list these apartments? First time I am hearing this and I have already been to Kiev once albeit back then it was more of a short city trip and not for mongering purposes.

But I always found the hobby to be way too underground and inconvenient to pursue in Kiev. There is the obvious language barrier, strip club girls are (understandably) very expensive and pretty meh looking for the price. There are no brothels, no dedicated addresses where you can just go and fuck 1-2 girls without having to jump through a billion hoops. And so on.

Relaxkiev is the only website that has *somewhat* reliable callgirl listings with reasonable prices but they only have like 10 verified profiles ... so also very sketchy. Mamba used to be a thing but since they changed the interface and the tag system I can't seem to be able to find a decent selection of non fake profiles.

Am I missing anything or have things changed in the past 3 years? Would like to hear more about these "apartments".

Spot on. Certain members believe we are in 2010. As if the girls that escort will just plug themselves into a circuit in Kiev. Sorry, but networks have been built in the West and privacy prioritized.

[Riina]

What's the quarantine rule Mike? You take a covid test at Kyiv's airport and results come back within hours making you a free man. And no quarantine rule going back to USA either.

Likely to change soon. Some disturbing numbers.

[Argo1990]

DramaFree looks like you injected this paragraph into the copy of my post making it look as if I had written this:

"A little clarification. There are many girls from $80-150, just takes a little work. Once you get above $150 then you can have some real knock down beautiful girls. They are all over the place. Another plus there is just not that many scams or sex tourist in Russia nothing like what you guys deal with in Kiev. ".

Thanks much for that info. Sounds good to me. I'll keep Moscow on my agenda for a post covid visit.

Yeah I've been reading your posts on Monterrey Mexico and SA forums. Sounds like a good destination using SA. For Kyiv visitors again I strongly discourage trying to use SA to meet girls. It's a waste of time and a $90 monthly membership unless you get lucky. I've met one of two scheduled SA girls so far and she's not as hot as other girls I've fucked in apartments. And I paid considerably more to enjoy her company. Going out to dinner together was great fun though and that's something the apartment girls will not do. But usually the apartment girls can't speak English anyhow. Today I fucked a 19 year old skinny blond with a beautiful ass for 1200 hyrvnia in the city center. Not a word of english even her no for pictures was "nyet". Apparently an apartment for local guys.

Regarding Medellin yes the ladies think big asses are a good look and get silicone work done for that. I typically see the chicas 18 to 21 or maybe 22 usually before they mess up their beautiful natual tits and asses. They tell me silicone work "es mi sueno" (it's my dream). I let them know I will not see them again after it happens and I don't. But still they do if for themselves as looking hot is so competitive amongst the ladies in Medellin.

Is there something like an online directory / messaging boards / websites that list these apartments? First time I am hearing this and I have already been to Kiev once albeit back then it was more of a short city trip and not for mongering purposes.

But I always found the hobby to be way too underground and inconvenient to pursue in Kiev. There is the obvious language barrier, strip club girls are (understandably) very expensive and pretty meh looking for the price. There are no brothels, no dedicated addresses where you can just go and fuck 1-2 girls without having to jump through a billion hoops. And so on.

Relaxkiev is the only website that has *somewhat* reliable callgirl listings with reasonable prices but they only have like 10 verified profiles ... so also very sketchy. Mamba used to be a thing but since they changed the interface and the tag system I can't seem to be able to find a decent selection of non fake profiles.

Am I missing anything or have things changed in the past 3 years? Would like to hear more about these "apartments".

[IdiotSavant]

Agree with Yummy here. The ones returning that I've seen are the cream of 18-25 yo girls who are extremely good looking with great bodies, who were so successful abroad they didn't need to return. Obviously also a few older women will have come home too. But in my experience there are a lot of opportunities and if you know a little of the lingo (RU or UKR) you should find it easy. Also don't forget the new students in Kyiv this time of year, and fewer jobs around, and they need to pay for that sky high rent somehow.

I'm registering tonight I'll hit up Yummy via PM.

I'm wondering if not being fluent will seriously limit opportunities in your opinions both from a dating and hobby perspective.

Also Kyiv is going into Orange Quarantine on the 12th so I wonder how this will effect things.

[Lucky Nuts]

Anyway. COVID has messed up the hobby a bit. Especially with the quarantine rule.

What's the quarantine rule Mike? You take a covid test at Kyiv's airport and results come back within hours making you a free man. And no quarantine rule going back to USA either.

So obvious, yet they want you to believe otherwise.

Some guys provide information on here and other guys only provide commentary LOL.

[TheKnight]

Agree with Yummy here. The ones returning that I've seen are the cream of 18-25 yo girls who are extremely good looking with great bodies, who were so successful abroad they didn't need to return. Obviously also a few older women will have come home too. But in my experience there are a lot of opportunities and if you know a little of the lingo (RU or UKR) you should find it easy. Also don't forget the new students in Kyiv this time of year, and fewer jobs around, and they need to pay for that sky high rent somehow.

I have had sex with: 1 x 18 yo, 1 x 19 yo, 1 x 21 yo, 4 x 22 yo, 1 x 23 yo, 2 x 24 yo, 2 x 27 yo, 1 x 28 yo. All attractive. In the past 7 weeks. Riina has not been in Kiev in a long time. He has no idea. You don't need to listen to him.

[Riina]

Anyway. COVID has messed up the hobby a bit.

So obvious, yet they want you to believe otherwise.

[Mike963]

For me time was a constraint as well, as I was there only for 15 days, spend 5 days each in Bogota, Medellin and Cartagena.

Hence, I couldn't wait to get the connection, in really I too like the connection factor, as it helps. To see only few girls.

It has lots of benefits including health!

Anyway. COVID has messed up the hobby a bit. Especially with the quarantine rule.

Absolutely correct Mike. I know several guys that make no attempt to learn any Spanish and still spend all their spare time in Medellin making deals with the chicas using Google translate. I probably should have PM'd that message to Yummy. He's looking for more of a connection with the girls than most of us spending several hours with them each session. For the rest of guys who just want to pound some pussy not being able to converse is no problem.

[Stevie69]

I didn't know prostitutes in Kiev are open to meeting for a snack so you can examine them. Thanks for sharing.

Not the real pros, of course. However, the semi-pros might be a little more selective and agree to a prior meeting, particularly if they are already nearby.

[Lucky Nuts]

DramaFree looks like you injected this paragraph into the copy of my post making it look as if I had written this:

"A little clarification. There are many girls from $80-150, just takes a little work. Once you get above $150 then you can have some real knock down beautiful girls. They are all over the place. Another plus there is just not that many scams or sex tourist in Russia nothing like what you guys deal with in Kiev. ".

Thanks much for that info. Sounds good to me. I'll keep Moscow on my agenda for a post covid visit.

Yeah I've been reading your posts on Monterrey Mexico and SA forums. Sounds like a good destination using SA. For Kyiv visitors again I strongly discourage trying to use SA to meet girls. It's a waste of time and a $90 monthly membership unless you get lucky. I've met one of two scheduled SA girls so far and she's not as hot as other girls I've fucked in apartments. And I paid considerably more to enjoy her company. Going out to dinner together was great fun though and that's something the apartment girls will not do. But usually the apartment girls can't speak English anyhow. Today I fucked a 19 year old skinny blond with a beautiful ass for 1200 hyrvnia in the city center. Not a word of english even her no for pictures was "nyet". Apparently an apartment for local guys.

Regarding Medellin yes the ladies think big asses are a good look and get silicone work done for that. I typically see the chicas 18 to 21 or maybe 22 usually before they mess up their beautiful natual tits and asses. They tell me silicone work "es mi sueno" (it's my dream). I let them know I will not see them again after it happens and I don't. But still they do if for themselves as looking hot is so competitive amongst the ladies in Medellin.

[Ringudor]

I went past Rio Club tonight and they are open if that's one of the clubs you are interested. I've never gone inside though.

Yes, Rio club is one of most famous, the best looking girl I touched in my life was there inside, for sure some forum members have some experience picking up girls from, there.

[Lucky Nuts]

I'm wondering a visit to Kiev, but I don't know if its worthy, in current situation, anybody knows if streapclubs are open?

I went past Rio Club tonight and they are open if that's one of the clubs you are interested. I've never gone inside though.

[DramaFree11]

To realy enjoy the girls in Medellin you would need to learn some Spanish. I started learning after my first trip in 2015. Very few of the girls know any English unlike Kyiv. So I don't think you would like it nearly as well as here.

I'm surprised to hear about getting freebies in Moscow. The Russian guys can't satify them LOL? We'll have to get together again and you can share your secrets. I'd also be fine with paying a super hot all natural and youthful professional between $150 to $200 ($150 for a nine and $200 for an almost 10) for an hour of pounding. Is this doable in Moscow?

A little clarification. There are many girls from $80-150, just takes a little work. Once you get above $150 then you can have some real knock down beautiful girls. They are all over the place. Another plus there is just not that many scams or sex tourist in Russia nothing like what you guys deal with in Kiev.

You my friend are reaping the rewards of many long hours of mining Seeking Arrangement. And I mean crazy long hours and no doubt hundreds of messages. I wouldn't recommend SA to guys like me that come for a couple weeks. But it's perfect for you because you are living here. After talking with all the SA girls I have dates set up with only two of them and they are not cheap dates. I hope they turn out to be worth the extra money.

SA is great, I am also having great luck with it in Mexico. It works much better in in other countries then in the states.

As far a MDE, I would say there are much better destinations including Kiev. Way overreacted, if you are into big asses you might like it. I am not sure about Bogota and Cart.