Kyiv

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...The thought of a cutie sharing her pussy with an old tourist that doesn't want share back his support is probably one of the most disgusting notions a girl can imagine.

And that is precisely why during my next visit I do not want to see one of those girls, a very particular one.

She was exceptional for a long long time, yet during last coitus we had, she wasn't as skilful in pretending she loves me wholeheartedly for all the cash and support. No hard feelings, I am realistic. And there's sufficient substrate for me to strive for excellence and satisfaction.

Riina, I totally agree with your point. Allow me to retort some more please.

Perhaps for different visitors, there is a different perception of goodness. In the past some were happy with the very same GIA girl that others kicked out upon her arrival.

IMHO there is a gradient scale of what monger provides and how much he gets in return. I am not talking about a thousand bucks per night rip-offs.

On one end there are some of the good quality Rio girls, those that make an impact difficult to forget. On the other there are GFs, supposedly staying with us for fun, but there's certainly cost of food and drinks, room and entertainment, most importantly the price of our freedom to choose many other beauties instead of committing to a single one.

I never count time spent away from the job, because I am not paid by the hour, but unlike Kozerog I am not retired yet. So, by trial and error I figured out what keeps me happy, and built a deep enough base of phone numbers I can call.

Back to what Riina explained: two years ago I had a rather candid discussion with one of the GIA girls. 20 years old student, gorgeous, DFK, never ever objected to shagging at any time of the day or night. Wake her up, she smiles and goes as long as I have my erection. Anyway, many mentioned here as an explanation for their misfortunes, that Ukrainian girls prefer younger boys. That GIA lady that I fancied at the time, frowned at the mere mentioning of her peers, and did it in the most sincere manner. She definitely prefers older gentlemen. For many reasons. Money, personal comfort, safety, and generally speaking a better life style.

Younger girls stay with us older guys as long as we provide, and as Riina explained in not so many words girls have certain expectations at this commercial market. No freebies. They are great actresses. We are not Romeos for them. We are milked with different degree of intensity. Don't let them squeeze you dry.

[Riina]

Before you fly into Kiev planning to wet your forty something dick for free, maybe you should think it through logically and with some facts. All women want compensation for companionship. I was in my twenties the last time I found a girl that just wanted a good fuck. Ukrainians perceive all Westerners as rich and generally feel it's perfectly acceptable to extract what they can from foreigners with so much more then themselves. The thought of a cutie sharing her pussy with an old tourist that doesn't want share back his support is probably one of the most disgusting notions a girl can imagine.

[Michi T]

Quite possible if you are under 30, especially nowadays with Tinder. In your thirties, maybe with some luck. 40's, probably not.

I kindly disagree

[NorskKing]

I am thoroughly confused. He provided his opinion and advice (mamba and strip clubs) and even stated that it's each person's choice to believe it or not.

You want him to share his insight and let readers decide. So what are you disputing?

I, and it is within my right to have an opinion, happen to agree with him.

I am thoroughly confused. He provided his opinion and advice (mamba and strip clubs) and even stated that it's each person's choice to believe it or not.

You want him to share his insight and let readers decide. So what are you disputing?

I, and it is within my right to have an opinion, happen to agree with him.

With the strong right to have my own opinion, I do think that Ukraine is far better than western Europe and US. One thing I would say is that, there might be many who came to Kiev with a lot of hope but got burnt with prices and bad experiences. Well (in my opinion), these bad experiences are just because of your mistakes. If you behave as desperate sex tourists showing off money and status, then there are much more smarter (yet poorer) people who will take advantage of you. This is not only in Kiev but anywhere in the world. Just go there will reasonable expectation, and knowing that Kiev is "Comparably" better than the country you live in. No girl is going to fall into your lap asking for having sex with you in exchange of small money.

1) Know the place / clubs / coffee spots you are going to. Do your homework. If not, get burnt, Kiev is not going to make it super easy for anyone.

2) Be patient, you might not succeed in the first attempt, but don't behave desperate, be cool and behave as if you are not talking to the girl to get her to bed. Talk to her as if you genuinely are interested in something else other than the girl you are talking to. Most likely, she will sense that you are harmless and will put her guards down.

3) Kiev is really cheap (I feel this since I live in Norway), enjoy this purchase power on something else apart from sex, while looking for sex.

The point is, don't be desperate and don't behave desperate. If you are, then go to expensive take out options, where the girls are waiting for you to come and pick her. After 2 decades of mongers flooding Ukraine, you think that girls do not know about why a tourist is trying to talk to a strange girl? They know, you have to make the conversation past that. I totally understand that not everyone is extrovert enough to do this. But then, guys who are introverts will have about 30% (yes, pulling the number from my hat) more chance than you country. Its not like you go to a girl, talk and she will fall into your lap (never going to happen, unless you make her think past the sex tourist question in her head).

My final request, stop all the negativity about this place, reader will get a negative vibe about Kiev and might backoff. This place is really nice, in all aspects. Purchase power / girls / clubs / food / energy. Just go there and sample them all.

[Alekezam]

Rather then posting a comment on a comment. Why not share your insights to the scene and let readers decide for themselves what thought to follow.

I am thoroughly confused. He provided his opinion and advice (mamba and strip clubs) and even stated that it's each person's choice to believe it or not.

You want him to share his insight and let readers decide. So what are you disputing?

I, and it is within my right to have an opinion, happen to agree with him.

[PhotoSlider]

I'm done with this, you both act like you know everything which is obviously wrong...

There are multiple schools of thought on the current state of affairs in Kiev.

I prefer to wear pink glasses and enjoy encounters with opposite gender. Others are less optimistic. Some are happy with drive through take out at Rio and Scarlette. Others are successful with random hunting in the street and mamba.

Civilized discussion and opinions exchange doesn't mean we shall all agree on using the same approach with assured guaranteed delivery. Far from that. But demise of Kiev has been greatly exaggerated. I am yet to have a bad visit to this Center of The Universe.

To be continued.

[Riina]

I'm done with this, you both act like you know everything which is obviously wrong because there are plenty of women in the 8-10 range and quite a few strippers are at least 8's. It is more or less a brothel in clubs like Rio, Millennium and etc because all you have to do is simply chose who you want.

Keep your negativity and pessimism to yourself. I guess you just like talking to yourself and trying to scare guys away from Kiev.

Bottom line: strip clubs are easy, Mamba still works and like I said doormen know a lot. Believe it or not. I don't care.

Just keep your head in the sand and stay unhappy. You seem to like it.

I don't bury my head in the sand. As a matter of fact, I've been posting the last few years on this forums sister sight. I've helped countless guys find Ukrainian and Polish prostitutes at affordable prices. Some agencies and girls would have quit without my attention. My "thank you buddy" pm's are well into the hundreds.

Rather then posting a comment on a comment. Why not share your insights to the scene and let readers decide for themselves what thought to follow.

[DramaFree11]

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[Alekezam]

I'm done with this, you both act like you know everything which is obviously wrong because there are plenty of women in the 8-10 range and quite a few strippers are at least 8's. It is more or less a brothel in clubs like Rio, Millennium and etc because all you have to do is simply chose who you want.

Keep your negativity and pessimism to yourself. I guess you just like talking to yourself and trying to scare guys away from Kiev.

Bottom line: strip clubs are easy, Mamba still works and like I said doormen know a lot. Believe it or not. I don't care.

Just keep your head in the sand and stay unhappy. You seem to like it.

I'm with you, I gave my opinion and experience of Ukraine some time ago but for some reason there is more negativity towards the country than positive from a mongering standpoint.

So rather than debate I just sit back and enjoy the commentary.

If their objective is to prevent people from mongering there then they are succeeding cause more people believe them than the few of us who think otherwise.

I found it to be easy to meet girls both civilian and pro. Out of the visits I made I stayed no longer than a week. Additionally, I can't speak a lick of Ukrainian nor Russian.

When you compare Ukraine to the US or Western Europe, no matter what anyone says, hands down, it's far better in the Ukraine.

So ultimately, it's up to each individaul to decide what they want to believe because in the end they'll only have themselves (and all the naysayers) to blame for not experiencing it for themselves.

And if you haven't already noticed it's the same people that constantly chastise others for not RTFF yet they repeat the same negativity over and over and over again. Why? People can just RTFF.

New and subjective experiences and opinions, which, you so graciously divulged are what these forums are about.

[Horny American]

I'm done with this, you both act like you know everything which is obviously wrong because there are plenty of women in the 8-10 range and quite a few strippers are at least 8's. It is more or less a brothel in clubs like Rio, Millennium and etc because all you have to do is simply chose who you want.

Keep your negativity and pessimism to yourself. I guess you just like talking to yourself and trying to scare guys away from Kiev.

Bottom line: strip clubs are easy, Mamba still works and like I said doormen know a lot. Believe it or not. I don't care.

Just keep your head in the sand and stay unhappy. You seem to like it.

Prostitution is illegal in Ukraine. Any attempt by an agency to build a reputation quickly exposes them to extortion or a shutdown. It's difficult for most tourists to find 8-10 range prostitutes on their own in Kiev without pimps. I know take out strip clubs exist, but quality girls will not work in these places.

Let me clarify. Foreign Guys, short term visit, meeting on the streets, cafe, or night clubs, chance are probably better winning the lottery, then meeting a hot girl in Kiev. Lived there done it. If you live in Kiev, work, and speak the language even then highly unlikely. You guys can use all the statistic you want just not true.

Now if you want to deal with fake Profiles, Mamba, Dating Sties, all illusion in Kiev, yes there are 8-10's. Keep living in a dream world

[Misc123]

Hi Dramafree. Can you please check your PM?

Spasibo.

Misc.

Let me clarify. Foreign Guys, short term visit, meeting on the streets, cafe, or night clubs, chance are probably better winning the lottery, then meeting a hot girl in Kiev. Lived there done it. If you live in Kiev, work, and speak the language even then highly unlikely. You guys can use all the statistic you want just not true.

Now if you want to deal with fake Profiles, Mamba, Dating Sties, all illusion in Kiev, yes there are 8-10's. Keep living in a fantasy world.

Perfect example. Claims no women in the 8-10 range in a city of 3 million people that's 53% female? Statistically impossible BTW.

There are many women in the 8-10 range but again most of the guys here just can't be satisfied. They just want to complain 24/7.

BTW, Kiev has a smoking hot model that's a former porn star and you can contact her thru Instagram for dates but most of you pessimists couldn't handle her anyways.

[Riina]

Perfect example. Claims no women in the 8-10 range in a city of 3 million people that's 53% female? Statistically impossible BTW.

There are many women in the 8-10 range but again most of the guys here just can't be satisfied. They just want to complain 24/7.

Prostitution is illegal in Ukraine. Any attempt by an agency to build a reputation quickly exposes them to extortion or a shutdown. It's difficult for most tourists to find 8-10 range prostitutes on their own in Kiev without pimps. I know take out strip clubs exist, but quality girls will not work in these places.

[MGLbadboi]

Like I said earlier its all in the mind. Having a clear state of mind will benefit tremendously not only in one's sexual adventures but in all aspects of life basically. I came to the realization that great sex can occur under two conditions. When you get extremely nervous and excited by the girl which normally happens when you're 18 or if the girl is a 10 rated platinum blonde with blue eyes tall and slim, in which case I won't mind paying for such a girl or if the service is mechanical. Sex is also great when both of you are sexually attracted to each other, so that it will get intimate and GFE.

I am done paying for regular working girls to have terrible sex with me simply because I was horny and not thinking clearly. I now find it as stupid as sponsoring a girl with daddy issues who withholds sex from you and isn't equally as attracted to you. You can buy iPhones and handbags for a girl only to realize that her sole purpose is for Instagram attention and goes to nightclub and decides to have passionate sex for free with a guy who invests in a pair of shoes, dress shirts for himself, and works on his charm and game. There is a fundamental different there which many guys are unaware of.

Moscow was nice, amazing strip clubs with on-site services, there was also an incredible massage parlor but I did not do any club hunting while in Moscow somehow I was worried about safety. I feel like Kiev is a much safer place, and perhaps less racist.

So anyway, so far I've got Skybar, Avalon, Buddah bar, Caribbean Club, and Rio GIA as backup plan. Any other recommendations? I am staying at Aloft BTW.

[DramaFree11]

Quite possible if you are under 30, especially nowadays with Tinder. In your thirties, maybe with some luck. 40's, probably not.

Very true, but you pay for sex one way or another travel expenses, time, not working, but that is what we live for.

[DramaFree11]

Let me clarify. Foreign Guys, short term visit, meeting on the streets, cafe, or night clubs, chance are probably better winning the lottery, then meeting a hot girl in Kiev. Lived there done it. If you live in Kiev, work, and speak the language even then highly unlikely. You guys can use all the statistic you want just not true.

Now if you want to deal with fake Profiles, Mamba, Dating Sties, all illusion in Kiev, yes there are 8-10's. Keep living in a fantasy world.

Perfect example. Claims no women in the 8-10 range in a city of 3 million people that's 53% female? Statistically impossible BTW.

There are many women in the 8-10 range but again most of the guys here just can't be satisfied. They just want to complain 24/7.

BTW, Kiev has a smoking hot model that's a former porn star and you can contact her thru Instagram for dates but most of you pessimists couldn't handle her anyways.