Kyiv

[Gentleman Travel]

I've talked with her online before. Can't remember if we ever met or not.

Translator dates are usually (90%) a waste of time.

No translator involved, her English is quite good.
We had a charming, flirty, couple of hours together.
Worth the price of dinner in itself.
But not worth buying boots for, or other such excesses!

[Cruiser D]

Now that is a man with a plan. I always said the key to sucess (in Ukraine) is knowing what you are going for and stick to it.

Why spend $50-$90 on a date when you can get a B level girl for $50 on flirt/mamba/singles.

Due to the crisis there are quite a bit of semi pro girls at all the clubs in Kyiv. With the exception of Shooter's and the Beer Pub in Arena they are actively (I've seen it happen in person) keeping the pro's and semi pro's out and telling them to leave if they are spotted.

I've RTFF.

Here's my basic question. A buddy of mine and myself are thinking of going to Kiev for the cheap beer and to get laid. Not necessarily in that order.

We're not interested in freebies. I should say, we're not interested in spending the time trying to stroke our ego to get a freebie. No offense to anyone here, of course. We are just two guys on a mission.

So, we want something guaranteed and not too skanky. What's our best bet and what's the ballpark price range?

We've spent some time in Dubai and wow, Dubai is a buffet. You walk in, select what you want and leave. Easy as pie!

So, what's the deal with Kiev? Are we better off going there or Prague for some relatively cheap mongering?

[Cruiser D]

I'm curious Bez, does that include me too?

I speak about 15 words of Russian, has it affected my chances with some of the girls, I would tend to think so. But I am always overbooked as it is.

It's all about the game.

Don't hate the playa Bez, hate the game.

Snap.

Here's what the BS posters will say. "Oh, you didn't spend enough time there" Or, "your game's not good enough that you didn't try approaching enough hot girls in cafe's, or your medium level russian isn't enough."

But, you'll quickly notice that the BS posters are also the ones that don't ever post any fotos of all the successes they brag about, because they simply don't believe in that sort of nasty bad behavior. Yeah, right.

[Cruiser D]

I've talked with her online before. Can't remember if we ever met or not.

Translator dates are usually (90%) a waste of time.

Check out her (Radmila = Mila #2) photo below...

[Gentleman Travel]

let them SEE what life they can enjoy with you (your money), but ONLY after they are thoroughly F'ing your brains out and never saying "no"...

i had a car, i even shipped my BMW motorcycle over there....

can't wait to finish my business here (in the usa) and move to ukraine permanently

Robert, I'd like to PM you.
You show as a Senior Member, but no Private Messages option.
How can I do this?

[Explorer69]

That is possible. The description matches.

I got her off Lucky Lovers, don't know if you can access her profile.

www.Luckylovers.net/f/all_pics.php? Idp=530116

Check out her (Radmila = Mila #2) photo below.

Let me know if it is the same one! Thanks for the warning.

I did not notice her boots, her boobs commanded my attention, so I don't know if she is still getting mileage out of you!

Even if it is the same girl, she is no longer the mid-twenties hottie you knew, but now 30-something, and while the the rack is still impressive, her market will have narrowed somewhat.

It is possible that she knows she has to work for her rewards. So I would be prepared to try another date with her, but benefitting from your caution about not spending freely upfront.

But then Mila #3 gave me a free sample of her charms, and her rack is only slightly less impressive, so she is #1 on my list anyway.

I have also met this girl. The rack is impressive, yes! But she wants shopping, shopping, shopping. And telling me that she needed to know me for a longer time before sex, I ran away!

[Robert1110]

Ha! Ok, forewarned is forearmed.

I guess I was lucky getting off with just buying her dinner, which was a very pleasant experience!

Flirting and admiring her rack and thinking of what might B.

She did not even have any wine, so it was pretty reasonable.

If I do meet her again I will be sure to play hardball.

Modest dinner and no taxi fare unless she has stayed the night.

Thanks for the tip!

Yes! I wish more men had the balls to do this. When it becomes obvious that a woman is with me just to see what she can get out of me (a scammer) you have EVERY RIGHT to be (semi) rude (always act with some class) BUT, you can smile and say "no taxi for you" as you walk away. She can take the metro or call one of the many wannabe ukrainian guys she is blowing to come and pick her up.

You should not spend another dime on radmila. Other than maybe juice and a dessert. They will come to meet you just knowing they are getting a nice meal out of you. Beats making borscht at home. I would be nice yet serious with her. I would let her know in no uncertain terms that if she desires anything more with you, she has to be uncovering that rack and the rest of her body. If she acts confused or pretends to "not be one of that kind of woman", pick up the tab (for only juice and dessert) and let her find her own way home. She'll make it.

If she has any real interest in you, she will smile and let you know it's time to take her to your flat. But I doubt that's going to happen. Nothing personal, because I bet she has not put out for anyone. Like I said, some of these women do this for a living. They are professional daters.

I assume you have a 'terp with you but either way, I tell them I have lived in ukraine and have met many women and dated some of them. I tell them, briefly, about some of the things I see with the women and especially american men.

And I tell them it seems women want money and men want sex. The women I date are not going to see the money until I am getting the sex.

Of course, as DS or someone else pointed out before, the 9's and 10's are going to take more time, along with more cash and everything else it takes. BUT, you should still set limits and not be generous. Until after you are getting what you want.

Just like Radmila uses her rack as the bait and never puts out. We can do the same with our money.

Let them see what life they can enjoy with you (your money), but only after they are thoroughly fucking your brains out and never saying "no".

I had a car, I even shipped my BMW motorcycle over there.

Can't wait to finish my business here (in the USA) and move to Ukraine permanently.

[Robert1110]

Regarding some of the posts about Kiev and ukraine in general.

Yes, it's addictive. In Kiev, more girls are spoiled. I am friends with a young and handsome ukrainian guy who speaks perfect english w/o an accent, same with german. He is fit and knows the game. Even he complains about the women in Kiev

That's why I live (when I am in ukraine) in Kharkov.

The night life is NOT the same, there is not a kreshatic to walk any time of the day or evening.

But there are like four university's there.

And everything is half the cost

You can meet women on the various mamba/flirt sites that used to be a sorta well kept secret. I've been meeting women off flirt for years.

You should not have to ever pay more than $100 for sex. More like $40-50 and that's only if you have no time and want the convenience. Most women just want a taxi and sometimes whatever you can help them out with. Some of the women I saw on a regular basis (for sex), I would always take care of transportation cost and if I was flush with cash, I might give them 100-200 grivna. ($20-40) or nothing but the taxi if I was cash poor. They understand.

Living there, it can be feast or famine. All of a sudden you're dating 3-4 women 1/2 your age or more.

I go to the clubs with my Ukrainian wife. Who also likes girls.

My only wish in life is that I had the funds and the knowledge to have done this (leave the sex prison and go to ukraine) when I was 30.

But it's never too late.

[Robert1110]

Ha! Ok, forewarned is forearmed.
I guess I was lucky getting off with just buying her dinner, which was a very pleasant experience!
Flirting and admiring her rack and thinking of what might be....
She did not even have any wine, so it was pretty reasonable.

If I do meet her again I will be sure to play hardball.
Modest dinner and no taxi fare unless she has stayed the night...

Thanks for the tip!

Yeah, don't take her to Fellini's.

[Gentleman Travel]

I spent 1 week in Kiev. I was very disappointed...
Anyway, haven given up on freebies, I head to River Palace for 3 nights in a row. What a surprise to these those horrors ask for $300 and $400. Some of the girls look hot in the dark, but when you see under spot lights, you see tons of make-up on their faces and they do not look nice. It seems to me that the gorgeous girl have no problem finding rich local boy friends and "sponsors."

I think some of these posts on the forum as just BS. Kiev and I think Ukraine in general has become a complete waste of time and money.

You cannot believe every single thing you read here, but basically I think the prominent posters are pretty truthful. I have met some of them and met some of the same women, so there is not a lot of room for BS.

While their reported exploits are 10X greater than my modest forays, I don't attribute that to BS or exaggeration on their part, simply opportunties for growth on my part! I have seen enough to believe that these things are possible.

Bez not all of can or want to take photos to document our exploits.
But you can usually tell if someone is BSing from the details in their reports.

As for whether Ukraine is a good place to monger, my experience in other places is limited.
Sure maybe the River Palace girls are asking $300-$400, but sometimes they will go for $150 or $200. I know, I had that experience a few weeks ago. It wasn't a great experience, but it was true.

Sure there are probably cheaper places for paid sex, and maybe even better sex, but not all of us get to choose our destinations, so we need to know how to best work the territory in which we do travel. And then many are also not just looking for cheap sex (which for Americans is probably best available in TJ) but for a fun hunting and sexual experience. Personally I love Eastern European girls and have the opportunity to travel there. So whether Asia is "better" or cheaper or you can bag freebies easily in Haiti is not very relevant to me. The real life experiences of guys hunting in Kiev are relevant to me and I find them credible and useful.

I have read your back posts and you find disappointment all around you.
Maybe you need to look in the mirror.

[Dirt Diver]

I've RTFF.

Here's my basic question. A buddy of mine and myself are thinking of going to Kiev for the cheap beer and to get laid. Not necessarily in that order.

We're not interested in freebies. I should say, we're not interested in spending the time trying to stroke our ego to get a freebie. No offense to anyone here, of course. We are just two guys on a mission.

So, we want something guaranteed and not too skanky. What's our best bet and what's the ballpark price range?

We've spent some time in Dubai and wow, Dubai is a buffet. You walk in, select what you want and leave. Easy as pie!

So, what's the deal with Kiev? Are we better off going there or Prague for some relatively cheap mongering?

Your happiness in Ukraine will depend a lot on your expectations.

Scoring the super hot girls, i.e. 8+s and 9s, is no easy task and there is no automatic formula for it. In fact, it may not even be worth your effort if that is your sole mission to visit Ukraine.

Most of the scoring being done with Ukrainian women is with girls in the 5-7 category. The more skilled players (or maybe the more lucky) will regularly score 7s and bag some 8s as well. 9s (true 9s, not the kind that metamorphises into a 9 after 7 mojitos) are still there and available, but not without the right combination of effort, luck and knowledge of Slavic dating culture. And yes, you'll spend some money on entertainment before getting into their knickers.

I feel your pain. For real.

It only takes one to get you hooked though and remarkably enough in Ukraine sometimes a 8+ or 9 will just fall into your lap, so if you are going to give up on Ukraine, do it now... once you get hooked, rehab is a b1tch.

[Doctor_Skank]

I spent 1 week in Kiev. I was very disappointed. I found the girls in cafes, pubs, discos, in the malls and on the street unapproachable. Of course I am talking about the gorgeous ones. Sure the ugly ones are very approachable like any Western European city, one needs not travel so far for crap like this. I am known to be among friends a good chatter and I know medium level Russian.

Anyway, haven given up on freebies, I head to River Palace for 3 nights in a row. What a surprise to these those horrors ask for $300 and $400. Some of the girls look hot in the dark, but when you see under spot lights, you see tons of make-up on their faces and they do not look nice. It seems to me that the gorgeous girl have no problem finding rich local boy friends and "sponsors."

I think some of these posts on the forum as just BS. Kiev and I think Ukraine in general has become a complete waste of time and money.

I also think that only some Asian countries are what is left over of the gold paradises of mongers.

Your happiness in Ukraine will depend a lot on your expectations.

Scoring the super hot girls, i.e. 8+s and 9s, is no easy task and there is no automatic formula for it. In fact, it may not even be worth your effort if that is your sole mission to visit Ukraine.

Most of the scoring being done with Ukrainian women is with girls in the 5-7 category. The more skilled players (or maybe the more lucky) will regularly score 7s and bag some 8s as well. 9s (true 9s, not the kind that metamorphises into a 9 after 7 mojitos) are still there and available, but not without the right combination of effort, luck and knowledge of Slavic dating culture. And yes, you'll spend some money on entertainment before getting into their knickers.

I feel your pain. For real.

It only takes one to get you hooked though and remarkably enough in Ukraine sometimes a 8+ or 9 will just fall into your lap, so if you are going to give up on Ukraine, do it now... once you get hooked, rehab is a b1tch.

[Gentleman Travel]

i knew it.. it's her.

yes, they stand out and are so firm (then) you could set a beer on them...for many of these women, it is how they survive. they live at home with mom OR with a guy or she could be married...you'll never end up at her flat...

Ha! Ok, forewarned is forearmed.
I guess I was lucky getting off with just buying her dinner, which was a very pleasant experience!
Flirting and admiring her rack and thinking of what might be....
She did not even have any wine, so it was pretty reasonable.

If I do meet her again I will be sure to play hardball.
Modest dinner and no taxi fare unless she has stayed the night...

Thanks for the tip!

[Bez Bezarra]

I spent 1 week in Kiev. I was very disappointed. I found the girls in cafes, pubs, discos, in the malls and on the street unapproachable. Of course I am talking about the gorgeous ones. Sure the ugly ones are very approachable, I am a good chatter and I know medium level Russian.

Anyway, haven given up on freebies, I head to River Palace for 3 nights in a row. What a surprise to these those horrors ask for $300 and $400. It seems to me that the gorgeous girl have no problem finding rich local boy friends and "sponsors."

I think some of these posts on the forum as just BS. Kiev and I think Ukraine in general has become a complete waste of time and money.

I also think that only some Asian countries are what is left over of the gold paradises of mongers.

Here's what the BS posters will say. "Oh, you didn't spend enough time there" Or, "your game's not good enough that you didn't try approaching enough hot girls in cafe's, or your medium level russian isn't enough."

But, you'll quickly notice that the BS posters are also the ones that don't ever post any fotos of all the successes they brag about, because they simply don't believe in that sort of nasty bad behavior. Yeah, right.

On the other hand, the good Doktor has just reaffirmed that mamba is most productive now to find some nice girls AND semi-pros and pros in Kiev, so you can take that to the bank.

On the other hand, maybe you just need to get out of the capital, spend 2 or 3 weeks with the 'real' people out in the provinces, but I'd recommend you wait for Spring, when the wind blows the skirts around, and the coats come off to reveal bouncing breasts. Ah, spring.......

[Bez Bezarra]

Is it better to date 18-20 girls who will give all her body to you, or girls in the 20's who are most likely to be already heart broken.

I would like to know, is it easier to lay a 18-20 innocent girl, or a 20's girl?

Because if you don't know, then what exactly have you been doing? Fucking old bags +30 yrs?

Ok, well that's cool. (echhh!)

Some will tell you its simply a matter of taste. Of course, taste can also mean the the difference between sweet and fouled, when licking the punany. And even that has as much to do with the woman's personal hygeine, than her age necessarily. And again, some mongers do prefer stretched out gray lips that hang down half way to the floor, so.....

But easier? Well, let's just say that this is no longer the 1990's, so absolutely yes, it takes some talent, luck, perseverance, class and CHARM most of all, to be consistently successful in the more challenging category. It also takes time and financial resources. Generosity doesn't hurt either.