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02-12-07 13:29 #2530
Posts: 1381Bez, you need some new connections or to move to a better area. I'm still living the life in the US.
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02-12-07 12:57 #2529
Posts: 2007Welcome to America.
Originally Posted by Doctor_Skank
And that's if you can even get to the sex, at least in my neck of the south.
I make it a point to always seek out visitors from other countries, but
sadly they almost always have american-ized so much that they aren't
any better than their US counterparts.
For example, in massage rub-n-tug places, I found a brazilian and a korean
provider. I guess I caught the brazilian at the right moment of horniness,
and got in her pants without her asking for $250 up front, so afterwards
I just handed her $50 as a tip and walked out before she could complain.
That didn't include the $65 hour fee I paid at the front desk. Of course,
in this place, they expect you to get it over with in 5 minutes, 10 max.
Also found a korean who said absolutely no intercourse allowed or she'd
be fired, and absolutely no home visits to my place allowed either. Best
I could do was some DATY, she was very sweet and its a shame that
was all as she probably would be a great fuck. But alas, nothing better available.
So there's just no satisfaction to be had at home.
There were times in the 1980's and 1990's when some nice times could be
had in the US with the right connections, but those days is long gone. Very long gone.
So what's a monger to do? Read and study ISG, and grab my passport for
another road trip to Candyland!
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02-12-07 11:08 #2528
Posts: 2626Live theater vs. Life theater
Originally Posted by Prosal
I like your analogy of prostitution being live theater. Respect. That comes pretty close to the way I deal with the individual pro. And is why I like to bring a video camera. I'll remember the term "live theater" next time I'm on the road...
But regarding the comments of my fellow mongers below, since when are we talking explicitely and exclusively about expensive hos? And since when are we wholly generalizing?
I also don't feel one damn bit sorry for those cold pros that scoff at a fair offer with the argument that "real men" can pay $500 etc or counter any small talk with "don't do this, don't do that and make up your fucking mind" all while looking at her D&G watch and texting her padrushka on a sponsered $500 phone. The vindictive mercenary-like pro doesn't enjoy my sympathies and experienced mongers avoid these girls like the plague anyway. I've seen Cruiser, 109 and a number of other experienced mongers "in action" at clubs and these girls don't stand a chance with them. I trust that most of the experienced ISG public behaves similarly.
By the same token, I believe if a girl is just trying to get ahead in life and afford some fun accessories so that she can live a glam lifestyle I am happy to support her... just as long as her price is fair and her service is good. Fair price is a relative thing and also dependent on the situation... market prices for the venue you met her in etc. etc. Just because you can bang a salon girl for $60/hour doesn't mean a RP girl has to accept the same tarif. If you want salon prices go to a salon.
Irregardless of where I picked up the pro though, I personally have very rarely been confronted by pros that complained or whined about anything. The vast majority simply did their job without complaint and most seemingly enjoyed the evening. Only after some candid conversations or some keen observation on my part was it apparent what was going on. The girls neither asked for extra money or support and certainly didn't ask for any sympathy. Hos are a tough breed. I've seen them deal with broken condoms, cold showers, utter exhaustion, theft by other mongers, fear and any number of other problems with a bravado and panache worthy of a SAS HRT.
I usually treat pros like girlfriends... as generous as I feel appropriate without overdoting and overspending. It's a system that works for me and one that gets the best response from them. As 109 said, after all they are also humans... and at the end of the day, women are women and its easier to love them than to fight them.
One of the golden rules of mongering is that there is a fine line between being a chump and being a champ.
But we are talking about hos in general and the notion that they all live happy lives as Gabbana-clad princesses is pure propaganda that some astonishgly inept mongers choose to believe, as it apparently matches their skewed outlook on life and disturbed relation to the female species. Some of the woman-hating comments here seem more appropriate in a Sharia textbook than a forum for educated mongers. I find it equally sad that some seem to have declared war on females and hold them responsible for all the frustration they feel in their lives. Sad indeed. Get a life or get a grip is all I have to say to those.
IMHO it is a relatively simple situation. Fuck enough girls and sooner or later you will have fucked some that are losing the game or most probably, never even really had a chance to win.
Night Flight in Moscow and River Palace in Kiev are full of the mercenary-type pro. If you get the wrong one of these, you'll end up feeling worse after the sex than you did before. Get a good one AT A FAIR PRICE and you'll cherish the memories.
Napalm in the morning. Smells like victory.
"Damaged goods" pros are primarily found at the middle to low levels of prostitution and BY NO MEANS are they ALL damaged or living horrible lives. It is rare however to find one that can continue the job for any length of time without going cold or suffering a disturbed relationship to sex or relations in general.
In fact, THE SAME CAN PROBABLY BE SAID FOR MANY MONGERS.
I am by no means trying to take the high moral ground. I am a monger. I fuck women for money. I've fucked angels and devils. High-class hos and 80 IQ country girls from the port.
I've seen both ends of the spectrum and know that prostitution is a job for many, a lifestyle for some and for many others, simply a cruel fate based on economic necessity, poor career choice, abusive boyfriends or simple bad luck.
Denying the fact that many girls suffer from prostitution is silly. It is equally silly to say that all suffer... obviously many profit from it big time and go home laughing at the pathetic men that pay for the holidays, clothes, cars and presents for their real boyfriends.
I prefer my girls somewhere in between, and that's why I am generally quite choosy... often going to clubs and leaving alone because I didn't find anything I liked or any girl I got good "vibe" from.
It's all about keeping your eyes open. And if need be, wallet in hand.
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02-12-07 10:24 #2527
Posts: 2306Originally Posted by Cruiser D
The myth of the expensive EE hoe selling herself for harsh necessity is BS and nonsense. Those girls are not selling their ass for survival, they're selling it ONLY so they can buy BS status accessories (expensive mobiles phones, Prada shoes, D&G jeans, and yes, Versace dresses) and live a livestyle that would normally be out of their reach. They become expensive hoes just for the same reasons that some girls become escorts in our western countries : because the money is good, and if they can stand having sex with old fat guys, the work really isn't that hard.
Yet getting us to feel sorry for them is a big part of their scam. I personnaly would never fall for this.
Some of you "experts'" seem to forget that prostitution is all about role playing. That's live theater, that's all.
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02-12-07 07:43 #2526
Posts: 166Originally Posted by Fido Dido
Originally Posted by Fido Dido
Originally Posted by Fido Dido
Do you have any original thoughts? All your arguments are either tired straw men that collapse under their own weight, or banal fallacies.
And of course, women do want something from you in a normal relationship. They're human beings, after all, and all human beings enter relationships to satisfy their own personal needs. What exactly would be an alternative? Women who fuck men because they consider men to be their superiors and accept sex as the inevitability? Ha! Even 30,000 years ago those kind of views would get you laughed out of the cave.
Originally Posted by Fido Dido
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02-11-07 21:24 #2525
Posts: 50some info.
I will be in Kiev the begging of march, I wont to try from gia this four girls
1) lilia (blond and toll). 2) oksana (beautiful and toll). 3) yana (skinny, blond and sexy). 4) yulia (good reviews).
But the reel secret in injuying sex is the girl shad enjoy and shad be hot, can someone Tel me in their opinion the best one ?
Thanks in advents
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02-11-07 18:45 #2524
Posts: 67To The Connection
Hello Mr Connection,
I live here in Kiev. We met maybe 2-3 years ago briefly at an office.
I want to talk to you, meet with you and participte in watching / learning how you go about this. I have had enough of the agency girls and meet most of my current GF's on the internet. I want to do the street scene. Contact me. I tried to send you a PM but it does not work for some reason. send me a PM with a way to contact you, I will send you my email and phone.
Thanks
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02-11-07 18:18 #2523
Posts: 1381Woof
Fido, I always thought the myth of poor canine vision was just that but...
No one has yet to mentioned anything that you have been going on and on about. Myself, the good Doctor and 109 - who combined have probably fucked more prostitutes and women in general then you could think is possible in your dreams; are simply saying that prostitution in general and high class prostitution specifically is not all Prada phones and Versace dresses. There is a heavy emotional toll to be taken in most case. How do we the trio of whoring muskateers know this - because for the most part we are actually decent human beings who actually develop human relationships with the girls. We get to know their back story, keep in touch (sometimes REALLY in touch) and keep an active interest in what they are doing as people. And in 109's case he is such an out of control stud it's generally my job to keep the girls off him in clubs so he can move.
Now just stop going on and on about nothing and concentrate about your occasional whoring trips to Kiev when you can get away from the wife. If you continue on and on about this you Will crash and burn. If it will make you feel better we will say the real victims of prostitution are the girls and Fido Dido.
Happy?
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02-11-07 17:14 #2522
Posts: 110Is this an episode of the Oprah Winfrey Show?
Originally Posted by One O Nine
This discussion is more general then only the Ukrain.
By the way: how did you meet all these working girls? Was it in your role as worker for the Salvation Army when you were trying to rescue them?
Or were you "buying their bodies and thus leaving marks upon them"? And now your christian moral makes you feel guilty?
Prostitution is not sympatic. Prostitution is selling sex for money.
Most women I met want something back in return for sex. If it is not money then it is a relationship they want in return. A relationship that might vary from sponsorship to marriage.
I have no intention of starting whatever relationship. I also have no intention of lying neither, pretending to have a realationship and then dropping out. So for me prostitution is a good and honest solution.
Like I wrote: prostitution is not sympatic. Not symaptic for both parties.
Nevertheless, want prostitution to be as pleasant and beneficial for both parties as possible.
There is no joy in abusing a woman who is forced into prostitution for whatever reason.
But there is also no joy in being cheated by a prostitute who wants to have a maximum of money in return for a minimum of performance.
I am very suprised a discussion like this is going on at this forum.
Thought this forum was about prostitution and not about womens lib.
I am also pretty suprised the direction this discussion is heading towards.
Reminds me of the Oprah Winfrey Show.
Anyway, to me the reason is getting more and more clear why in western culture (were guys have a mentality like "One o Nine") even unfounded aquisations of sexual harresment can have far going consequences for men!
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02-11-07 13:41 #2521
Posts: 2007Its also the world's oldest profession.
Originally Posted by One O Nine
Having met the majority of prostitutes who just got started working, I can say that in the beginning, its more about helping their families than buying fancy clothes.
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02-11-07 11:35 #2520
Posts: 343It’s a small World
perhaps a reminder that we are not alone in this, and what we say, do, even think may come around to ‘bite’ us!
i was in club 44 having drinks with a very nice professional (as in career) 31 year old. it was our 2nd date. my mobile rings and i tell her its my friend rick (names changed to protect the innocent & guilty) i answer but ‘blow’ him off quickly to get back to better things! especially these nicely enhanced ‘water juggs’.
lili (name changed to protect the innocent) immediately says "i know rick, he’s american and has written me." of course, rick writes everyone i say. "he’s a sicko "wanted me to peeee on him!" replies lili.
oh no, not rick! i remark. she then insists its rick and describes his hometown and distinctive photos.
hmmm, i begin to smile & laugh to myself, its rick alright, rick2 – another guy i ‘mildly’ know – but yet have very intimate knowledge of!
yeah lili, your right he does like that! so will you oblige him?
she replied, ‘hexx no!
man, i laughed almost all night thinking just how much ‘stuff’ gets around in this town and how embarrassed rick2 would be if he happened to show up about then. i think we get somewhat ‘immune’ to this internet beast and think it is ‘static’ and not actually a living, breathing monster that can and will come around and ‘bite ya’ !!
ls guy
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02-11-07 05:49 #2519
Posts: 166Originally Posted by Fido Dido
Originally Posted by Fido Dido
Originally Posted by Fido Dido
In a divorce, everyone is a victim, to a certain degree. However in cases when the husband was an irrational mysoginistic dimwit, the wife is certainly better for it, and the more she can get out of him, the better, I say.
Originally Posted by Fido Dido
Selling one's body is not your average impersonal commercial transaction. Girls who can handle it are rare. It leaves a mark. You may not notice it every time, you may not notice it right away, not every girl will show it, but I've seen it many times. It's heartwrenching.
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02-11-07 02:54 #2518
Posts: 110Questions
Originally Posted by Cruiser D
Situation: a guy pays $US 300 for a "River Palace" girl.
Question: is the girl a victim? or is the guy just stupid?
Situation: a US-guy gets a divorce. Has to give up half of his possesions. Has to pay allimony and is only sparsesum allowed to see his children.
Question: Who is the victim? The girl or the guy?
Situation: I have met only few working girls in the Ukrain. In Kiev I did met Yana from GIA. I think she is a nymphomatic. Nothing bad with that. To me she is a nice girl. I pay her good money. I do like her. She is not stupid. Studying law. Tells me she passes all exams with good degrees. She likes luxuary. Showed me the nice and expensive clothes she is wearing. Dolce & Gabbana, Versace, Prada. She is nice and sweet. But she also is business like. No minute for nothing!
Question: you want me to feel guilty?
Answer: sorry don't feel so!
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02-11-07 01:55 #2517
Posts: 1381V V - No No...
Wrong VV.
The girls at RP are doing mostly CBJ's now too.
Prostitution - Morals. I promise, this will be my last words on the subject (for a while) You guys either have no clue as to what is really going on or you really don't want to. Whatever it takes to help you sleep at night next to your wife...
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02-10-07 20:30 #2516
Posts: 673Apartments
Cruiser,
I do not want to turn this into a real estate thread for Hedonist and others moving to Kiev, therefore I will be brief.
With modern luxury housing now going up like mushrooms most everywhere, finding quality and comfort are no longer the issues they once were. It is now just a matter of price. For older building with the so-called "Euro-remont" one bedrooms in the center expect to pay anywhere from $1500 and up, new buildings and apartments are $2000 and up. Prices are going up every day, it seems.
You won't find anything decent in the city for less unless you are local with connections. Unrenovated studios are going for $500-$750 and more depending on location.
As for location, Pechersk and Lypky are the two best in my opinion. Close enough to Khreshchatik and even River Palace but far enough away from them if you want to have a normal life as well. Podil is fine, slightly less costly and it has its own charms. Forget about the Left Bank area, just a bedroom community with nothing to do there except Hydropark in the summer.
Otherwise, if you take a map of Kiev, stick a pin on the center of Khreshchatik and draw a semicircle away from the river and a distance all around of no more than 3 miles/5 kilometers, then just about anything in that semicircle should meet all your needs.