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[Hedonist]

"Then you go on to further say that Ukrainian girls prefer Westerners to low class Turks, who engage in the occupation of selling carpets...". If that's really what you understood, I would be very sorry for you, Cruiser D. Doc talked several times how Westerners may appear weak, but you are right, probably he didn't talk about superficialness. It is my bad.

The whole time I tried to make a point while staying within limits of respect. It is amazing how some guys here can so easily start insulting others who just express their ideas.

For the record: I am not a macho. I wish I was one. I indeed just finished my 20s. The ranking was truly from Komsomolskaya Pravda. Turks are not Arabs. Calling Turks as Arabs actually shows how uninformed some of the people here are and the very same people can shamelessly call others simpletons.

This is a fruitless polemic and nobody here will change his presumptions. So this is my last post on the topic.

So your'e telling me they are ? what? european?
Dickhead is a good name for you.

[LifeSavour]

Been saving this for my 108th post.

I now know I am the the 'man'. 'cuz. I scored the tri-fecta!

MILF. 16 weeks ago. Dilf. (her daughter) last week. Bilf. (babushka/granny) yesterday. No-one can match ls guy!

So Baba Alla comes for a 2 day stay, I have drank vodka with her several times and always have gotten a 'vibe'! She is actually younger than me! God I luv ukraine!

So, we were spending the afternoon alone shopping and drinking and cooking and drinking. I finally just said "ya, want you! " (I want you) as I pointed my finger from her to me. A smile, a hug, a kiss and the rest is history!

That night at the dinner table and actually all night I was waiting for the 'shit to hit'? Alla is a good girl and she can keep a secret!

I am including 2 photos from last summer that are on the home computer, late 40's and smoking hott body! And my sons wonder why 'ol dad lives in Ukraine!

Ps. Any guys visiting Donestk and wants an older

[Explorer69]

Why not stop this stupid discussion, it has nothing to do with the purpose of ISG!

[Qjump]

Turks aren't Arabs, QJump, you stupid fuck.

So your'e telling me they are ? what? european?
Dickhead is a good name for you.

[Cruiser D]

Hedo, you did write this correct?

"If you are a "white" Turk you actually would have an edge over "Westerners" here in Kiev. Stereotypically, Ukrainian girls perceive "Westerners", especially Americans, as boring, superficial, and weak (because they are too civilized for Ukrainian girls). Both Turks and Ukrainians are not European and they tend to click quite well culturally. Same goes for Greeks and Italians. However, the Turks who crowd the River Palace are the middle eastern types (think Grand Bazaar carpet sellers) and it is clear that girls prefer "Westerners" over these types. In the final analysis, who you are and how you present yourself has much more weight than your passport, especially for girls who just look for fun."

I didn't Bez you, that is what your wrote?

Turks fun and exciting, Westerners boring and weak right?

You are completely off the mark with Ukrainian girls. Then you go on and throw a little bit more oddness into everything by lumping Turks in with Greeks, Italians and Ukrainians - who I guess aren't actually European.

Then you go on to further say that Ukrainian girls prefer Westerners to low class Turks, who engage in the occupation of selling carpets. But since your a 'white' Turk you are more like Italians and Greeks.

Did I understand all your nonsense correctly?

Oddly enough I never remember Dr S saying Western men are weak and superficial. What I got from your post is, I'm a cool macho white Turk who has it all over Westerners.

You don't have to tell us your in your early thirties Hedo - we aren't some dyevushka you need to lie to. We love you for who you are.

As far as who is rich, powerful and exciting, when I need to move to Kiev to work for a salary I will know it isn't me.

Three more reports to go. Use them wisely.

[Dickhead]

Turks aren't Arabs, QJump, you stupid fuck.

[Hedonist]

Doctor Skank has posted long time ago excellent posts on the mistakes that Western men make with Slavic women and has pointed out what the correct attitude should be. I was actually referring to the same stuff when I said Westerners are perceived weak and superficial... I guess you just don't like it when you hear it from a Turk.

Qjump: This simpleton from Turkey... Did it make you feel good insulting me? Did I ever say I've got the biggest? Cruiser D from his Avalon cafe chair was talking with his "listen to me little man" tone. My comments about nightlife and my financial details were to give him an answer. For my age, I am doing pretty well. I was not meaning to show off. Actually what I make/spend is nothing compared to what my Ukrainian friends make/spend. I was just trying to show that GDP of Turkey is irrelevant as we are talking about individuals here.

No doubt that being American, English, French, etc is opening many doors and I never claimed that Turkey is in the same league.

The ranking of marriages is from Komsomolskaya Pravda. I didn't change anything. English men were not in the list, which I think is actually a complement to them.

Cruiser D: You missed the whole point. Did you ever read a book cover to cover? It seems to me that you have serious difficulties in understanding written material. By the way, I just finished my 20's. There is a long way until my 40's...

Strange that seems the future prime minsiters daughter married an English guy and i would guess you have changed English to Turk on your ranking as there is no mention, and yes I am english and trust me for 1. Girls and 2. business, being english opens many more doors for me than a few back rooms in nightclubs, and by the way your wage? is that to show off? I have spent that on a two week holiday.
You know the right people where in clubs in Kiev? and thats good contacts?
Try telling me how many people you can contact personally in parliment then we are fishing in the same pool! Dont try to tell anyone whos got the biggest as you will loose. You have a driver? a S class merc in 2 towns? and security?
Wind your neck in.

[Cruiser D]

Bez, how do you keep finding apartments with the world's ugliest couches?

Just in case I fall uncharacteristically silent. I will be saving my 500th post for when I am in Kiev in a couple of weeks.

[Qjump]

The reason for my post is the way a simpleton from Turkey trys to tell us has it all boxed off in Ukraine when to be real he is just another Turkish man, and looked upon as such by most in Ukraine.
The majority of Ukrainian girls do not like arabic men fact.
The only girls who do are ones taking money for sex and lets be honest they like anyone with a $$$ in his pocket.

[Bez Bezarra]

my wages rank more than your wage

to show off I spent that on a holiday and contact many people in parliment

l got the biggest

you lose

have a driver S class merc in 2 towns and security

Winy.

Please move this garbage to the Prague thread where it belongs, where it is fashionable to impress everyone with your incredibly powerful status.

Or isn't she impressed?

[Hecker]

The discussion is pointless. All these dynamics of nationalities do not play any role at all for a simple reason. There are not many people of one particular nationality living in Kiev. So it does not matter if an individual Turk or English has success with women because it depends on his individual characteristics and technique and not on his nationality. Everybody has to work it out himself, you cannot rely on contacts to bring you girls because there are not many people of your nationality living in the same place as to provide you contacts. Simple as that. It is the personal ability that counts.

Of course there are people who would like to build a network of exclusivity and leave the others out of hunting. To build such closed, private clubs etc, you need more people than actually exist in Kiev as foreigners. So it remains free hunting. It is free for all. Do you have the technique? This only counts. You cannot exclude the others or freeze them out. You have to face the competition. It is competitive, not monopoly system.

I do not care if somebody is in the back room if I can enter the fron room. I do not care about high-class clubs because I know that the chances are in the middle class clubs and there nobody will deny the entrance to me. Since I am in, I will use my techniques to get every girl available. The others cannot stop me or freeze me out. They have to compete me and if they are on a higher level I will lose, if not I will win. This is competition, guys. There are no laws like in real life.
I came to Carribean and it was full of foreigners. Foreigners in the bar, foreigners dancing, foreigners watching. All had come for the girls. I entered with two girls and left with another girl. The other foreigners managed nothing with any girl despite their nationality. Simple as that. Can they beat me or get me out or spread rumors about me? No. So they will face competition. They will have to be above me. It is ruthless. Nobody is going to take care of you or compensate you for not getting any girl. You play and win or you play and lose. There are not many other foreign men of the same nationality to change the game.

[Bez Bezarra]

I am a certain breed of Turk who tends to be exceptionally successful with the devushkas.

The source for my comments are the girls I date.

I live here.

I have free entrance to top clubs in Kiev because I know the right people

I have access to backrooms you can never step in.

I make USD 200K and look quite irrelevant.

I look at statistics. Coincidence?

I don't give a shit about you Turkeys.

Just TERMINALLY boring!

[It Travel]

She came and it was nice, she wants to work in an agency and begged me on pictures... so we used the costume (waiter) and she even got it... after a night she stealed my caviar!!! The pig and then told it was the punishment for the pictures... punishment?

She got her from most of us the best reports!

Big Pig be aware!

IT

[Qjump]

Guys, if you read my posts carefully you will see that I never talked about Turkish men in general. I talked about a certain breed of Turk who tends to be exceptionally successful with the devushkas.

The source for my comments about Westerners are necessarily the girls I date. I have male Ukrainian friends. Some of them are pretty connected. I work with Ukrainians. I live here.

I don't know in which clubs you guys hang out, but I have free entrance to most top clubs in Kiev (Tsar, Barsky etc. because I now know the right people). I have access to backrooms into which many of you can never step in. Avalon is a shithole, if you are picking up your girls from Avalon, Caribbean Club, River Palace etc, we indeed are not dating the girls from the same pool.

Turkey is clearly a middle GDP country and lags behind Europe. However, a girls does not date Turkey, she dates an individual. As an individual, I make close to USD 200K net and GDP of Turkey looks quite irrelevant to my girls.

If you look at the statistics on marriages between Russians girls and foreign men you'll see following ranking: 1) Americans 2) Turks 3) Germans 4) Scandinavians (source: Komsomolskaya Pravda). Ani Lorak (one of hottest pop stars of Ukraine) is also getting married to a Turk. Coincidence?

I don't give a shit about what you think about Turkey and Turks. It is not my mission in life to promote Turkey. I tried to offer an alternative view on how Ukrainians/Russians perceive "Westerners" , but it is not well taken. So be it. Let's drop this topic and move on.

Strange that seems the future prime minsiters daughter married an English guy and i would guess you have changed English to Turk on your ranking as there is no mention, and yes I am english and trust me for 1. Girls and 2. business, being english opens many more doors for me than a few back rooms in nightclubs, and by the way your wage? is that to show off? I have spent that on a two week holiday.
You know the right people where in clubs in Kiev? and thats good contacts?
Try telling me how many people you can contact personally in parliment then we are fishing in the same pool! Dont try to tell anyone whos got the biggest as you will loose. You have a driver? a S class merc in 2 towns? and security?
Wind your neck in.

[Cruiser D]

I did read your posts - Turks exciting, Westerners boring. Did I miss something? Oh, you mean your an exceptional breed of Turk, why didn't you just say so.

You are just discovering psuedo elite clubs in your 40's how exciting for you. Been there, done that in my 20's now it's just boring. Club girls are generally a waste of time unless you find it exciting to hook up with a vapid candy w hore. I wasn't refering to Azure, I was refering to the cafe in Avalon. I was going to Caribbean before Arena, Tsar or Barsky exsisted. What can I say, I used to like 111 and Caribbean - haven't been to either in at least two years. Free access to the backroom of a club in Kiev, how exciting. Call me when you can skip the rope in NYC.

Westerners boring and weak. Turks exciting and strong. We get it.

Guys, if you read my posts carefully you will see that I never talked about Turkish men in general. I talked about a certain breed of Turk who tends to be exceptionally successful with the devushkas.

I don't know in which clubs you guys hang out, but I have free entrance to most top clubs in Kiev (Tsar, Barsky etc. because I now know the right people). I have access to backrooms into which many of you can never step in. Avalon is a shithole, if you are picking up your girls from Avalon, Caribbean Club, River Palace etc, we indeed are not dating the girls from the same pool.


I don't give a shit about what you think about Turkey and Turks. It is not my mission in life to promote Turkey. I tried to offer an alternative view on how Ukrainians/Russians perceive "Westerners" , but it is not well taken. So be it. Let's drop this topic and move on.