Kyiv

[LudaUshakova]

I am from Ukraine.

100$ per Day? I think it isn't possible.

Maybe ONE Girl for this 2 Weeks, thats can be work, but not with "girls hopping".

With a english posting in newspaper, normaly it doesn't work.

If you know the Ukrainien Page in internet, maybe there is something possible.

But only in Russian.

If you make a announce, make it 1week before you go there.

Making plan A B and C.

If you need more help, send PN.

I can help.

[Tunang0102]

Hello, I may be in Kiev next February. From what I have read so far, it seems that Rio is the best place for take out. However, becuase I don't know any Russian, I just wonder if there is a tour guide / wingman service, so I can learn what I should do in Rio to get hot girls. I know there are many good posts about this issue in the thread, but a tour guide / wingman is definitely more helpful, especially for a first time newbie like me.

[Jose Cuervo]

Here are some reliable factors:

LJ

Good review. My 5 cents:

- Look at the Reply rate at the bottom of profile screen. In general the girls who offer 4p4 tend to reply more often than normal girls. For example, let's say you see that some other factors mentioned by LilJoey Distinguish a profile as one which belongs to p4p girl. Therefore, obviously the girl gets a lot of messages with p4p offers. High Reply rate in this case is a signal that she doesn't ignore them (what most probably would do a normal girl).

- Look at the "I like" (Mne nravits'ja) section of the profile. Sometimes it is created specifically to advertise girl's interest in 4p4. For example, I saw this (exactly in that order) in one profile: I like: men, money, new friendships. All the others interests were listed after that, but there was no need to read further to understand the hint.

[YummyPL]

A lot more responses than I expected. I appreciate the insight.

I am NOT looking for someone to negotiate sex or even to provide extras. I am going to Kiev to explore a business opportunity. I want someone to help me improve my Russian skills (I know enough to muddle by but not do business) , act as a "cultural adviser" for the young adult culture there, and act as an interpreter when I speak to some business contacts when necessary. I also have some text that I want help translating.

Being introduced to other young people and anything beyond work would be a bonus but not expected. I would want to share meals and maybe go to a club together to get "cultural" advice. While this is mostly business, improving my "game" is never a bad thing.

A university student sounds great. Any idea where to post for that?

Thanks again for everything.

[Harry Hirsch]

only a dolmetscher girl?

for 100$.) , for 600-700$ per month, it is possible.

per day 50-60$, but not with agency.

how long you need it and how good she must speek englisch?

i know one girl with good company english, i think she can help you for e few days.

[YellowPaul]

Hi. I know I read about one somewhere on this thread but I have spent about 6 hours searching for it again with no luck.

I will be in Kiev in 2 weeks. I am looking for a place where I can post a job offering in English for a "legitimate" female interpreter at a reasonable rate (no more than $100 per day).

Any assistance would be appreciated.

$100 a day is entirely possible for a legitimate English interpreter such a student or out work individual looking to make spare cash. Just don't expect any "extra's" and some might offended if you want them around all day to help you negotiate sex so you might want to discuss that in advance. Make sure you negotiate has well as the going rate $15 to $25 per hour especially more for late at night so I'm assuming a 10 hour day.

I had limited success with Craigslist but with Robota I had a lot of response, so see my previous posts on that as it not easy to navigate and you need a corporate e-mail address and website to get on.

[DoctorOral]

Yes, you can. Post in university, they always look for € and are good in translation normally. 10$ per hour should be ok.

Hi. I know I read about one somewhere on this thread but I have spent about 6 hours searching for it again with no luck.

I will be in Kiev in 2 weeks. I am looking for a place where I can post a job offering in English for a "legitimate" female interpreter at a reasonable rate (no more than $100 per day).

Any assistance would be appreciated.

[Harry Hirsch]

100$ per Day? I think it isn't possible.

Maybe ONE Girl for this 2 Weeks, thats can be work, but not with "girls hopping".

With a english posting in newspaper, normaly it doesn't work.

If you know the Ukrainien Page in internet, maybe there is something possible.

But only in Russian.

If you make a announce, make it 1week before you go there.

Making plan A B and C.

If you need more help, send PN.

I can help.

[TennisMan]

Yellowpaul I was referring to women friends. I observed many females friends together drinking coffee, walking arm and arm, or just hanging out together. One is a 4 the other is a 10. They seem like best buddies. In the us in my experience with women who are great looking it seems their women friends are beautiful as well. I have had several significant others who were beautiful and not a one had an ugly close friend. Sorry for the lack of clarity. Not sure if this is true or why?

Funny thing happened tonight. Went to the Kiev opera house for a ballet performance. Went with two other friends. Had side box seats with eight chairs in a private room. Guess who sat next to my friend two Rio girls I had seen last night. Tatmilla and another girl who I didn't get her name. Had a private dance with tatmilla not even 24hrs before. She agreed to take out but I had already made plans with another girl Katerina. By the way sexy, beautiful and cultured. She looked perfect in her black dress. The performance was ok, but the night was weirdly wonderful. Kiev is small.

[YummyPL]

Hi. I know I read about one somewhere on this thread but I have spent about 6 hours searching for it again with no luck.

I will be in Kiev in 2 weeks. I am looking for a place where I can post a job offering in English for a "legitimate" female interpreter at a reasonable rate (no more than $100 per day).

Any assistance would be appreciated.

[YellowPaul]

[QUOTE=TennisMan; just some strange observations about the cultural differences between the us and Kiev. Remember just mine. Second stupid observation. In American it is rare to see a 10 with a 4 as friends, but in Ukraine seems to be normal. In the us 10s seem to want to be with other 10s and 4s with 4s. I know I'm stupid.[/QUOTE]TM.

Let's not kid our selves, people the same all over. It's natural for all women and men to attracted to the same level of attractiveness and even if you or I are attracted to women who are much more beautiful then us you definitely need a lot money or be famous and great personality or even all of these. Great thing about Ukraine and many other places economic disparity can let the average Joe from the US / Europe, etc be the "rich" guy. When you say "friends" with a 10 if your paying directly or indirectly (shopping, nice dinners, etc) your still paying. Otherwise the "friendship" ends.

[Naykan]

Hello,

Did anyone here ever take out a girl or 2 or something like that from this club? If yes what about costs and experiences.

Hi,

3 hours 300 USD.

Talk to girl before you go out about services (kissing, oral without condom.).

My experience is very positive but I don't remember her name now.

Good luck.

Naykan

[LilJoey]

I heard but cannot confirm that girls who say in their profiles "friendship" only are looking for P4P

Dear Sean,

Although undoubtedly some girls who list only "friendship" in the part of their mamba. Ru profile "I am Looking For:", may coincidentally turn out to be p4p girls, this is not a way that any significant mumber of p4p girls, constituting a trend, have specifically chosen to broadcast their p4p nature on mamba. Ru. Therefore, this is not good or useful information.

This topic has had some significant discussion earlier on this thread by myself and other posters. So any newbie that desires info about how to best operate on mamba. Ru, can simply read this thread and find out. And of course those newbies who are too fucking lazy to read the thread, will post the same question over and over again, as did the poster you responded to. But better to not respond at all, than to clutter the thread with info that isn't grounded in personal knowledge and experience.

Yes, there was a change in mamba. Ru from the situation in previous years where in the "I am Looking For:" section of their mamba. Ru profiles, p4p girls used to list openly "Sex for Money", to the current situation which began earlier this year (2012) in which mamba. Ru underwent something of a "clean up", and now the "I am Looking For:" section provides for only three possible options, namely,"Friendship, Relationship / Dating and Travel". Despite this change, it is not so difficult to find all the p4p girls you may need. Here are some reliable factors:

First of all, despite the above-mentioned mamba. Ru changes, some p4p girls and agencies with profiles on mamba. Ru still continue to insert some overt statements in their introductory remarks on their profile that indicate their interest in "intim" meetings for monetary compensation. So these profiles are obviously p4p.

Second, young girls in their teens and early 20s who list age ranges of the men they seek to meet that are far above their normal dating age range of about 10 years older than themselves, are usually projecting thereby an interest in meeting older men for sponsorship type relationship or p4p. For example, a 23 year old girl seeking to meet men up to age 50, is most likely signaling her availability for sponsorship or p4p. However, if the same girl writes she is seeking to meet men up to age 35, then she may simply be a regular girl, not p4p.

Third, girls with naked photos in their profiles, can safely be assumed to offer sponsorship or p4p, as well as that their photos are fake, and most probably it's a girl apartment or agency, and not an actual individual girl. As I've stated many times in the past, fake photos should not deter you, because, often enough, a hot girl will show up anyway. And if the girl is not satisfactory in the looks department, you can simply send her away, with taxi fare.

In general, I'm not able to tell much of great insight based upon the photos. Although some mongers on this thread have professed greater talent in this area, I regard these types of observations as hypotheses, not conclusively proved. There does not seem to be as much of the photos that are too good to be true being used lately. I have seen many profiles with attractive photos, but mixed in to the pretty photos, are one or two photos of a girl who is much plainer, fatter and less attractive. I don't know if it's a correct conclusion, but I have made the assumption that the pretty photos are the bait, and are fake, but that the photo of the less attractive girl are the real girl, who includes it, so that later she will be able to say she posted her real pictures. Some girls maintain multiple profiles. I met one girl through mamba. Ru who told me just before our meeting that the photos of the profile I was writing her on were not her true photos, and she agreed to email me her true photos. The funny thing was, I recognized her real photos as from a different profile that I had also corresponded with. Ultimately, she told me she had five profiles with fake photos, and one with true photos. She was an attractive girl and I really enjoyed sex with her, but she was not as pretty as her fake photos profiles. I suspect this approach is common for girls trying to make a living with p4p. I have asked a question to one profile, and a response has come from another profile, indicating a common person operating both profiles. I see several profiles who are "online" at the same time, and go offline at the same time. Yes, clearly there are agencies, or individual girls, operating multiple profiles at the same time. But so what?

Fourth, naturally we want to avoid sending a regular girl an overt proposition of p4p on a social website such as mamba. Ru, lest such girls complain to management, and we soon find our profiles blocked, as well as simply to avoid the indignation of such regular girls whom we might like to try to date anyway, if they are receptive. The approach most useful for determining whether a girl is interested in p4p, or not, is the sending of an innocuous "safe" message, that does not overtly suggest a p4p proposition, but allows the p4p girl to respond with her actual proposition, while simultaneously allowing you plausible deniability, if challenged by the girl.

The formula I have generally used for an initial message that works best for me, is to begin with some nice complement to the girl in the way of any man seeking or courting the favor of a woman, and to conclude the brief initial message with the invitation that "if you are interested in meeting, please send your telephone number and your conditions."

Any p4p girl will respond by telling you that her "conditions" include you paying a certain amount of money. If a girl writes back,"what sort of conditions do you mean?", you can maintain the charade by responding, any conditions for a meeting that she may require, as some girls have conditions, but that if she has no conditions, then that is great, and it would be nice to meet her when you are in Kiev, if she is interested.

The key point here is to understand that a girl who is interested in sponsorship or p4p, must necessarily say it before she goes to meet with you. The onus of bringing up the requirement of you paying her money for her time and companionship, is entirely on her. She does not want to inconvenience herself with going to a meeting with you, at your apartment or elsewhere, without it being crystal clear that you will be giving her money. Otherwise, she can end up going through all that inconvenience of going to meet you, only to find that there was a misunderstanding, and you are not prepared to give her the money she wants. Therefore, a p4p girl will necessarily need to make sure you agree to her fees. So, you can ever remain the gentleman, while giving her the easy opportunity to state what she wants. This principle holds true whether communicating with girls on a social website, or in a nightclub, that you can remain very guarded in what you say, overtly communicating your desire to be with her, but only subtly hinting that you would be interested in fulfilling any conditions she may have. This provides her with all the opening she needs to propose what she wants. This approach will save you from getting slapped in the face, both figuratively, on the mamba. Ru website, as well as literally, when speaking to a girl directly in a nightclub, when you don't yet know if she is p4p or not.

I hope this information helps you guys who have not read the thread going back two years, at least, which you should do for more useful information.

LJ

[TheAlvarez1001]

Hello,

Did anyone here ever take out a girl or 2 or something like that from this club? If yes what about costs and experiences.

[TennisMan]

Last night was great in my book. I went to RIO and was very thankful for LilJoeys many in depth reports. I arrived at eight was sat at the top of the stairs in the second area. VIP at the farthest location. Lower level you pass as you walk up the stairs. I was greeted by Andre the room manager and we quickly became friends. I slipped him 100 grivna which made him do whatever I wanted from a tour at the beginning of the whole place to interesting comments about the girls, guests, and club. Because of table location he was right next to me the entire night which was awesome for a newbie. Being from NYC and Philadelphia strip clubs this was a big upgrade because you could you have take out with out the multiple trips to the club and large sums to persuade the girl to go out after she is finished with her night. Also the quantity and quality for a Monday night was great as even girls were still coming when I left at 11. I took tatmilla and deana for private dances because I wanted to get the idea of negogiating with the girls about going back to my flat. Andre said both were available to me if I could negotiated with them. Tatmilla oh so beautiful and hot. Deana oh so hot and slutty. I would have been happy with either and knowing I would have had a great time. Rio for me was great fun and now I know exactly what to do next time. To see so many beautiful woman you could take home was amazing! Go early, make friends with manager and be better looking then the other dudes around you. The saying you want to have ugly friends is true. I was the first to arrive but the other tables were soon filled up with let's just say ugly friends. I got the feeling the girls were working me to get away from them. Also, if you go later no tables, placed in lower area and less attention. I got the feeling every girl was at play if she wanted you.

Anyway, had to leave RIO at 11 because I had prearranged for a meeting at my flat with Katerina who a fellow monger recommended! All I can say is you could not have had a better nightcap. Her body was smoking. Her attitude was pure girlfriend. Kissing from the moment she entered my flat til she left to go to Avalon to start he work day. B cups, perfect ass, and tan body. I had so much build up from RIO that I banged her really hard, but she seemed into it! Thanks fellow monger.

Just some strange observations about the cultural differences between the us and Kiev. Remember just mine. And I feel maybe they are untrue and just my stupid thinking. Ukrainian men don't seem to react to their own beautiful women like Americans do. Ukrainian men don't seem to even adjust their eyes when as a 10 walks by. But an American man will stop in his tracks, swing his head even in front of his girlfriend or wife for a 7 or greater. Second stupid observation. In American it is rare to see a 10 with a 4 as friends, but in ukraine seems to be normal. In the us 10s seem to want to be with other 10s and 4s with 4s. I know I'm stupid.

Thanks everyone on this board for you help. There is no way I could have done this trip so successfully without your help. 4:30am Kiev time peace out.