Kyiv

[Golfinho]

Last time in Ukraine for me was 2013. Already there were some bad signs. On the girl front, there were lip and boob implants, or whatever they are, botux, and changed attitude from visits going back a decade. I can't be the only one who noticed this. On the same summer trip, I went down to Odessa, and it happened to be on Ukraine Independence Day. On the edge of a big Park, there was a parade, actually it was a procession of military vehicles -- tanks and various types of similar. They went around in front of the crowd, then back behind a big central building, and came around again over and over. Maybe 20 vehicles, but it created the illusion it was an entire army. The crowd was enthusiastic, especially the kids. When it was over, the vehicles stopped, the troops got out and let the kids in -- into the tanks, into everything. They couldn't be held back and wanted to touch everything. Can't blame them, might have done the same thing at that age if given the chance, only the chance wasn't there. I watched these kids and thought what are they thinking letting them inside tanks and holding the guns like that. Well, here it is ten years' later and they get to play for real.

[HulaHoops]

I'm not a fraud. I had nothing remarkable to post or report, I simply read posts and visited different places. I am sure they are plenty of other lurkers in the forum.

We came here as we knew that foreigners were leaving Ukraine. We also assumed that it would be easier to meet women. We didn't expect Putin to invade and I don't think anyone thought he would actually go through with it.

Again, if you don't believe me that's up to you. I have no motivation to mislead or lie to others. We were assaulted. Now will every foreigner that comes to Ukraine get assaulted? Of course not.

However from what I have observed, there is more of a negative attitude towards obvious foreigners here.

Everything I am posting is just my opinion from what me and my group have experienced. I am not writing this as some authority. I am just a single monger. If someone else comes to Ukraine and doesn't agree with what I posted, that's fine. There's no argument, it is just two different sides. The more information on a place, the better in my opinion.

When the war finishes and other mongers come to Ukraine. I hope they will contribute and write about their experiences on the attitudes of Ukrainians towards foreigners.

As for me being a sleeper account created by Russian trolls. OK. As I have stated repeatedly, if you don't believe me that's fine. I have no reason to lie or mislead anyone.

[Jmsuttr]

Has also been saying the Ukrainians now hate foreigners. That is a grave concern, if we ever return.

Even during the pandemic I started feeling that people have not been as friendly as they were before the pandemic in this provincial city I was living in, which has been bombarded by now.

Ukrainians are under attack and, while the primary object of hate is Putin (plus all his supporters and enablers), it's not surprising that they might feel varying levels of anger at those countries they think could and should be doing more to help.

The "No Fly Zone" is probably the best current example. It's perfectly rational and reasonable for NATO countries to point out how the imposition of a NFZ would escalate the situation and likely make things worse. But Ukrainians who've lost loved ones and seen their towns and cities reduced to rubble aren't feeling particularly reasonable, and their responses are (understandably) coming from an emotional place, not a rational one.

Such strength of feeling is likely to last a long time for many, perhaps even generations. While there will certainly be individual, and perhaps regional, variations, it's my guess the level of anger against non-aggressors will be highest against the stronger NATO countries, such as the US, UK, Germany, etc. That's simply a function of the fact that they have more power to help and, in the minds of many (most?) Ukrainians, have failed to do so or failed to do enough.

It's impossible to predict the future, and much depends on how long the war continues, and how it ends, but the country and its people have already been permanently scarred. Which means that it will be prudent for anyone visiting Ukraine to take that into account.

[PokerLover11]

And when the full force and effect of crippling sanctions take grip upon the Russian people and their economy, so too shall Russia be a very different place.

Russia supplies the world with fertilizer for their crops they have sanctioned the US to not receive any until at least after December, the only thing that is crippling is this administration.

[DramaFree11]

And when the full force and effect of crippling sanctions take grip upon the Russian people and their economy, so too shall Russia be a very different place.

The entire world will change as the result of this. First Covid, now this ridiculous war, nobody wins.

[WyattEarp]

And when the full force and effect of crippling sanctions take grip upon the Russian people and their economy, so too shall Russia be a very different place.

Perhaps we will be able to get sex in Russia for a pair of jeans again.

[The Cane]

Who knows what the future will hold. What we know for sure is that Ukraine will be a very different place when this is over.

And when the full force and effect of crippling sanctions take grip upon the Russian people and their economy, so too shall Russia be a very different place.

[YummyPL]

Paradise does exist. I left to go to Moscow that was an amazing experience, at that tine it was pretty close to paradise. No now.

When you an others do not give accurate reports, you are doing a disservice to others. I got sick watching people getting screwed over. You know this as well as I do.

Obviously, you do not read some of your role models reports, they were claiming it was paradise even up until the end.

My role model?

I also enjoy Moscow. At least I did 5-7 years ago. But it is far from paradise. I can't imagine Moscow is improving.

Who knows what the future will hold. What we know for sure is that Ukraine will be a very different place when this is over.

[DramaFree11]

You left because some working girl made you her ***** and you can't let it go.

No one is saying Ukraine is a paradise. Monger paradises don't exist anymore.

Paradise does exist. I left to go to Moscow that was an amazing experience, at that tine it was pretty close to paradise. No now.

When you an others do not give accurate reports, you are doing a disservice to others. I got sick watching people getting screwed over. You know this as well as I do.

Obviously, you do not read some of your role models reports, they were claiming it was paradise even up until the end.

[YummyPL]

Sorry, you are wrong as usual. Lived there and done it. I left because of the corruption, somehow you guys conveniently leave this out of your reports. Kiev has not been this Paradise for a long tine and one of the most corrupt countries in the world. This is one of the reason Ukraine was having so many problems internationally.

I feel horrible for the people of Ukraine, not so much for there government. I have zero compassion for those returning to flight a loosening battle. Many of those left years ago because of corruption and better opportunities. They choose not to flight then to save there country, maybe they should have fought to save there country then. Ukraine was screwed either way, horrible situation. There will be no winners, maybe China.

Putin is definitely to blame, but everyone is mishandling this including America and Europe. The clown running Ukraine is also making everything worse, there will be nothing less. In war a tie is not a win.

You left because some working girl made you her ***** and you can't let it go.

No one is saying Ukraine is a paradise. Monger paradises don't exist anymore.

[DramaFree11]

Hater to the depths of his soul...if he had one.

I don't know when the last time you "walked down the street" during a military parade (I am doubtful that you ever have), but the Ukrainian military has changed dramatically in the last 8 years.

I have been in Moscow during the May Day parade. They put on a good show, but it is a very thin faade.

Sorry, you are wrong as usual. Lived there and done it. I left because of the corruption, somehow you guys conveniently leave this out of your reports. Kiev has not been this Paradise for a long tine and one of the most corrupt countries in the world. This is one of the reason Ukraine was having so many problems internationally.

I feel horrible for the people of Ukraine, not so much for there government. I have zero compassion for those returning to flight a loosening battle. Many of those left years ago because of corruption and better opportunities. They choose not to flight then to save there country, maybe they should have fought to save there country then. Ukraine was screwed either way, horrible situation. There will be no winners, maybe China.

Putin is definitely to blame, but everyone is mishandling this including America and Europe. The clown running Ukraine is also making everything worse, there will be nothing less. In war a tie is not a win.

[HulaHoops]

I'm not sure what to say to those who don't believe me. If you think what I'm saying is not true, then so be it.

I have no reason to falsify my reports or mislead anyone.

Once the war is over, I hope other Travelers come to Kyiv and experience the attitude of the Ukrainians towards foreigners.

[YummyPL]

Exactly, I did not want to say it. There is no way they can win, they never had a chance. I remember walking downtown and there was a military parade going. Both myself and my friend looked at each other and said, I hope this is not there military. Unfortunately, it was and they are getting destroyed, but as usually the media is lying, causing more unnecessary deaths.

Hater to the depths of his soul...if he had one.

I don't know when the last time you "walked down the street" during a military parade (I am doubtful that you ever have), but the Ukrainian military has changed dramatically in the last 8 years.

I have been in Moscow during the May Day parade. They put on a good show, but it is a very thin faade.

[YummyPL]

We are deciding whether to stay or move to Poland for a bit. At least to Lviv and then the border. What a terrible trip and idea to come.

<Cough> <cough> , bullshit.

While I left Kyiv just days before the invasion (my employer pulled me out against my wishes) so don't have first had reports now, I am in daily contact with dozens of people on the ground. Things are bleak, but certain contributors are just making shit up.

[Reiner Otto]

The last time I heard from her on March 2, she was still in Kyiv. Now I can no longer contact her.

She might try to go to Bulgaria, via Romania. Quite some few Ukrainians already here.

In case, Burgas (BG) the destination, I might be of help.