Kyiv

[RomanyStar]

The report of distinction area is the FAQ.

The map is a definitive newbies guide to Kiev. Too Funny. .

The ROD area on ISG is historical, A FAQ is maintained current information. It requires a commitment on the FAQ owner / moderators part. The best FAQ's are a community effort. A good one is worth it's weight in gold for someone new to the subject matter.

As for the map being a newbie guide, what else would you expect it to be? I prepared it from the info I gleaned from the forum. I also asked for help a couple times. I thank those that chose to contribute, and wonder why others are guarding their information so jealously.

I hope someone takes it on who will make it on the same level as the FKK maps that are out there. I can't do that with five nights experience, but some of you sure could turn this into a useful tool that in itself would answer a huge number of the newbie questions.

[Ronaldinjo]

Sent SMS and made phone calls for the traditional afternoon shag, until I was called back by a Mamba girl: pretty do-able, judging from the photos, although not really my type (initially I had called for her girlfriend whom I found much more attractive, but that one was currently abroad). Well, I thought, we shall see.

Of course, she was late, and of course, it was not the girl on the pictures. As I came down to meet her I first saw her back, as she had missed my entrance and kept walking in the street, so I ran after her, thinking, this is not the girl on the picture, clearly the body does not match, but this one seems smoking hot! Delicious tan (from some Moroccan blood, I would learn later) perfect waist to hip ratio (I mean PERFECT) , limber curves. Miam, miam! Let us just hope that the face will be nice as well! And then she turned, and the world just froze. I raised my eyebrows and stared at her stupidly. It was not a downgrade. It was not an upgrade. It was a miracle. Soft face, nice lips, perfect eyebrows, and most of all, the most beautiful, tenebrious dark eyes I have seen in Ukraine. So fucking dark, so fucking soft, like the endless sleep of death. Oh my god. My look then came down from her face to her breast, which I could easily admire in this outrageous dress of hers. I nearly choked. It was just too fucking good to be true! To complete the picture, I should also mention the fact she wears no make up. She doesn't need to. A pure natural beauty, and a girl you will necessarily wish to have in your bed. Unless you are gay. And even so.

As for the intercourse, well, it was a bit strange, due to the fact that I was mesmerised, so I would just forget what I was here for. =) Having said that, it was not the shag of the century, covered BJ, DATY strictly prohibited and hardly any FK at all; still it was a good shag, as she was involved and I could feel her vagina contracting, and it was rather passionate. Maybe she just don't like to be licked, after all. (My, is that conceivable.) I intend to see her again if I can, experience shows that repeated meetings will get you better service from one time to the next, provided there is a good connection in the first place. And I look forward to finding out how far I can go with that one, because she is just too damn beautiful!

Hello, Insomniate, can you help me in finding of this morrocan girl in Kiev? What is her name in mamba? Could you bring a link?

[Cruiser D]

You have to take strippers, escorts, porn stars for who they are but still of course treat them like human beings who just made some really bad life decisions. Things are going to end badly 99% of the time you attempt a serious relationship with them.

Semi pros deserve a little more lee way but never let them treat you like a chump. One of my favorite Russian sayings is 'that is not normal'. When the girls step out of line I call them on it every time and they step right back. They appreciate the daddy discpline, it shows someone actually cares about them. Win-Win.

No repeat policy stems from a BAD mistake 30 years ago. I did a rescue on a high end LA call girl that led to a ten year relationship. The divorce and subsequent therapy makes that the MOST expensive pussy I've ever dreamed about. Even though sorely tempted in Kiev I will NEVER see a p4p again within the year, and also why I shy away from "freebies". I'm not buying anybody another house, or splitting what remains of my retirement. Hourly works best for me.

[Cruiser D]

I've posted more information in less than 5% of the words you used than you have in a year in the last week.

Like I said. Rio is a stripclub, some of the girls are good looking. You can hire some of them for sex. That basically sums up your contribution.

I'm not fighting with anyone. I'm just calling most of your postings a waste of pixels, which they are.

You have posted no action reports and have not recently contributed anything of value. Why don't you stop trying to fight with others and be more constructive. Sorry if I'm not bowing before your highnesses, but the emperor hath no clothes.

LJ

[Cruiser D]

Diplomats are the way they are because they generally want something from someone.

I mean can't you & Ukeboy adopt the Style of a very good diplomat, when he tells you to Go to Hell, and actually makes you look Forward to It.

Keep them coming, your Posts.

[LilJoey]

Our flights and hotel are now set. We are coming to Kiev for 4 nights mid April, and staying in a suite and 2 regular rooms at the Hyatt. We will do as you have suggested; wish there were a site with verifiable photos as so much to choose from and we are trying to maximize fun and ease.

I responded to you via PM regarding using a website to choose girls. I assume you mean to try out the girls in advance of your batchelor party, when you wrote you'll do as I suggested. Now you've given the time for your trip as mid-April. I hope you were mindful of the prior posts to avoid the Easter holiday period. What are your exact dates of travel?

[LilJoey]

Hi Joey. Planning to fly to Kiev in the beggining of may for 2-3 days. I know the summer is not the best time for Kiev as a lot of hotties travel to the seas, but what about April-may? If there are a lot of students there as you mentioned so they are going to be in study vaccations. Does somebody know when the studies end in Kiev this year? Suppose earlier then last year because of euro 2012. Joey, you have been there last April, did you mention some abcence of hotties in that period of time?

Last year I don't think I detected any noticeable lack of p4p girls after the Easter holiday, so the "holiday" effect should not persist after the holiday ends this year too. However, you have alluded to the effect changes in the university schedules this year because of Euro 2012. This is an unknown, although there was some posting on it earlier in the thread. I suppose you could try to ask or find out about the university schedule more in detail and make inferences based on what you find out. We will just have to wait and see. If you already have booked the trip, I'm sure you will still be able to have a nice time even if some girls have left town.

[RomanyStar]

hey romany, thanks for the detailed reports, not everyone does this after mining the forum for advice.

glad you had a great time, although i think you made things difficult for yourself with your "no repeats" policy. the roi goes up dramatically when you don't incur the work and risks of finding a new pussy every time. but to each his own!

how much was the gia girl? if you say "same as montreal" i assume that is $200-$250 per hour? but it sounds like you got a real gfe from her and probably more than one hours time?

glad you enjoyed the travelogue. i've used isg for years, but for the first time felt like i had a number of questions i could not dig out of the forum (in a reasonable amount of time). my small payback may be appreciated by a few, and i hope that one of you is willing to do the faq.

actually, since the gia girls were each $300/2hrs it makes them a little cheaper than montreal. i usually pay $180-200 / hr in montreal with no discount until three hours. i always do at least two hours to build a rapport, for the experience i'm looking for it works better to have a half hour of talk, then to slowly move into the touch, kiss phase rather than meeting them at the door nude and peeling them down on the spot. this is the closest two people ever get, treating them like a friend, an equal, and a lover makes it a lot more pleasurable for me in the long run.

no repeat policy stems from a bad mistake 30 years ago. i did a rescue on a high end la call girl that led to a ten year relationship. the divorce and subsequent therapy makes that the most expensive pussy i've ever dreamed about. even though sorely tempted in kiev i will never see a p4p again within the year, and also why i shy away from "freebies". i'm not buying anybody another house, or splitting what remains of my retirement. hourly works best for me.

one more flight to get home. kiev is fortunately too far from home for me to even consider returning. beautiful women all over the place. a couple out of my small sample were absolutely awesome in bed. beautiful city, great food. totally understand why those that stay or return are there, but not again for me.

[LilJoey]

Why even bother replying when you haven't been there? You are neither experienced in Chisinau or apparently Kiev. What is the sound of one hand clapping? Little Joey as he types a post on ISG.

You talking about Rio endlessly is about as interesting as you doing a cost comparison about the value menu at the McDonalds on Khreshatic, which I'm sure is probably next.

Just so there is no confusion about why the experienced members of the board react the way we do to you posts. Everything about your posts screams, I don't have a clue and apparently you are willing to write very long disjointed essays to that effect.

Please stop, it's extremely tedious. You can take girls out of Rio for sex, some are okay looking. We get it. Stop.

The board didn't jump back to life because you posted your 100th dissertation on Rio. It came roaring back to life because I started posting and some other senior members joined me. People that actually have something to say other than I went to Rio (Buddha Bar, GIA) , my apartment, Arena to eat and then back to the airport.

Cruiser Dave, I have read the small snippets of comments you have posted since you recently began posting and detect nothing of value to anyone contributed by you. You have posted no action reports or current intel. The Kiev thread has not "come roaring back to life" because you started posting except in your own mind, but such a line does clearly expose how self important you feel. And this in turn explains why you persist in trying to mischaracterize my posts as being only about Rio, which is false. I have written about all of Kiev's p4p options. Anyone who has read my prior posts knows that I have reported on all aspects of Kiev's p4p, and I have experimented with all of it, and that I know what I am writing about. Further I supply valid factual reasons for any recommendation I make which are sufficient explanation for my conclusions, without going into delusional conspiracy theories. If you wish to dispute a recommendation or conclusion I have made, do so on a factual basis. Otherwise, your ad hominem attacks on me are useless rubbish.

You have posted no action reports and have not recently contributed anything of value. Why don't you stop trying to fight with others and be more constructive. Sorry if I'm not bowing before your highnesses, but the emperor hath no clothes.

LJ

[Prosal]

And what about posters walking into a Strip Club or a Bar I. And nailing a stunner in record time & For Free.

Nothing extraordinary with that. There's many opportunities with strippers in FSU, as long as you treat them nicely and have some "game". Jake993 and Passepartout said it better in the Russia forum, these girls are treated like piece of meat night after nignt and are often not looking for money as much as they are looking for a little personal attention, empathy and respect. As a side note, many of them are completely normal people outside of work.

By the way having a stripper as a regular "fuck-buddy" is a very good position in that even if you go to a non-pro disco or have a date with a non-pro and say don't get any that night, you always have your stripper to fall back on at 5am. My first freebie stripper experience was in Chisinau, with a nice and rather hot girl 21 yo working in Bacardi Club. She would get off of work at 5am, SMSed to see if I was available or still awake, and if I was, would go to my apartment, down one beer or two, talk a bit, have sex, sleep till noon, sex again, and then leave. No questions asked and no materialistic expectations, save a few cocktails sometimes at 7 pm before her work. Talk about a nice situation. I then had the same kind of experience in Tashkent and other places in FSU.

Talking about Tashkent, in case of someone here is interested by comparisons (it seems that many guys here SHOULD expand their horizons), there is strip bar there named FM bar, a drinking hole and a strip club under the same roof. Usually, there are 25 - 30 girls and not very many guys. Most of the girls are rather hot (by my standarts), and all ethnicities are represented - it's Uzbekistan, the most ethnically various country in FSU. It's as close to a striptease club that you can get in Tashkent, which means: the girls don't get totally naked, but stay in lingerie (with a few dancing exceptions). Usually, they'll come to your table and ask you whether you want a lapdance or a massage. The lapdance is a normal lapdance, and after it's done you're expected to hand a tip to the girl. Usually 3000 Soum (1€) will do, but if you really enjoyed the dance 4000 soums is better. The massage is a neck and shoulder massage. Some of the girls are also really good at that. The price is the same as for the lapdance and usually, lapdance and massage last for the duration of one song.

The drinks are humanly priced with the ladies drinks going for the rate same as the customer’s: a long neck beer is 1€ and a vodka shot even cheaper. Girls don't drink expensive silly champagne cocktails but are perfectly happy with beer, and occasionally by a hookah or some chocolate bonbons if they want to stay longer at your table (no fee), which often happen if you're nice with them. At those prices, I am rather generous and usually ordered anything they asked for so I had permanently two or three girls at my table. And as every other strip club of the region, if you hit it off with one of the girls, you can quite easily date her for a lunch or a drink the next day and strike up a freebie relationship.

[Gentleman Travel]

Ten hours of glorious sleep later it was time to make the most of my last day in Kiev. While laying there I felt a strong urge for someone fun, and NOW. Call it lazy, call it wasting money, call me a shill if you want. I called Gia again. It worked so well last time that with just 24 hours left in Kiev I wanted one more absolutely guaranteed hotty.

Polina showed up within 45 minutes. Dressed in very classic business attire, this tall, sort of innocent looking girl with a gorgeous smile looked WAY to good to be true. The coolest part is she was giving me an amazing passionate kiss seconds after walking through the door. She proved to be a total Energizer Bunny. Site says she is 29, I didn't believe it, but she insists. On the pencil thin side, but I finally got to cum watching that amazing ass slap up against me. We got along like a couple long lost friends. Love it when you run across a pro that enjoys what she's doing, and makes you crazy in the process. Those that say Gia is overpriced, may be right, but based on a worldwide market I say they offer damn good value for the money. Prices are well below top quality US agencies, and exactly the same as in Montreal. When an agency goes two for two at the quality of who they sent me I call it top notch.

I'm interested in quality p4p rather than freebies. Already have a couple of emails from the Mamba girl that spent the night. The expectations that come along with messing with someone's head like that amount to karmic debt I'd the rather not mess with. Remember this was intended, and probably is my only visit to Kiev.

Hey Romany, thanks for the detailed reports, not everyone does this after mining the forum for advice.

Glad you had a great time, although I think you made things difficult for yourself with your "no repeats" policy. The ROI goes up dramatically when you don't incur the work and risks of finding a new pussy every time. But to each his own!

How much was the GIA girl? If you say "same as Montreal" I assume that is $200-$250 per hour? But it sounds like you got a real GFE from her and probably more than one hours time?

[Cruiser D]

Maybe, if there was I'd probably do it. .

There's a great business opportunity for someone who could be a "Mr. Wolf" who can make all the arrangements for a wild party with minimal angst. If anyone knows of a person who does this, please let me know!

[Jojosun]

I don't know who posted this. The quoting is a little messed up.

Girls like that are a dime a dozen in most major cities. You guys need to get out more.

If you are paying more than $300 for a girl like that in NYC you are either too lazy to look or there are other issues. Which of course explains the Rio-GIA-Buddha Bar triangle.

Now we are not talking Pies in the Sky or a Mermaid called Wanda, but the above girls looks in LJ's first post.

[/QUOTE]The quoting about the NYC prices in relation to London's Amelia & Gloria, was made by Liljoey in his first report.

As for NYC, I had a blast at the infamous Plato's Retreat swingers Club, just before it closed.

It only cost me the few dollars entrance fee. That's what I call a freebie.

Another freebie in NYC that I truly remember pulling, was in Tavern on The Green.

Sadly closed as well. But I am still going strong and more than 20+ years older, with a strong preference for P4P with 18/24 Tanned Blondes, don't mind them being Bimbos either.

Call me a Pervert.

[Jojosun]

Why even bother replying when you haven't been there? You are neither experienced in Chisinau or apparently Kiev. What is the sound of one hand clapping? Little Joey as he types a post on ISG.

You talking about Rio endlessly is about as interesting as you doing a cost comparison about the value menu at the McDonalds on Khreshatic, which I'm sure is probably next.

Just so there is no confusion about why the experienced members of the board react the way we do to you posts. Everything about your posts screams, I don't have a clue and apparently you are willing to write very long disjointed essays to that effect.

Please stop, it's extremely tedious. You can take girls out of Rio for sex, some are okay looking. We get it. Stop.

The board didn't jump back to life because you posted your 100th dissertation on Rio. It came roaring back to life because I started posting and some other senior members joined me. People that actually have something to say other than I went to Rio (Buddha Bar, GIA) , my apartment, Arena to eat and then back to the airport.

It stuck in my mind the first time I asked Old UkeBoy about the Meaning of Salons in Kiev, never heard it before. His swift reply (Read Borat 69 reports & do exactly as he says, or do you want us to change your Nappies for you?).

To this I replied (No need to be so Huffy mate, I have my own Baby sitter.).

I mean can't you & Ukeboy adopt the Style of a very good diplomat, when he tells you to Go to Hell, and actually makes you look Forward to It.

Its not what you say sometimes, its the way it is said.

BTW, wasn't lecturing anyone here. Just my thought for the day.

Keep them coming, your Posts.

[Ronaldinjo]

Hi Joey. Planning to fly to Kiev in the beggining of may for 2-3 days. I know the summer is not the best time for Kiev as a lot of hotties travel to the seas, but what about April-may? If there are a lot of students there as you mentioned so they are going to be in study vaccations. Does somebody know when the studies end in Kiev this year? Suppose earlier then last year because of euro 2012. Joey, you have been there last April, did you mention some abcence of hotties in that period of time?